General & Others Next Strawhat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet

[Sasparan]

It's true, Vivi had a great chemistry with them, but there was once thing Vivi never possessed and that Carrot have. It's the POST value. Whenever Vivi was pictured, Oda was careful not to include her into the life of the ship.

For that reason, Vivi was with the crew but never truly a part of them.

Remember Vivi was always distant concerning the shenanigans of the crew, she was always on the passive end of the spectrum, the one who watches but does not participate.

Carrot is completely the opposite, not only did she took part plainly to the crew Shenanigan. I have to remind you that Oda took TIME showing this multiple time:

But.. she ALSO get the POST value. Carrot wether people like it or not, has played the role as the LOOK-OUT of the strawhats.

This is something Vivi NEVER achieved. A post on the crew.

Haha yes Oda add her to the jokes thats a good sign but you are forgetting one thing maybe Vivi didnt joined shenanigans but she has gag moments with the crew too (like hitting Monster Trio with a stick and beating Usopp in Drum Island).

Nami,Robin or some Strawhats arent joining the shenanigans too Vivi usually interracted with Nami like Carrot interracted with Chopper.

Carrot has good chemistry but Oda needs to show that Carrot wants to be in the crew and i hope Post Onigashima is gonna do it. Look at Yamato she says she will join to crew thats what Carrot needs to show.

Lastly you reminded me how good WCI was i am gonna reread when i find the chance.

 

[Logiko]

Haha yes Oda add her to the jokes thats a good sign but you are forgetting one thing maybe Vivi didnt joined shenanigans but she has gag moments with the crew too (like hitting Monster Trio with a stick and beating Usopp in Drum Island).

Nami,Robin or some Strawhats arent joining the shenanigans too Vivi usually interracted with Nami like Carrot interracted with Chopper.

Carrot has good chemistry but Oda needs to show that Carrot wants to be in the crew and i hope Post Onigashima is gonna do it. Look at Yamato she says she will join to crew thats what Carrot needs to show.

Lastly you reminded me how good WCI was i am gonna reread when i find the chance.

Right about Vivi, but even then, she was still a bit distant.

I think for now, Carrot does not really care about "the crew".. of course she loves them and everything but not to this point. What she really like is adventure and wonders. That what drives her. That's why I think her character arc will revolve around that theme.. after Wano. Oda might find a way for her to understand her real place as part of the crew of the futur king of the pirate.

In a way this would be an initiatic Journey but from the point of view of a young girl. And I think that's exactly what need the end of the story : to get back to its root.

Yamato seeks adventure of course, but I think she seeks more the idea of adventure more than the adventure itself. I have explained it there that the conversation of Yamato is most likely a red hearing.

Yamato is like the little kid who is sure that adventure is out there, without noticing that there is plenty of adventure exactly where they stand.

Remember: Yamato did not ASK Luffy ("would you take me on an adventure?") she AFFIRMED that Luffy would take her "I assumed by proper logic that as Ace's brother, you should take me on your ship". The way oda turned that sentence should be a red flag to anyone who is used to read stories.

Things won't turn the way Yamato thinks.

 

[Sasparan]

Right about Vivi, but even then, she was still a bit distant.

Vivi is not distant she is not used for gags like Carrot but she interracted them regularly.

I think for now, Carrot does not really care about "the crew".. of course she loves them and everything but not to this point. What she really like is adventure and wonders. That what drives her. That's why I think her character arc will revolve around that theme.. after Wano. Oda might find a way for her to understand her real place as part of the crew of the futur king of the pirate.

In a way this would be an initiatic Journey but from the point of view of a young girl. And I think that's exactly what need the end of the story : to get back to its root.

I get your point you think maybe she will ask Luffy to join because she likes adventure. I actually agree with you if Oda develops Carrot in that regard Post Onigashima then yes she will join. But if he develops her and makes her a real candidate.

Yamato seeks adventure of course, but I think she seeks more the idea of adventure more than the adventure itself. I have explained it there that the conversation of Yamato is most likely a red hearing.

I am saying Yamato is not red herring. Why you may ask the reason is in order for someone to be red herring the ''red herring'' needs to distract the audiance while the real candidate is developing behind ''red herring''. But this is not Carrot is doing she is a background character in Wano.

