General & Others Next Strawhat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet

[dizzy2341]

I mean Usopp being a marksman has nothing to do with his backstory or his dream. It has something to do with his fighting style because he is marksman but being a brave warrior of the sea has nothing to do with being a marksman.

And Usopp's backstory is like 2 pages his mother's dying. I dont see how it has to do with all the things you have listed.

Usopp's the sniper. His backstory has his dying mother telling him to become someone brave and strong just like his father who was a legendary sniper. Sniping is infamously regarded as a coward's job. Fighting from long distance and hiding from physical confrontation. But just like the role he's taken up, Usopp's character arc is to prove his worth and that he truly is a brave warrior of the seas. A figure he recognises in his alternate persona sogeking. He's a compulsive liar, but this personality trait was revealed to actually be him trying to manifest things into reality. Which is why most of his lies are boasts, psyching himself up to become a true brave warrior.

@CarrotForNakama has talked about this at length before. Just like Franky's role and character revolves around the virtue of pride, and Brook's around the virtue joy, Usopp's is centred around bravery. Carrot's would be wonder.

 

[Rootbeer]

If a shitty character named after a vegetable ends up joining the Strawhats, then One Piece would really slowly be going down the drain seriously..

 

[Sasparan]

Usopp's the sniper. His backstory has his dying mother telling him to become someone brave and strong just like his father who was a legendary sniper.

Yes, but Usopp wanting to becoming brave has nothing to do with him being marksman. Usopp wants to be like his father a brave man but he didnt choose being a marksman because of that.

Sniping is infamously regarded as a coward's job. Fighting from long distance and hiding from physical confrontation. But just like the role he's taken up, Usopp's character arc is to prove his worth and that he truly is a brave warrior of the seas. A figure he recognises in his alternate persona sogeking. He's a compulsive liar, but this personality trait was revealed to actually be him trying to manifest things into reality. Which is why most of his lies are boasts, psyching himself up to become a true brave warrior.

Well written, i mostly agree with this but if there is a thing that i disagree is this. Like i dont remember anyone saying that and Usopp's father is a Sniper too. The man Usopp sees as a brave warrior of the sea.

@CarrotForNakama has talked about this at length before. Just like Franky's role and character revolves around the virtue of pride, and Brook's around the virtue joy, Usopp's is centred around bravery. Carrot's would be wonder.

Yes, CarrotForNakama makes good points when i talk him too. I just dont think that the stuff you are talking about is what Oda is going for. Like we never saw the wonder aspect of her that much not even in her little flashback.

My issue with Carrot is that Oda doesnt seem to follow the normal strawhat recruitment. Like Oda doesnt even makes her connected to the plot or giving her a real backstory. She has no focus on her right now and Oda needs to do much work before he actually makes them enter the crew.

But i am waiting for that never coming development. Lets hope that she and Yamato both joins the crew. :cheers:

 

[Finalbeta]

Wano Panel Time (1030)

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1. Monkey D. Luffy - 1279 (+1)
2. Roronoa Zoro - 724 (+1)
3. Kaido - 672 (+1)
4. Kin'emon - 617 (+14)
5. Sanji - 472 (+1)
6. Kozuki Momonosuke - 455 (+1)
7. O-Kiku - 454 (+3)
8. Kozuki Oden - 450
9. Nami - 404 (+8)
10. Kawamatsu - 378 (+1)
11. Charlotte Linlin - 371 (+11)
12. O-Tama - 352 (+5)
13. Queen - 348 (+1)
14. Yamato - 327 (+5)
15. Trafalgar D. Water Law - 320 (+10)
16. Raizo - 296
17. Nico Robin - 293 (+1)
18. Denjiro - 284
19. Usopp - 283 (+12)
20. Franky - 282
21. Tony Tony Chopper - 281
22. Shinobu - 279
23. Ashura Douji - 275
24. Kurozumi Orochi - 273 (+2)
25. Inuarashi - 268
26. Hyogoro - 265
27. Kurozumi Kanjuro - 261 (+7)
28. Kozuki Hiyori - 251
29. Eustass Kid - 230 (+8)
30. Napoleon - 229 (+7)
31. Nekomamushi - 217
32. Brook - 190 (+2)
33. Basil Hawkins - 180
34. Komachiyo - 178 (+4)
35. Killer - 164
36. Jinbe - 150
37. Ulti - 150
38. Marco - 149 (+1)
39. King - 144 (+1)
40. Shimotsuki Yasuie - 129
41. O-Toko - 120
42. Izo - 115 (+1)
43. Sasaki - 115
44. Black Maria - 115
45. Page One - 114
46. X Drake - 106 (+3)
47. Onimaru - 102
48. Who's Who - 102
49. Zeus - 102
50. Kozuki Toki - 96

RUNNER-UPS:

51) Gol D. Roger - 95

52) Jack - 94

53) Carrot - 92

54) Prometheus - 87 (+8)

55) Scratchmen Apoo - 84 (+3)

56) Thousand Sunny - 80

57) O-Tsuru - 73

58) Gama Pyonnosuke - 73

59) Edward Newgate - 72

60) Speed - 68 (+5)

Carrot is not a side character...

