He had that dialogue because they had to go to Egghead.
That doesn’t mean they won’t have to go backwards after Egghead, or after Elbaf, or another arc.
It’s very easy to turn that around- why did Oda have the dialogue where the Strawhats talk about going back if Vivi is in trouble? Maybe because… they will turn back when Vivi is in trouble?
As for “they can’t go back”, I’m old enough to remember when Fishman Island was absolutely the next stop in the map. It took them quite a few arcs and side-ways diversions, along with a return to an island already been, to actually get there.
Cause it’s irrelevant?
I don’t know why you think two secondary characters talking about how the main character doesn’t care about the mystery of D really means anything as to when we find it out.
Unless Law joins the Strawhats, he’s gonna find out the truth after they have been to Laugh Tale regardless of when the war is.
When you said I was reducing Robin’s role, I assume you mean because I said the rest of the crew won’t really care. That page you picked out shows what I mean. Luffy doesn’t care, and he’s the main character.
So any idea that Luffy will need to find the truth of the Void Century before he acts, doesn’t really ring true to me. This is the guy who never actually bothered to learn Nami’s sad backstory.
Just answer me, what is more likely to make Luffy want to punch Imu?
a) Eight centuries ago Imu went to war with an Ancient Kingdom, defeated them and set up their own government
b) Imu murdered Vivi’s dad who Luffy liked a lot
I’m guessing your talking about the anime which I don’t care about as they are known for making up their own colours.
I care about the manga, where Dragon’s ship and what we saw of the black ship are drawn in the same way. We also all think Dragon has wind powers that could allow him to make whirlpools.
There is evidently something odd in the way the man with the flame mark is said in Japanese, and it could point to it being a figurative description of his tattoo.
As for Dragon being public enemy number one- that didn’t stop the world from not knowing his full name until two years ago. And maybe having a Road Poneglyph could contribute to why the World Gov hate him so much.
I’m not married to it being Dragon, but it’s definitely a possibility.
None of this really points to Lodestar being a necessity. Laugh Tale is absolutely unique in that it’s apparently the only island in the Grand Line that you can get to with just co-ordinates. With the log pose being useless for that, there’s no need to go to Lodestar.
You said this
And maguffins and attack Mariejois makes me think of weapons.
And I’m not saying it won’t change the world.
I’m saying it’s a process, that the information is the final piece in the puzzle, and that final piece doesn’t need to come before the war.
That Luffy and Shirahoshi weren’t born yet is important enough.
If the information says “a person using the Nika fruit and the mermaid princess will be born and are the only ones who can change the world”, that’s enough for the Roger Pirates to know they can’t do it. Especially given Roger’s one year to live.
Learning before or after changes nothing, Luffy will do it anyway.
Not much of an example
-we know Shirahoshi can command sea kings to destroy entire islands
-we know Pluton is a ship with the power of destroying islands
-we basically know Uranus is a floating object with the power to destroy islands.
-we know Luffy‘s awakened DF is that of the Sun God, Nika, warrior of laughter and liberation
There’s your Infinity Stones. One Piece being something that made Roger laughs hysterically, not sure that fits quite in. One Piece (the object) is some sort of heirloom of a romantic tale of adventure based on Roger’s reaction. Not sure it counts as an Infinity Stone
I mean, let’s not be pretending Imu existing is a small aspect of anything, it’s maybe the biggest kept secret in the world. At least it’s common enough knowledge that the One Piece and Poneglyphs and Ancient Weapons exist and the Void Century happened. Imu is the most successful great taboo the World Gov has pulled.
Cause they were told the one who could do anything about it wasn’t born yet?
The Roger Pirates deciding to step back and let history unfold with barely an intervention (bar Rayleigh) really does not mean squat about when the final war will happen.
I do know this, Whitebeard told us it was something a little boy would say.
It’s not. Finding out what the villain group did is the basis for Robin’s story.
The basis for One Piece is Luffy’s story, and that’s chapter one, want to be get the One Piece and be the Pirate King. Since Oda’s said now that’s the end, and we’ve seen the Roger Pirate’s reaction to One Piece, really has stopped me wholeheartedly believing it’s purpose is to be the great cassus belli for world revolution.
It’s really not complicated in the slightest. Lodestar is irrelevant no matter when the final war happens, the crew will go backwards anyway, and the history won’t make Imu any more of a shit to Luffy than killing Cobra and blowing up Lulusia has already revealed them to be.
Blackbeard‘s the final villain regardless of when the war happens, Rock’s dream of being King of the World and how God’s Valley went saw to that.