Yamato is like the little kid who is sure that adventure is out there, without noticing that there is plenty of adventure exactly where they stand.

Yamato wants to be like Oden travelling the world meeting with other people. Its too cramped Odens words not mine.

Remember: Yamato did not ASK Luffy ("would you take me on an adventure?") she AFFIRMED that Luffy would take her "I assumed by proper logic that as Ace's brother, you should take me on your ship". The way oda turned that sentence should be a red flag to anyone who is used to read stories.

Things won't turn the way Yamato thinks.

Robin also said i am one of your crew. Yamato is naive story says that. I think we will enter a phase somewhere in Wano where she drops this Oden persona and i think Luffy asking her to join the crew.

Of course there could be twists twists are good. Maybe Oda will do something different with her joining but i think she is joining.

Lastly its 2 am for me i have to sleep. Well i had a great time arguing with you guys good night.

 

[Staticshadic]

Right about Vivi, but even then, she was still a bit distant.

I think for now, Carrot does not really care about "the crew".. of course she loves them and everything but not to this point. What she really like is adventure and wonders. That what drives her. That's why I think her character arc will revolve around that theme.. after Wano. Oda might find a way for her to understand her real place as part of the crew of the futur king of the pirate.

In a way this would be an initiatic Journey but from the point of view of a young girl. And I think that's exactly what need the end of the story : to get back to its root.

Yamato seeks adventure of course, but I think she seeks more the idea of adventure more than the adventure itself. I have explained it there that the conversation of Yamato is most likely a red hearing.

Yamato is like the little kid who is sure that adventure is out there, without noticing that there is plenty of adventure exactly where they stand.

Remember: Yamato did not ASK Luffy ("would you take me on an adventure?") she AFFIRMED that Luffy would take her "I assumed by proper logic that as Ace's brother, you should take me on your ship". The way oda turned that sentence should be a red flag to anyone who is used to read stories.

Things won't turn the way Yamato thinks.

OKay you're sort of making light of yamato's backstory. The girl has been a prison under her father's organization and his rule for about 28 years. Not allowed live her life the way she wants to live. Yamato seeking adventure is more like confined child curious what the outside of world is like. Do you remember when Yamato ask Ace about the upcoming rookies? During the conversation she mention the explosive cuffs once she gets them off, she will go out to sea. Even when seeing Franky's robot, she was stunned she never seen something like this before. Reading stories about oden's adventure and all things he has been throughout his life is kind like how Luffy was when he was a kid. Carrot reason for leaving zou doesn't have a lot of Merit to it. In other words, she doesn't have trouble past, or any personal conflict hindered her progress in her own life. Yes, Jack had arrived and hurt her own people. However, the minks were already willing putting their lives at risk to save their friend. So, there wasn't really any personal conflicted emotions between there good intentions. The resolution of jack defeat was dog storm defeated him instead one of the strawhats. On top that the flashback didn't center around her as a character. Let's not forget Pedro's sacrifice pushing the other characters forward along. Yes, Pedro talks about dawn. However, Carrot has never brought this up to the reader what he spoke of. Yamato on other hand has talk about it and she is aware of it she wants to play part in it. The question is what trauma does carrot have now? There no hints or any dialogue for future backstory. All the enemies’ that have personally effect her have already been dealt with by other characters that are non strawhats so there isn't any motivation to continue further her on journey with them. In addition she doesn't have a story centric arc that really center around her as a character. Yamato had spoke about the dawn, she has trouble past, she has main boss that has hindered her progress in life, and ever since act 3 started it has center around momo and Yamato as a characters. Once Kaido defeated she has more reason to set sail with them on there journey.

 

[Outlaw]

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[Sigran101]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1453196252108099590

Yamato already has a nearly bullet proof case. We don't need to grasp at straws.

 

[Ravagerblade]

Yamato already has a nearly bullet proof case. We don't need to grasp at straws.

Well our case isn't found wanting like some other mentionables.
I know we dish on them Carrot fans and their crazy idea's but I really just don't see Carrot joining the crew. The setup and payoff between the two characters is light years apart, Surely they have to understand Objectively?