 

[dizzy2341]

Yes, but Usopp wanting to becoming brave has nothing to do with him being marksman.

Usopp wants to become a brave warrior of the seas. In his mind, that figure is sniper king.

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It's his alter ego. Someone he considers to be the type of man he eventually wants to become.

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His dream is to become a brave warrior of the seas. That brave warrior of the seas is sniper king. A figure like he imagines his Dad to be.

Like i dont remember anyone saying that and Usopp's father is a Sniper too.

Usopp and Luffy had a chat about it where Luffy revealed Yasopp was an amazing sniper.

Yes, CarrotForNakama makes good points when i talk him too. I just dont think that the stuff you are talking about is what Oda is going for. Like we never saw the wonder aspect of her that much not even in her little flashback.

Carrot is absolutely overflowing with wonder. There are countless panels of her starry eyed expressing amazement at things. It's literally in her whole catchphrase.

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Carrot is inspired by Carroll's Alice in Wonderland. Alice followed a white rabbit to enter her wonderland, whereas Carrot the white rabbit is actively exploring her own.

Again, another thing from @CarrotForNakama . In her Sulong form, Carrot swaps from the one doing the wondering, to embodying wonder itself. Jinbe's choice of word is no coincidence.

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Pride for Franky
Joy for Brook
Bravery for Usopp

These are all important characteristics and contributions to Luffy and his crew. No one better captures the true adventurous spirit and sheer wonder than Carrot. The perfect trait you would give to a lookout. It's something that just works. Like a jolly musician or a proud engineer.

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But i am waiting for that never coming development. Lets hope that she and Yamato both joins the crew. :cheers:

Won't be long till the end now. But as appealing as she may look to some, Yamao simply isn't built to be a straw hat. Everything about her character is screaming something else yet people are getting distracted by superficial statements.

 

[Logiko]

Yes, but Usopp wanting to becoming brave has nothing to do with him being marksman. Usopp wants to be like his father a brave man but he didnt choose being a marksman because of that.

Well written, i mostly agree with this but if there is a thing that i disagree is this. Like i dont remember anyone saying that and Usopp's father is a Sniper too. The man Usopp sees as a brave warrior of the sea.


Yes, CarrotForNakama makes good points when i talk him too. I just dont think that the stuff you are talking about is what Oda is going for. Like we never saw the wonder aspect of her that much not even in her little flashback.

My issue with Carrot is that Oda doesnt seem to follow the normal strawhat recruitment. Like Oda doesnt even makes her connected to the plot or giving her a real backstory. She has no focus on her right now and Oda needs to do much work before he actually makes them enter the crew.

But i am waiting for that never coming development. Lets hope that she and Yamato both joins the crew. :cheers:

Everything about Carrot's character is about Wonder. Her design, her symbolic reach, her treatment, her dialogue. This is TRULY the core of Carrot's character (and for real, I could give you my hand on that, that's how much I'm sure about this) and for a good reason, wonder is the best part of a character acting as a look-out. There is no better look-out that a character who look at the world with the eyes of an excited child.

Carrot is the representation of Alice in wonderland who goes through the rabbit hole of adventure.

And on the meta side of the story. Do you think Wanda's name is just a play on the cry of the dog ?
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If a shitty character named after a vegetable ends up joining the Strawhats, then One Piece would really slowly be going down the drain seriously..

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I mean Usopp being a marksman has nothing to do with his backstory or his dream. It has something to do with his fighting style because he is marksman but being a brave warrior of the sea has nothing to do with being a marksman.

And Usopp's backstory is like 2 pages his mother's dying. I dont see how it has to do with all the things you have listed.

On the contrary !!

Usopp being a sniper is in direct relationship to his character arc. Usopp is a Pirate because of his Dad, this relationship is represented by this ability. The whole reason Usopp has Courage issue is because of his dad. Why do you think Oda put his Dad on shanks' s crew ?

