General & Others Next Strawhat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet

[JoSeungHun7335]

This is the very definition of a strawman. You ask me a question, then answer it yourself with the most extreme answer possible, and then say I have cognitive dissonance for answering that way. I would actually give Carrot stowing away a 50-50 shot. It could happen, and I hope it does, but I'm not banking on it and I think Yamato is joining either way. Once again, all you have done is avoid posting your "evidence". Just be honest, you don't have any. We keep asking to see it and you never post it.

he doesn’t even answer my question: why Carrot needs to stow away again if she’s indeed the next Straw Hat? No Straw Hat has done stowing away twice, then what’s the need to stow away, again? Why doesn’t she invite herself to join or Luffy finally accepts her in the crew? And there he goes, asked another question to you (and answering it himself) while completely ignoring my question. And he says that pro-Yamato stans have been ignoring his empty points.

I also clearly remember the first time he joined WG, he said he had been formulating points which favoring Carrot joining and against Yamato joining. He said it should’ve been done in a day or two, yet until now we don’t see anything. Or maybe I missed something? But IIRC I don’t miss anything. I can remember all he said was: wait.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Yamato may or may not join, but I know Carrot never will.

 

[Finalbeta]

Yamato may or may not join, but I know Carrot never will.

I think it depends on whether or not she feels satisfied with the Big Mom Pirates state or she feels Pedro was yet not avenged enough. Oda would not have allowed her to join for a while if not for avenging him coz it would not have made sense for her to just stick around for a while and return home without a precise goal.

 

[dizzy2341]

A straw hat's role on the ship is linked to the core of their character. It's not just something Oda slaps on for them to join like their colour or number. Their role on the crew guides everything else about them. Their personality, backstory, dreams, fighting style. It all links back to their profession and what they bring to the group and Luffy.

Franky's backstory taught him to take pride in his creations and love them no matter what. He fights using his flamboyant weapons on his self engineered cyborg body. He dreams of creating and riding on a wonder ship that can overcome anything. To top it all off, he himself is one of the most extravagant and unashamedly "super" characters Oda's created.

Brook's backstory put him through the depths of loneliness and how the only thing that kept him going was the music of his crew's final performance and the joy he had with them on their journey. He fights using song themed attacks, actual music and his soul. He dreams of returning to his old friend and delivering their crew's final performance. His personality is that of an ever joyous clown who you'll find constantly making jokes about his own misfortune, whenever he's not singing or playing his favourite song.

You can breakdown each and every straw hat like this. Their role is intrinsic to who they are. Not just another item on the "to be a straw hat" checklist.

The only role that has the same congruence to it for Yamao would be if she were a guardian. But that role of course makes no sense on the SH crew, yet makes all the sense as Momo's retainer. Meanwhile the lookout role for Carrot could very nicely link together her personality, potential dream and fighting style. It would also be easy to craft a backstory around the idea of wonder. That's if you're excluding the possibility of a present time "backstory" where she got to explore "wonderland" but also experienced its horrors.

 

[thedarkdragon11]

Meanwhile the lookout role for Carrot could very nicely link together her personality, potential dream and fighting style. It would also be easy to craft a backstory around the idea of wonder. That's if you're excluding the possibility of a present time "backstory" where she got to explore "wonderland" but also experienced its horrors.

If any, she fits into this crew:

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[Sigran101]

A straw hat's role on the ship is linked to the core of their character. It's not just something Oda slaps on for them to join like their colour or number. Their role on the crew guides everything else about them. Their personality, backstory, dreams, fighting style. It all links back to their profession and what they bring to the group and Luffy.

Franky's backstory taught him to take pride in his creations and love them no matter what. He fights using his flamboyant weapons on his self engineered cyborg body. He dreams of creating and riding on a wonder ship that can overcome anything. To top it all off, he himself is one of the most extravagant and unashamedly "super" characters Oda's created.

Brook's backstory put him through the depths of loneliness and how the only thing that kept him going was the music of his crew's final performance and the joy he had with them on their journey. He fights using song themed attacks, actual music and his soul. He dreams of returning to his old friend and delivering their crew's final performance. His personality is that of an ever joyous clown who you'll find constantly making jokes about his own misfortune, whenever he's not singing or playing his favourite song.

You can breakdown each and every straw hat like this. Their role is intrinsic to who they are. Not just another item on the "to be a straw hat" checklist.

The only role that has the same congruence to it for Yamao would be if she were a guardian. But that role of course makes no sense on the SH crew, yet makes all the sense as Momo's retainer. Meanwhile the lookout role for Carrot could very nicely link together her personality, potential dream and fighting style. It would also be easy to craft a backstory around the idea of wonder. That's if you're excluding the possibility of a present time "backstory" where she got to explore "wonderland" but also experienced its horrors.