 

[thedarkdragon11]

Is Yamato gonna be the last strawhat or are there gonna be more.
Thinking about this while drinking tea. #TeaTime

I believe there's one more joining... Just not sure how that person fits very late (as in last minute late) in the story unless it's an old character... But one distinguishing feature of a New World recruit is stalemating Ace... There's only 2 old characters I can think of: Smoker and Aokiji...

But there's nothing that will relate either with Usopp and Franky nor to the Merry/Sunny...

I feel like what we have here is mostly people who forgot the story and the impact Carrot had on it.

What impact? :yasu:

Another connection I would have liked to have seen happen when associated with the 4 SH per sea theory, at least when referring to the New World, is that each new recruit would be a former accociate of one of the 4 Emperors.

For example;
Jinbe (Big Mom)
Yamato (Kaido)
TBA (Shanks)
TBA (Blackbeard)

But again, I’m not completely sure that we’ll even have time for this.

As I mentioned above, if we connect this pattern then Aokiji will for BB...

 

[Jew D. Boy]

Remember Oda never draw for nothing. Those panels are important.

All right, I have to agree with you here, I actually did find something relevant in this one when I zoomed in on Carrot…

 

[JoSeungHun7335]

What should be in Carrot fans mind is this: the specific Straw Hat usually joins AFTER the battle / the threat is being dealt with, after their main arc. And usually, before they join, before the battle starts any Straw Hat will usually invite them, or they invite themselves and finally accepted by Luffy when they’re in resting period / there is no threat available.

We all know Wano hasn’t come to an end, but we know that WCI arc is done. Back then, Nami invited Chopper to the crew before the fight with Wapol starts, then Chopper joins after the battle is finished. It could happen to Carrot, but turned out it didn’t. Even Nami & Chopper, the ones who are closest to Carrot, never specifically mentioned anything to invite her into the crew, post WCI & prior Wano. Carrot also never invited herself to the crew. That should be the time where Carrot is supposed to join, but she didn’t join. Heck even with the argument that “her main villain hasn’t been dealt with so she couldn’t join”, it’s so obvious that her main villains were defeated by non SHs. Tragically, no SH appeared in neither Jack nor Perospero’s vicinity to witness the supposedly Carrot’s main villains to be defeated. No Straw Hats have their main villain being dealt with by non Straw Hat / possible Straw Hat.

And another thing is if Carrot is the last Straw Hat, what’s the point of postponing the toast to welcome the completed crew? Keep in mind that Oda intentionally puts Wanda together with Carrot even since Jinbe was about to appear. That means that Wanda will never get her sight out of Carrot again, which also means that Wanda and the rest of the minks will make Carrot stay, so there won’t be another Pedro case.

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The last thing that gives me hope for 4 per sea is color theory. As expected, Yamato's color changed to fit the crew, and now it's the orange that everyone thought was Ace, meaning that the navy blue everyone thought was Sabo could very easily be Law instead, and the last one left is Carrot's lime green. I was predicting Yamato, Law, and Carrot all joining for a long time, and now the colors match up perfectly. Still leaning toward just Yamato, but we'll see.

I personally don’t think it’s navy blue, as the color wheel was also made up anyway. The color wheel wasn’t from me too, and if the color theory turns out to be true, the ones left are shade of purple and shade of green. Jinbe’s color is ochre, which actually is shade of yellow, and ochre actually doesn’t belong in the color wheel; and if we want to follow the color wheel, Pink shouldn’t be on the color wheel too, but Magenta is. Chopper’s color is pink not magenta. The color wheel scheme was just for making things easier to grasp the color theory. NGL I still want Monet to fill the green shade, but I don’t want to discuss Monet here as it looks silly enough.

 

[TEACH D TEACH]

@CarrotForNakama why do you WRITE some words in ALL caps? Pretty random ONES too

 

[Sasparan]

I believe there's one more joining... Just not sure how that person fits very late (as in last minute late) in the story unless it's an old character... But one distinguishing feature of a New World recruit is stalemating Ace... There's only 2 old characters I can think of: Smoker and Aokiji...

But there's nothing that will relate either with Usopp and Franky nor to the Merry/Sunny...