 

[Sigran101]

1. I'm not criticizing your response, I'm only saying that this is the only possible answer as none of you want to let the hype of Yamato go.

2. wut ?

3. 90/10 is not a maybe. It is close to a high probability. It is almost a certainty.

4. Everything is an opinion, starting from people thoughts about Yamato. But they are opinion stronger than others when meet with actual storytelling data.

5. It only reenforce the possibility that she could do it again.

6. You are biaised against Carrot. You ignored my argument and you are ignoring this last one. And yes it might hurt you in some way but people who ignores the chances of Carrot just because of the Yamato hype ARE biaised. Carrot is BY FAR ahead of Yamato in term of probabilities.

- Post
- interaction with the crew
- Relationship with Luffy
- Usefullness in regards of her post

Carrot is in FRONT of Yamato in ALL these area. Denying that is just ignoring the story and being BIAISED.

For the rest:

- Oppressor
- Omnipresence

Those are not requierment for a strawhat, they are a requierement for a "character arc". That what Yamato is right now, nothing else.
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Carrot has never been depicted as a captain. It is therefore very unlikely that she takes the sea on her own
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I just do. How can you be sure she won't be fine ?





No that just the escuse you have if your own headcannon does not become a reality, there is no bad writing in making Carrot stowaway again. And I will fight you to the death on that one.





Who said that she failed to see him ? You are making wrong assumptions here.

1. You went into detail about why saying there's no chance for Carrot to stow away would be stupid even though I didn't say that. Look up what a strawman is if you still don't understand.

2. You literally told me I can't say maybe. Saying I give it a 50-50 shot isn't "avoiding the question". That's how I see the chances. Just because you see it as higher doesn't mean I can't see it as lower.

3. Fair enough, I forgot you listed high probability as a seperate answer from maybe. Technically anything that's not 100% or 0% is a maybe, and that's what I was going off of.

4. Your "evidence" list is short and unconvincing. You're not some kind of authority on this.

5. It could be taken either way. The way I see it, the paralel with neko and inu has been done already and doesn't have to be done again. I think there's a higher chance of her joining the crew normally then stowing away.

6. You don't get to tell another person how they feel. I am already certain about Yamato joining the crew, and since I think there may be multiple members joining in Wano, I don't see Carrot's chances as affecting Yamato one way or the other. I want both to join ideally.

I'm not ignoring your arguments, I just tend not to counter arguments much because there's like 5 other people here doing it, and frankly most of your arguments are unintellegable.

I agree that Carrot is ahead in post, role, and interaction with the crew, but I think Yamato is ahead in relationship with Luffy. They have interacted more than Carrot and Luffy, and Carrot has never had an actual 1 on 1 conversation with him.

But I also think Yamato is ahead in
-plot relevence
-backstory
-motivation to join the crew
-connection to the villain

All of the criteria that both of us mentioned are important. The difference is that I'm looking at all of it, while you're picking and choosing the ones that Carrot wins in and saying those are the only important ones while the ones Yamato win in somehow don't matter, even though they are important elements of every last strawhat. You're clearly the biased one here. Hell, your username is literally Carrot4nakama.

 

[dizzy2341]

Everything about Carrot's character is about Wonder. Her design, her symbolic reach, her treatment, her dialogue. This is TRULY the core of Carrot's character (and for real, I could give you my hand on that, that's how much I'm sure about this) and for a good reason, wonder is the best part of a character acting as a look-out. There is no better look-out that a character who look at the world with the eyes of an excited child.

Carrot is the representation of Alice in wonderland who goes through the rabbit hole of adventure.

And on the meta side of the story. Do you think Wanda's name is just a play on the cry of the dog ?

Spot on.

Funnily enough, Carrot's name follows perfectly in line with Oda's naming choices for straw hats. Most just don't realise because they don't speak Japanese.

You'd be amazed at how basic they are.

Nami the navigator's name literally means "wave" in Japanese.
Usopp the liar's name is formed by "uso" (lie in Japanese) and Aesop (incredibly famous storyteller)
Jinbei the whale-shark fishman's name comes from "Jinbei-zame" which literally means to "Whale-shark"

Carrot having a straightforward name is very mugiwara-esque, not a con, lmao. Yamao on the other hand was going to be named "Ninigi" after the God who very specifically was responsible for civilising and establishing law and order over Japan. Hmm...Whatever could be the intent behind that choice?

Likewise, the name Yamato is no different in being a heavily Japanese name as well as after a famous battleship that was given its final mission to protect Japan until destroyed.