That doesn’t mean they won’t have to go backwards after Egghead, or after Elbaf, or another arc.
It’s very easy to turn that around- why did Oda have the dialogue where the Strawhats talk about going back if Vivi is in trouble? Maybe because… they will turn back when Vivi is in trouble?
As for “they can’t go back”, I’m old enough to remember when Fishman Island was absolutely the next stop in the map. It took them quite a few arcs and side-ways diversions, along with a return to an island already been, to actually get there.
Cause it’s irrelevant?
I don’t know why you think two secondary characters talking about how the main character doesn’t care about the mystery of D really means anything as to when we find it out.
Unless Law joins the Strawhats, he’s gonna find out the truth after they have been to Laugh Tale regardless of when the war is.
When you said I was reducing Robin’s role, I assume you mean because I said the rest of the crew won’t really care. That page you picked out shows what I mean. Luffy doesn’t care, and he’s the main character.
So any idea that Luffy will need to find the truth of the Void Century before he acts, doesn’t really ring true to me. This is the guy who never actually bothered to learn Nami’s sad backstory.
Just answer me, what is more likely to make Luffy want to punch Imu?
a) Eight centuries ago Imu went to war with an Ancient Kingdom, defeated them and set up their own government
b) Imu murdered Vivi’s dad who Luffy liked a lot
I’m guessing your talking about the anime which I don’t care about as they are known for making up their own colours.
I care about the manga, where Dragon’s ship and what we saw of the black ship are drawn in the same way. We also all think Dragon has wind powers that could allow him to make whirlpools.
There is evidently something odd in the way the man with the flame mark is said in Japanese, and it could point to it being a figurative description of his tattoo.
As for Dragon being public enemy number one- that didn’t stop the world from not knowing his full name until two years ago. And maybe having a Road Poneglyph could contribute to why the World Gov hate him so much.
I’m not married to it being Dragon, but it’s definitely a possibility.
None of this really points to Lodestar being a necessity. Laugh Tale is absolutely unique in that it’s apparently the only island in the Grand Line that you can get to with just co-ordinates. With the log pose being useless for that, there’s no need to go to Lodestar.
You said this
And maguffins and attack Mariejois makes me think of weapons.
And I’m not saying it won’t change the world.
I’m saying it’s a process, that the information is the final piece in the puzzle, and that final piece doesn’t need to come before the war.
That Luffy and Shirahoshi weren’t born yet is important enough.
If the information says “a person using the Nika fruit and the mermaid princess will be born and are the only ones who can change the world”, that’s enough for the Roger Pirates to know they can’t do it. Especially given Roger’s one year to live.
Learning before or after changes nothing, Luffy will do it anyway.
Not much of an example
-we know Shirahoshi can command sea kings to destroy entire islands
-we know Pluton is a ship with the power of destroying islands
-we basically know Uranus is a floating object with the power to destroy islands.
-we know Luffy‘s awakened DF is that of the Sun God, Nika, warrior of laughter and liberation
There’s your Infinity Stones. One Piece being something that made Roger laughs hysterically, not sure that fits quite in. One Piece (the object) is some sort of heirloom of a romantic tale of adventure based on Roger’s reaction. Not sure it counts as an Infinity Stone
I mean, let’s not be pretending Imu existing is a small aspect of anything, it’s maybe the biggest kept secret in the world. At least it’s common enough knowledge that the One Piece and Poneglyphs and Ancient Weapons exist and the Void Century happened. Imu is the most successful great taboo the World Gov has pulled.
Cause they were told the one who could do anything about it wasn’t born yet?
The Roger Pirates deciding to step back and let history unfold with barely an intervention (bar Rayleigh) really does not mean squat about when the final war will happen.
I do know this, Whitebeard told us it was something a little boy would say.
It’s not. Finding out what the villain group did is the basis for Robin’s story.
The basis for One Piece is Luffy’s story, and that’s chapter one, want to be get the One Piece and be the Pirate King. Since Oda’s said now that’s the end, and we’ve seen the Roger Pirate’s reaction to One Piece, really has stopped me wholeheartedly believing it’s purpose is to be the great cassus belli for world revolution.
It’s really not complicated in the slightest. Lodestar is irrelevant no matter when the final war happens, the crew will go backwards anyway, and the history won’t make Imu any more of a shit to Luffy than killing Cobra and blowing up Lulusia has already revealed them to be.
Blackbeard‘s the final villain regardless of when the war happens, Rock’s dream of being King of the World and how God’s Valley went saw to that.