If Carrot met a single other thing on the strawhat checklist you wouldn't be claiming this was so important. Every strawhat has also had a tragic backstory, an arc centered on them, and a personal villain defeated by Luffy. These 3 things along with the role have a 100% track record. Carrot has 1 of them and Yamato has 3. Which is more likely, that Perospero comes back, becomes the main villain of the arc, and is defeated by Luffy, Carrot gets a tragic backstory that defines her character which we somehow didn't know about, and the next story arc centers around Carrot, or is it more likely that Yamato's role simply isn't made clear until she joins just like Robin and Jinbei? Carrot fans shouldn't be using the "checklist" as an argument, because she has a lot more empty boxes than Yamato.

 

[Logiko]

This is the very definition of a strawman. You ask me a question, then answer it yourself with the most extreme answer possible, and then say I have cognitive dissonance for answering that way. I would actually give Carrot stowing away a 50-50 shot. It could happen, and I hope it does, but I'm not banking on it and I think Yamato is joining either way. Once again, all you have done is avoid posting your "evidence". Just be honest, you don't have any. We keep asking to see it and you never post it.

As I thought your only answer is "maybe".

You don't know what a strawman is obviously.. I showed you even the 50/50 answer here.

Only 50/50, is not a good answer and even then it surpass all Yamato's chances. The evidence are not around 50 / 50 but 90/10 and you know it. Here are the reasons :

- Carrot has been depicted like a kid in the fairyfest, therefore the probability that she would - on her own will - choose to quit the fest are close to none.
- The mink have been depicted to stowaway. The first stowaway of Nekomamushi and Inu is a reminder of Carrot's one. The thing is, there is a SECOND stowaway of nekomamushi and Inu. Implying a running gag and a second stowaway for Carrot.
- Perospero's sentence specifically aimed the fact that Carrot took the see, an author does not let villain say those thing without being proven wrong.
- There is no reason for an author to depict a character having that much fun, only to never pay off that characterization. From a storytelling standpoint it would be a very bad move.

You want evidences, here you have them. We are not at 50/50.. We are with an HIGH chance for Carrot to go back to the Sunny.
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he doesn’t even answer my question: why Carrot needs to stow away again if she’s indeed the next Straw Hat? No Straw Hat has done stowing away twice, then what’s the need to stow away, again? Why doesn’t she invite herself to join or Luffy finally accepts her in the crew? And there he goes, asked another question to you (and answering it himself) while completely ignoring my question. And he says that pro-Yamato stans have been ignoring his empty points.

I also clearly remember the first time he joined WG, he said he had been formulating points which favoring Carrot joining and against Yamato joining. He said it should’ve been done in a day or two, yet until now we don’t see anything. Or maybe I missed something? But IIRC I don’t miss anything. I can remember all he said was: wait.

Why does she need to stowaway ? At this point of the story, no character would be just invited by the strawhat to come on the sunny. Unless a miracle. So why would she need to stowaway ? Because that how she is constructed as a character. Carrot takes what she wants, she does not "ask". Plus it's just the continuation of the running gag.

Yeah.. I postponed my post on Yamato. I have other busisess on my end for now
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Carrot is unimpressive as a lookout as well:

I could be wrong but I bet Carrot would have be just fine here without Sanji
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Currently, both are on the same condition role-wise. It’s never been confirmed in the story, Vivre Card data book, nor SBS that Carrot has an impressive feat as a lookout; especially it’s never been confirmed if Carrot has excellent eyesight. Lookout would have been a speculation of the role possibility, if Carrot joined. Seeing things afar with binoculars is not an impressive feat. Almost everybody can do it. Usopp as the official sharpshooter, has better eyesight; and Robin can sprout her limbs almost anywhere she wishes. If lookout is Carrot’s supposed role, Viola should be the lookout instead because Viola can see 4000 kms away. Even Viola worked under Doflamingo’s influence, which fits the pattern.

and if Carrot is indeed an impressive lookout, the story should revolve around her feat being used by the supposedly main villain; but unfortunately it’s never gone that way. Yamato on the other hand, was forced by the main villain (Kaido) to do Kaido’s own bidding; which is to be the shogun and protector of Wano, and Yamato clearly rejected that idea.

Wrong. When a character is drawn to a post more than 40 and the other has not even been introduced with a capacity for a post you can't say that "both are on the same condition role-wise"

It HAS been confirmed in the story that Carrot is a great look-out. You are really showing bad faith here.