 

[Rootbeer]

So for the non degenerates who recognize that Carrot is not a viable candidate as a future Nakama, which character do you think would be the runner up after Yamato? And must they be in Wano too? Are Vivi, Smoker, Boa or even Perona coming to Wano?

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

Spot on.

Funnily enough, Carrot's name follows perfectly in line with Oda's naming choices for straw hats. Most just don't realise because they don't speak Japanese.

You'd be amazed at how basic they are.

Nami the navigator's name literally means "wave" in Japanese.
Usopp the liar's name is formed by "uso" (lie in Japanese) and Aesop (incredibly famous storyteller)
Jinbei the whale-shark fishman's name comes from "Jinbei-zame" which literally means to "Whale-shark"

Carrot having a straightforward bisyllabic name is very mugiwara-esque, not a con, lmao. Yamao on the other hand was going to be named "Ninigi" after the God who very specifically was responsible for civilising and establishing law and order over Japan. Hmm...Whatever could be the intent behind that choice?

Likewise, the name Yamato is no different in being a heavily Japanese name as well as after a famous battleship that was given its final mission to protect Japan until destroyed.

There's also Sanji's name who was supposed to be Naruto (source green databook) because of his swirly eyebrow lol.

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It was changed because of Naruto's serialization.
Now we know that his name is because of being the third-born of his brother, not a very subtle either.
Having a simplistic name isn't an argument against a candidate lol

 

[Staticshadic]

So for the non degenerates who recognize that Carrot is not a viable candidate as a future Nakama, which character do you think would be the runner up after Yamato? And must they be in Wano too? Are Vivi, Smoker, Boa or even Perona coming to Wano?

I go with vivi because of plot reason her family might be relevant later in the story base on the government consider them to be traitors . Hancock and Luffy don't share the same ideals being pirates. Smoker people have out of there minds he might just end up being Luffy's ally.

 

[JoSeungHun7335]

Why does she need to stowaway ? At this point of the story, no character would be just invited by the strawhat to come on the sunny. Unless a miracle. So why would she need to stowaway ? Because that how she is constructed as a character. Carrot takes what she wants, she does not "ask". Plus it's just the continuation of the running gag.

Still not answering my question based on what you said as: data. Your answer here, is your speculation. Not data. The data & facts show that every single Straw Hat, was finally accepted to the crew by Luffy; not because of stowing away.

Yeah.. I postponed my post on Yamato. I have other busisess on my end for now

IDGAF. Where’s Carrot again in recent chapter? Oh look! Non-existent. Just say you don’t have any real evidences anymore since it’s not getting better on Carrot’s side.

Wrong. When a character is drawn to a post more than 40 and the other has not even been introduced with a capacity for a post you can't say that "both are on the same condition role-wise"

It HAS been confirmed in the story that Carrot is a great look-out. You are really showing bad faith here.

your double standard is totally hilarious. Oda never confirmed in Vivre Card data book if Carrot is a great look-out, nor if she has great eyesight or some bullshits like that. It’s all your speculations. Again: seeing things afar with binoculars is not an impressive feat as everybody can do it. If look-out is a role, Viola should be a look-out since she has far much better sight than Carrot. Don’t say about rapidity or high-jump bullshit you created to protect your argument. Everyone here can see the one who has bad faith here is you.

for the record, Robin’s role as a Poneglyph reader only revealed near the end of Alabasta arc, so your point is definitely pointless.

 

[Jew D. Boy]

Carrot is unimpressive as a lookout as well:

She was distracted because this was the moment she came up with her master plan to come out of nowhere and behead Kaido in this arc, Goda’s been foreshadowing her lookout abilities by having her “LOOK OUT” for the crew in the future at their expense in the present

 

[Ninjashadow0209]

So for the non degenerates who recognize that Carrot is not a viable candidate as a future Nakama, which character do you think would be the runner up after Yamato? And must they be in Wano too? Are Vivi, Smoker, Boa or even Perona coming to Wano?

Could be after Yamato possibly Logia type User in the crew, to have all types of AKM user in the crew(Caesar and Crocodile enters in this).

 

[Jew D. Boy]

@CarrotForNakama has talked about this at length before.

He’s the only motherfucker here with less credibility than you, great source to reference 🙄

 

[Logiko]

1. You went into detail about why saying there's no chance for Carrot to stow away would be stupid even though I didn't say that. Look up what a strawman is if you still don't understand.

2. You literally told me I can't say maybe. Saying I give it a 50-50 shot isn't "avoiding the question". That's how I see the chances. Just because you see it as higher doesn't mean I can't see it as lower.