Actually Jinbe's joining parallels Zoro and Choppers like calling monsters and getting tied when Luffy meets them and Yamato is looking like the same from Nami and Robin like there is a bad force trying to use them.

Thats why i am thinking maybe 3 more crewmates but like the story is entering the end there is just no time. Also Aokiji and Smoker doesnt work because the reason you said in below and they are characters with their own motives. I just dont see them joining.

But one distinguishing feature of a New World recruit is stalemating Ace...

LMAO This is perfect. :cantseeme:
Everyone is stalemating Ace.

 

[thedarkdragon11]

Everyone is stalemating Ace.

Jinbe and Yamato did...

 

[Logiko]

OKay you're sort of making light of yamato's backstory. The girl has been a prison under her father's organization and his rule for about 28 years. Not allowed live her life the way she wants to live. Yamato seeking adventure is more like confined child curious what the outside of world is like. Do you remember when Yamato ask Ace about the upcoming rookies? During the conversation she mention the explosive cuffs once she gets them off, she will go out to sea. Even when seeing Franky's robot, she was stunned she never seen something like this before. Reading stories about oden's adventure and all things he has been throughout his life is kind like how Luffy was when he was a kid. Carrot reason for leaving zou doesn't have a lot of Merit to it. In other words, she doesn't have trouble past, or any personal conflict hindered her progress in her own life. Yes, Jack had arrived and hurt her own people. However, the minks were already willing putting their lives at risk to save their friend. So, there wasn't really any personal conflicted emotions between there good intentions. The resolution of jack defeat was dog storm defeated him instead one of the strawhats. On top that the flashback didn't center around her as a character. Let's not forget Pedro's sacrifice pushing the other characters forward along. Yes, Pedro talks about dawn. However, Carrot has never brought this up to the reader what he spoke of. Yamato on other hand has talk about it and she is aware of it she wants to play part in it. The question is what trauma does carrot have now? There no hints or any dialogue for future backstory. All the enemies’ that have personally effect her have already been dealt with by other characters that are non strawhats so there isn't any motivation to continue further her on journey with them. In addition she doesn't have a story centric arc that really center around her as a character. Yamato had spoke about the dawn, she has trouble past, she has main boss that has hindered her progress in life, and ever since act 3 started it has center around momo and Yamato as a characters. Once Kaido defeated she has more reason to set sail with them on there journey.

No, Yamato is not curious about the world, she wants to see what she has heared about. Again, Yamato is looking not at the adventure in front of her, but the one she is dreaming about.

Carrot reason to leave zou is legitimate. She has never seen the world, never ever eard about what the sea was our thunder, or land. Carrot has all the reason to seek wonders.

Having a trouble past does not matter, Carrot is having a trouble present, that's more than enough and more than a few strawhat leaved. I'm not saying that Yamato's past doesn't count, it's just different. What's Carrot trauma you ask ? Seeing her mentor blow up before her eye. I think that this is enough of a trauma for one person don't you think ?

Yamato is an arc character, not a future recruit.

@CarrotForNakama why do you WRITE some words in ALL caps? Pretty random ONES too

To make you understand BETTER my child

All right, I have to agree with you here, I actually did find something relevant in this one when I zoomed in on Carrot…

Typical toxicity, bring something new to the table or go away.

Vivi is not distant she is not used for gags like Carrot but she interracted them regularly.

I get your point you think maybe she will ask Luffy to join because she likes adventure. I actually agree with you if Oda develops Carrot in that regard Post Onigashima then yes she will join. But if he develops her and makes her a real candidate.

Carrot is already a real candidate.

I am saying Yamato is not red herring. Why you may ask the reason is in order for someone to be red herring the ''red herring'' needs to distract the audiance while the real candidate is developing behind ''red herring''. But this is not Carrot is doing she is a background character in Wano.

The principle of a red hearing is that the other option must be very subtle. Yamato is therefore the perfect decoy for Carrot.

Yamato wants to be like Oden travelling the world meeting with other people. Its too cramped Odens words not mine.

That's Oden word not Yamato, the only reason Yamato want to see the world is because of the impact Oden had on her and the journal.

Robin also said i am one of your crew. Yamato is naive story says that. I think we will enter a phase somewhere in Wano where she drops this Oden persona and i think Luffy asking her to join the crew.