 

[Rootbeer]

- The mink have been depicted to stowaway. The first stowaway of Nekomamushi and Inu is a reminder of Carrot's one. The thing is, there is a SECOND stowaway of nekomamushi and Inu. Implying a running gag and a second stowaway for Carrot.

I guess Carrot will become Yamato's scabbard then..

 

[thedarkdragon11]

I could be wrong but I bet Carrot would have be just fine here without Sanji

Point still stands... A good lookout would see someone as huge as that genie before it can go that close... Carrot failed... Without Sanji, Sunny would've been badly damaged, all because of Carrot's incompetence as a lookout...

I have other busisess on my end for now

What a lame excuse...

We are with an HIGH chance for Carrot to go back to the Sunny.

High chance? It's a bad writing, a good writer won't do that... Because how many times did the SHs got unnoticed intruders lately? With FS and whatnot, they can't still protect the ship against intruders? Also, your reasons of Carrot sneaking again means that Caribou will sneak as well...

It HAS been confirmed in the story that Carrot is a great look-out. You are really showing bad faith here.

Good lookout? She's a trash lookout... Not a New World standard...

 

[Logiko]

Point still stands... A good lookout would see someone as huge as that genie before it can go that close... Carrot failed... Without Sanji, Sunny would've been badly damaged, all because of Carrot's incompetence as a lookout...

INah, Carrot would have been fine and the Sunny okay, don't underestimate Carrot bro, remember the poll, you don't want to get surprised again by her do you ?

High chance? It's a bad writing, a good writer won't do that... Because how many times did the SHs got unnoticed intruders lately? With FS and whatnot, they can't still protect the ship against intruders? Also, your reasons of Carrot sneaking again means that Caribou will sneak as well...

Wrong, it would be good writing as it is part of the running gag. Don't get revenge on Oda because your expectations are not fullfilled.

Good lookout? She's a trash lookout... Not a New World standard...

Wrong
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I guess Carrot will become Yamato's scabbard then..

U funny.

Oh! I found a job for Yamato on the ship: Apprentice

See, I can be funny too.

 

[Queek Hea D Taker]

Carrot?

 

[thedarkdragon11]

INah, Carrot would have been fine and the Sunny okay, don't underestimate Carrot bro, remember the poll, you don't want to get surprised again by her do you ?

How are you sure she'd be fine? Especially, when she's not even at 100%...

Wrong, it would be good writing as it is part of the running gag. Don't get revenge on Oda because your expectations are not fullfilled.

You call that a running gag FFS? It's a bad writing I'm telling you... Try asking it to neutral fans with a Literature degree if you want to...

Wrong

Explain... When she failed detecting Daifuku's genie, very basic...

Look at the recruits:

• Zoro never failed with his swordplay skills
• Nami never failed with her navigation/drawing skills
• Usopp never failed with his sniping skills
• Sanji never failed with his cooking skills
• Chopper never failed with his medical skills
• Robin never failed with her historical/Poneglyph reading skills
• Franky never failed with his ship maintenance/engineering skills
• Brook never failed with his music skills
• Jinbe never failed with his helm skills

They're gold standards... Carrot's substandard...

 

[Rootbeer]

U funny.

Oh! I found a job for Yamato on the ship: Apprentice

See, I can be funny too.

Neko and Inu followed Oden, not Roger..
Going by Carrot '' speudo '' mentor she won't join the Pirate King's crew and will go find the remaining Poneglyphs..

I'm funny, you're furry..

 

[thedarkdragon11]

Going by Carrot '' speudo '' mentor she won't join the Pirate King's crew and will go find the remaining Poneglyphs..

Using his logic, she will follow Pedro... Where's Pedro now?

 

[Rootbeer]

Using his logic, she will follow Pedro... Where's Pedro now?

Ohh that be even better..:cheers:

 

[Sigran101]

As I thought your only answer is "maybe".

You don't know what a strawman is obviously.. I showed you even the 50/50 answer here.

Only 50/50, is not a good answer and even then it surpass all Yamato's chances. The evidence are not around 50 / 50 but 90/10 and you know it. Here are the reasons :

- Carrot has been depicted like a kid in the fairyfest, therefore the probability that she would - on her own will - choose to quit the fest are close to none.
- The mink have been depicted to stowaway. The first stowaway of Nekomamushi and Inu is a reminder of Carrot's one. The thing is, there is a SECOND stowaway of nekomamushi and Inu. Implying a running gag and a second stowaway for Carrot.
- Perospero's sentence specifically aimed the fact that Carrot took the see, an author does not let villain say those thing without being proven wrong.
- There is no reason for an author to depict a character having that much fun, only to never pay off that characterization. From a storytelling standpoint it would be a very bad move.