3. Fair enough, I forgot you listed high probability as a seperate answer from maybe. Technically anything that's not 100% or 0% is a maybe, and that's what I was going off of.

4. Your "evidence" list is short and unconvincing. You're not some kind of authority on this.

5. It could be taken either way. The way I see it, the paralel with neko and inu has been done already and doesn't have to be done again. I think there's a higher chance of her joining the crew normally then stowing away.

6. You don't get to tell another person how they feel. I am already certain about Yamato joining the crew, and since I think there may be multiple members joining in Wano, I don't see Carrot's chances as affecting Yamato one way or the other. I want both to join ideally.

I'm not ignoring your arguments, I just tend not to counter arguments much because there's like 5 other people here doing it, and frankly most of your arguments are unintellegable.

I agree that Carrot is ahead in post, role, and interaction with the crew, but I think Yamato is ahead in relationship with Luffy. They have interacted more than Carrot and Luffy, and Carrot has never had an actual 1 on 1 conversation with him.


1) I'm a sceptic I know what a strawman is, and I didn't do one because I give you all the answer and I didn't said that you (2) you couldn't say "maybe" I said that it was one of the only two option left. That's just logic if you are a Yamato fan.

3...
4.. Well no but I understand the character of Carrot well enough to tell you.. trust me, she would stowaway again.

5. In the present state of the story, carrot just asking the crew to join would be anti climatic. Of course there is a lot of way Oda could do this differently, but the best way - for now - is to surprise us with a second stowaway, like the Duke did at the time. oda loves his running gags. (imagine how surprise you would be if Carrot would stowaway.. well you got your answer on the best way to integrate a new mugiwara)

6. Follow my twitter, in a few hour or so you will understand how bias the case of Yamato really is.

But I also think Yamato is ahead in
-plot relevence
-backstory
-motivation to join the crew
-connection to the villain

The thing is those are essential to make a character arc, NOT to make a strawhat.

 

[JoSeungHun7335]

Oh wow so now the argument is about name? Facts show that rabbit shouldn’t eat carrots because carrots are very high in sugar. Rabbit should eat leafy vegetables. Carrot’s name is just a reference to Bugs Bunny, nothing more.

If name is considered a thing especially based on reality, then Carrot’s name should be Grass instead. There, and she still fits the alphabet theory with “Grass” name.

 

[Logiko]

He’s the only motherfucker here with less credibility than you, great source to reference 🙄

Dude, all your post are toxicity.. You are not the right person to talk about credibility
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Oh wow so now the argument is about name? Facts show that rabbit shouldn’t eat carrots because carrots are very high in sugar. Rabbit should eat leafy vegetables. Carrot’s name is just a reference to Bugs Bunny, nothing more.

If name is considered a thing especially based on reality, then Carrot’s name should be Grass instead. There, and she still fits the alphabet theory with “Grass” name.

"Carrot is just a reference to bugs bunny nothing more".. You are underestimating Oda my boi
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Still not answering my question based on what you said as: data. Your answer here, is your speculation. Not data. The data & facts show that every single Straw Hat, was finally accepted to the crew by Luffy; not because of stowing away.

If you don't like the answer, don't ask the question

 

[Rootbeer]

There's also Sanji's name who was supposed to be Naruto (source green databook) because of his swirly eyebrow lol.

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It was changed because of Naruto's serialization.
Now we know that his name is because of being the third-born of his brother, not a very subtle either.
Having a simplistic name isn't an argument against a candidate lol

 

[Logiko]

Still not answering my question based on what you said as: data. Your answer here, is your speculation. Not data. The data & facts show that every single Straw Hat, was finally accepted to the crew by Luffy; not because of stowing away.



IDGAF. Where’s Carrot again in recent chapter? Oh look! Non-existent. Just say you don’t have any real evidences anymore since it’s not getting better on Carrot’s side.



your double standard is totally hilarious. Oda never confirmed in Vivre Card data book if Carrot is a great look-out, nor if she has great eyesight or some bullshits like that. It’s all your speculations. Again: seeing things afar with binoculars is not an impressive feat as everybody can do it. If look-out is a role, Viola should be a look-out since she has far much better sight than Carrot. Don’t say about rapidity or high-jump bullshit you created to protect your argument. Everyone here can see the one who has bad faith here is you.

for the record, Robin’s role as a Poneglyph reader only revealed near the end of Alabasta arc, so your point is definitely pointless.

I can't help you to read boi