There is no evidence that Luffy would just stop and ask Yamato to join the crew. Pplus Robin imposed herself with a good reason, Yamato did not, she just said "you SHOULD pick me by logic"

What should be in Carrot fans mind is this: the specific Straw Hat usually joins AFTER the battle / the threat is being dealt with, after their main arc. And usually, before they join, before the battle starts any Straw Hat will usually invite them, or they invite themselves and finally accepted by Luffy when they’re in resting period / there is no threat available.

That has already been done, it's chapter 823 when Luffy accept Carrot in the crew. It happens that a strawhat is only officialized LATER. (This was the case for the girls on the crew)

The only thing Carrot need is to sneak back on the ship and it's game over... well game won in that case.

And another thing is if Carrot is the last Straw Hat, what’s the point of postponing the toast to welcome the completed crew? Keep in mind that Oda intentionally puts Wanda together with Carrot even since Jinbe was about to appear. That means that Wanda will never get her sight out of Carrot again, which also means that Wanda and the rest of the minks will make Carrot stay, so there won’t be another Pedro case.

At the moment of the meating with Jinbe Carrot was put with the strawhats, not Wanda.

 

[JoSeungHun7335]

That has already been done, it's chapter 823 when Luffy accept Carrot in the crew. It happens that a strawhat is only officialized LATER. (This was the case for the girls on the crew)

The only thing Carrot need is to sneak back on the ship and it's game over... well game won in that case.



At the moment of the meating with Jinbe Carrot was put with the strawhats, not Wanda.

Luffy never said anything about “welcome to the CREW”. Luffy said “well you’re on board. Can you fend for yourself in a fight?” And Luffy said that after Pedro asked to turn the ship back, and Carrot sadly pleaded to be included in Sanji retrieval because she’s afraid Wanda will be mad at her. It’s like Luffy indirectly said “well you’re already here by the way. I can’t make you go back to Zou. At least don’t be a burden for us.” Welcoming her to the crew and welcoming her on board totally have different meaning. When Carrot says “please take me with you!” she specifically said it to Pedro. Even Pedro himself thought Carrot as a “bother to our saviors”.

you also missed the point where I said that each Straw Hat joins AFTER the fight of their own arc is over. The resting time, where is usually the perfect time for them to join. Your example of chapter 823 totally missed my point, because it happens BEFORE the fight; which is sad for someone who multiple times claiming himself as an analyst and belittling others. If you want to give proper evidence, give the evidence where Luffy acknowledges Carrot as a Straw Hat AFTER WCI, which you think as Carrot’s “shining time”, in which Luffy has never acknowledged her; even Nami & Chopper who are closest to her also never considers her a Straw Hat, not even once they invited her even after her supposedly “shining moment” in WCI.

And that’s why Oda decided to postpone the toast after Jinbe came to Onigashima, because that’s the real evidence that Oda himself never consider Carrot a Straw Hat. And isn’t it so sad that she needs to sneak up again instead of inviting herself or being invited? If she is definitely the next Straw Hat, what’s the point of sneaking up again? Why Luffy doesn’t officially accepts her, that she needs to sneak up again? Your sneak up argument is definitely killing your own argument. Talk about being an analyst.

Wanda is on the very far right of the panel if you really are a good analyst. Pretty ironic if you say that Carrot should be the look out and she has good eyesight, while her fan definitely can’t see that Wanda was also present on Sunny when Jinbe arrived. Wanda on the panel, gives more evidence with my counter argument for you above especially your chapter 823 argument.

 

[Queek Hea D Taker]

Again...

- Carrot doesn't need her own arc (co-protagonist)
- Carrot doesn't need a tragic past
- Carrot doesn't need the main villain of the arc be defeated by Luffy

Carrot doesn't need to have the same pattern that all the others StrawHats have... It doesn't matter that in the longest arc Oda has ever released, she's just a background character...

Carrot has already accomplished her dream, we only need an ending, she will probably do something with Sulong before Wano ends to finish the character.

Or we need to expect to fight against BlackBeard Pirates, WG(Marines), Shanks?, etc always in night time, with clear weather and only when the Full Moon is available? Or will Chopper create Rumble balls for her? Female Chopper?