You want evidences, here you have them. We are not at 50/50.. We are with an HIGH chance for Carrot to go back to the Sunny.
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Why does she need to stowaway ? At this point of the story, no character would be just invited by the strawhat to come on the sunny. Unless a miracle. So why would she need to stowaway ? Because that how she is constructed as a character. Carrot takes what she wants, she does not "ask". Plus it's just the continuation of the running gag.

Yeah.. I postponed my post on Yamato. I have other busisess on my end for now
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I could be wrong but I bet Carrot would have be just fine here without Sanji
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Wrong. When a character is drawn to a post more than 40 and the other has not even been introduced with a capacity for a post you can't say that "both are on the same condition role-wise"

It HAS been confirmed in the story that Carrot is a great look-out. You are really showing bad faith here.

1. Assuming my answer and then critisizing me for it is a strawman.

2. "Don't say maybe" isn't an argument.

3. Your 90/10 is still a maybe

4. 90/10 is just your opinion unless you can point me to where Oda says there's a 90% chance Carrot will stow away again.

5. I don't see your points as very convincing, especially since she already stowed away once.

6. I wish you would stop implying that I'm biased against Carrot. What I want is for her to join the crew alongside Yamato. I believe Yamato will join either way and that Carrot stowing away does not decrease Yamato's chances. If you were right and she stows away again, it would be my ideal scenario. I just don't see it as likely.

 

[Logiko]

1. Assuming my answer and then critisizing me for it is a strawman.

2. "Don't say maybe" isn't an argument.

3. Your 90/10 is still a maybe

4. 90/10 is just your opinion unless you can point me to where Oda says there's a 90% chance Carrot will stow away again.

5. I don't see your points as very convincing, especially since she already stowed away once.

6. I wish you would stop implying that I'm biased against Carrot. What I want is for her to join the crew alongside Yamato. I believe Yamato will join either way and that Carrot stowing away does not decrease Yamato's chances. If you were right and she stows away again, it would be my ideal scenario. I just don't see it as likely.

1. I'm not criticizing your response, I'm only saying that this is the only possible answer as none of you want to let the hype of Yamato go.

2. wut ?

3. 90/10 is not a maybe. It is close to a high probability. It is almost a certainty.

4. Everything is an opinion, starting from people thoughts about Yamato. But they are opinion stronger than others when meet with actual storytelling data.

5. It only reenforce the possibility that she could do it again.

6. You are biaised against Carrot. You ignored my argument and you are ignoring this last one. And yes it might hurt you in some way but people who ignores the chances of Carrot just because of the Yamato hype ARE biaised. Carrot is BY FAR ahead of Yamato in term of probabilities.

- Post
- interaction with the crew
- Relationship with Luffy
- Usefullness in regards of her post

Carrot is in FRONT of Yamato in ALL these area. Denying that is just ignoring the story and being BIAISED.

For the rest:

- Oppressor
- Omnipresence

Those are not requierment for a strawhat, they are a requierement for a "character arc". That what Yamato is right now, nothing else.
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Neko and Inu followed Oden, not Roger..
Going by Carrot '' speudo '' mentor she won't join the Pirate King's crew and will go find the remaining Poneglyphs..

I'm funny, you're furry..

Carrot has never been depicted as a captain. It is therefore very unlikely that she takes the sea on her own
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How are you sure she'd be fine? Especially, when she's not even at 100%...

I just do. How can you be sure she won't be fine ?

You call that a running gag FFS? It's a bad writing I'm telling you... Try asking it to neutral fans with a Literature degree if you want to...

No that just the escuse you have if your own headcannon does not become a reality, there is no bad writing in making Carrot stowaway again. And I will fight you to the death on that one.

Explain... When she failed detecting Daifuku's genie, very basic...

Who said that she failed to see him ? You are making wrong assumptions here.

 

[Queek Hea D Taker]

Wano Panel Time (1030)