 

[Sasparan]

Carrot is already a real candidate.

Carrot is not a real candidate because she didnt showed any passion to be in the crew. Carrot is not a candidate because she is like a side character now do you remember any strawhat getting this sidelined in their joining arc. Thats why i am telling you if it happens it Post Onigashima then she is joining if not then goodbye Carrot.

The principle of a red hearing is that the other option must be very subtle. Yamato is therefore the perfect decoy for Carrot.

There is no storyline with Carrot. Right now Carrot has nothing to do. I am telling you Yamato is not red herring because Yamato has her own storyline with the Strawhats what does Carrot has right now? In order Yamato to be decoy Carrot has to develop under the decoy while decoy is distracting us. This is not the case.

That's Oden word not Yamato, the only reason Yamato want to see the world is because of the impact Oden had on her and the journal.

Yamato saw how good the world is from Oden's journal like you said but Yamato wants adventure like Carrot. Your point makes sense as much as saying Carrot should be in Wano because there is enough adventure for her in Wano. Like your point doesnt makes sense because its the same for Carrot too.

There is no evidence that Luffy would just stop and ask Yamato to join the crew. Pplus Robin imposed herself with a good reason, Yamato did not, she just said "you SHOULD pick me by logic"

As i said the same its her character arc. End of the arc where things will be obvious but from what i have seen Oda is developing her while he isnt even giving a storyline for the other candidate.

 

[JoSeungHun7335]

Again...

- Carrot doesn't need her own arc (co-protagonist)
- Carrot doesn't need a tragic past
- Carrot doesn't need the main villain of the arc be defeated by Luffy

Carrot doesn't need to have the same pattern that all the others StrawHats have... It doesn't matter that in the longest arc Oda has ever released, she's just a background character...

Carrot has already accomplished her dream, we only need an ending, she will probably do something with Sulong before Wano ends to finish the character.

Or we need to expect to fight against BlackBeard Pirates, WG(Marines), Shanks?, etc always in night time, with clear weather and only when the Full Moon is available? Or will Chopper create Rumble balls for her? Female Chopper?

I can sense that Carrot fans can’t take the sarcasm…

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Carrot is not a real candidate because she didnt showed any passion to be in the crew. Carrot is not a candidate because she is like a side character now do you remember any strawhat getting this sidelined in their joining arc. Thats why i am telling you if it happens it Post Onigashima then she is joining if not then goodbye Carrot.

There is no storyline with Carrot. Right now Carrot has nothing to do. I am telling you Yamato is not red herring because Yamato has her own storyline with the Strawhats what does Carrot has right now? In order Yamato to be decoy Carrot has to develop under the decoy while decoy is distracting us. This is not the case.

Yamato saw how good the world is from Oden's journal like you said but Yamato wants adventure like Carrot. Your point makes sense as much as saying Carrot should be in Wano because there is enough adventure for her in Wano. Like your point doesnt makes sense because its the same for Carrot too.

As i said the same its her character arc. End of the arc where things will be obvious but from what i have seen Oda is developing her while he isnt even giving a storyline for the other candidate.

like I said, his logic goes like:
Carrot: the sea is a wonderland! (mentioned it once only, never specifically said anything joining the crew)
His mind: that’s it! Carrot is leaving specifically with Straw Hats!

Yamato: I want to set sail with Luffy and get stronger! (More than 3 times)
His mind: no! Yamato is red herring! She’s staying especially since her DF is Wano’s guardian deity! (While we all know who mentions the guardian deity thing is the main villain of the arc)

at this point it’s useless to argue with real proofs and evidences. He will counter the real evidences with his mental gymnastics logical fallacies.

 

[Rushwheel]

What is color theory?
I heard about devil fruits or Alphabets but not colors.

Some tinfoil shit, apparently. All I know if there is no color confirmed by Oda in sbs, it's being picked freely by merchandise developer, depends on what fits in a current character line up and what color isn't taken yet. Like Law still has no color, so he's having grey, yellow, gold, silver, black, midnight blue colors back and forth throughout the years. When there is no Usopp yellow color is usually his lol

 

[TEACH D TEACH]

To make you understand BETTER my child

But you dont do it right father (or mother?)