Spoiler

1. Monkey D. Luffy - 1279 (+1)
2. Roronoa Zoro - 724 (+1)
3. Kaido - 672 (+1)
4. Kin'emon - 617 (+14)
5. Sanji - 472 (+1)
6. Kozuki Momonosuke - 455 (+1)
7. O-Kiku - 454 (+3)
8. Kozuki Oden - 450
9. Nami - 404 (+8)
10. Kawamatsu - 378 (+1)
11. Charlotte Linlin - 371 (+11)
12. O-Tama - 352 (+5)
13. Queen - 348 (+1)
14. Yamato - 327 (+5)
15. Trafalgar D. Water Law - 320 (+10)
16. Raizo - 296
17. Nico Robin - 293 (+1)
18. Denjiro - 284
19. Usopp - 283 (+12)
20. Franky - 282
21. Tony Tony Chopper - 281
22. Shinobu - 279
23. Ashura Douji - 275
24. Kurozumi Orochi - 273 (+2)
25. Inuarashi - 268
26. Hyogoro - 265
27. Kurozumi Kanjuro - 261 (+7)
28. Kozuki Hiyori - 251
29. Eustass Kid - 230 (+8)
30. Napoleon - 229 (+7)
31. Nekomamushi - 217
32. Brook - 190 (+2)
33. Basil Hawkins - 180
34. Komachiyo - 178 (+4)
35. Killer - 164
36. Jinbe - 150
37. Ulti - 150
38. Marco - 149 (+1)
39. King - 144 (+1)
40. Shimotsuki Yasuie - 129
41. O-Toko - 120
42. Izo - 115 (+1)
43. Sasaki - 115
44. Black Maria - 115
45. Page One - 114
46. X Drake - 106 (+3)
47. Onimaru - 102
48. Who's Who - 102
49. Zeus - 102
50. Kozuki Toki - 96

RUNNER-UPS:

51) Gol D. Roger - 95

52) Jack - 94

53) Carrot - 92

54) Prometheus - 87 (+8)

55) Scratchmen Apoo - 84 (+3)

56) Thousand Sunny - 80

57) O-Tsuru - 73

58) Gama Pyonnosuke - 73

59) Edward Newgate - 72

60) Speed - 68 (+5)

Carrot is not a side character...

 

[Logiko]

Wano Panel Time (1030)

Spoiler

1. Monkey D. Luffy - 1279 (+1)
2. Roronoa Zoro - 724 (+1)
3. Kaido - 672 (+1)
4. Kin'emon - 617 (+14)
5. Sanji - 472 (+1)
6. Kozuki Momonosuke - 455 (+1)
7. O-Kiku - 454 (+3)
8. Kozuki Oden - 450
9. Nami - 404 (+8)
10. Kawamatsu - 378 (+1)
11. Charlotte Linlin - 371 (+11)
12. O-Tama - 352 (+5)
13. Queen - 348 (+1)
14. Yamato - 327 (+5)
15. Trafalgar D. Water Law - 320 (+10)
16. Raizo - 296
17. Nico Robin - 293 (+1)
18. Denjiro - 284
19. Usopp - 283 (+12)
20. Franky - 282
21. Tony Tony Chopper - 281
22. Shinobu - 279
23. Ashura Douji - 275
24. Kurozumi Orochi - 273 (+2)
25. Inuarashi - 268
26. Hyogoro - 265
27. Kurozumi Kanjuro - 261 (+7)
28. Kozuki Hiyori - 251
29. Eustass Kid - 230 (+8)
30. Napoleon - 229 (+7)
31. Nekomamushi - 217
32. Brook - 190 (+2)
33. Basil Hawkins - 180
34. Komachiyo - 178 (+4)
35. Killer - 164
36. Jinbe - 150
37. Ulti - 150
38. Marco - 149 (+1)
39. King - 144 (+1)
40. Shimotsuki Yasuie - 129
41. O-Toko - 120
42. Izo - 115 (+1)
43. Sasaki - 115
44. Black Maria - 115
45. Page One - 114
46. X Drake - 106 (+3)
47. Onimaru - 102
48. Who's Who - 102
49. Zeus - 102
50. Kozuki Toki - 96

RUNNER-UPS:

51) Gol D. Roger - 95

52) Jack - 94

53) Carrot - 92

54) Prometheus - 87 (+8)

55) Scratchmen Apoo - 84 (+3)

56) Thousand Sunny - 80

57) O-Tsuru - 73

58) Gama Pyonnosuke - 73

59) Edward Newgate - 72

60) Speed - 68 (+5)

Carrot is not a side character...

She is a side character in Wano.

 

[Queek Hea D Taker]

She is a side character in Wano.

Totally normal for the next Nakama

Again...

- Carrot doesn't need her own arc (co-protagonist)
- Carrot doesn't need a tragic past
- Carrot doesn't need the main villain of the arc be defeated by Luffy

Carrot doesn't need to have the same pattern that all the others StrawHats have... It doesn't matter that in the longest arc Oda has ever released, she's just a background character...

Carrot has already accomplished her dream, we only need an ending, she will probably do something with Sulong before Wano ends to finish the character.

Or we need to expect to fight against BlackBeard Pirates, WG(Marines), Shanks?, etc always in night time, with clear weather and only when the Full Moon is available? Or will Chopper create Rumble balls for her? Female Chopper?