Speculations Not only will the 4 Yonko fight over One Piece, but so will Akainu and his fleet.

Will the 4 Yonko and Marines Fight over One Piece?

  • Yes

    Votes: 19 47.5%
  • No, only Yonko

    Votes: 16 40.0%
  • No, only Blackbeard or Pranks

    Votes: 5 12.5%

  • Total voters
    40
#61
There are 9 HK + 5 Gorosei + 3 Admirals + IMU + Sengoku + Kong = 19 Fighters

There will probably be 9 SH + 5 Revo Commanders + Sabo + Dragon + Luffy = 16 Fighters

If Saturn and Kizaru loose that brings it down to 17. Sengoku and/or Kong may also not be around or there may be a 10th SH.

Dragon likely fights IMU
Luffy fights Akainu
Sabo fights Topman
Zoro fights Venus or Garling
Sanji fights Mars
Fujitora fights GreenBull
Rest of the SH and Revo Commanders fight HK, Admirals, and Gorosei depending on their strength level.

Then Dragon looses and all Luffy fights IMU after him probably alongside Sabo after he beats Topman.
 
#62
Bumping this thread because i think its an interesting conversation to have now. Ive believe more than ever that the Marines must be relevant to the battle over One Piece, especially now that the WG is attempting to do what seems to be sinking the world.

Having Marines like Fuji or even Akainu listen to the government I feel must come before the void century is learned about, otherwise having them fight after is a weird circumstance, as by that point Imu quite literally would be trying to destroy the current world most likely.


Imo:

- Egghead: Kizaru loses, Saturn leaves with Seraphim, Mother Flame Production. Marines take a huge blow to forces.
- Elbaf: Some isolated plotline, but is tangentially related to getting the Giants as allies in the endgame
- 4th RP arc: Burned man, All Yonko + Entire Marine force clash over One Piece (Marineford looks "cute" by this point). The SHF "great" incident.
- Lodestar/Laugh Tale: Surviving antagonist ( Shanks or Blackbeard) clash with Luffy
- Final War: Strictly WG Centric with Marine + Kingdom + Pirate allies
 
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#63
Bumping this thread because i think its an interesting conversation to have now. Ive believe more than ever that the Marines must be relevant to the battle over One Piece, especially now that the WG is attempting to do what seems to be sinking the world.

Having Marines like Fuji or even Akainu listen to the government I feel must come before the void century is learned about, otherwise having them fight after is a weird circumstance, as by that point Imu quite literally would be trying to destroy the current world most likely.


Imo:

- Egghead: Kizaru loses, Saturn leaves with Seraphim, Mother Flame Production. Marines take a huge blow to forces.
- Elbaf: Some isolated plotline, but is tangentially related to getting the Giants as allies in the endgame
- 4th RP arc: Burned man, All Yonko + Entire Marine force clash over One Piece (Marineford looks "cute" by this point). The SHF "great" incident.
- Lodestar/Laugh Tale: Surviving antagonist ( Shanks or Blackbeard) clash with Luffy
- Final War: Strictly WG Centric with Marine + Kingdom + Pirate allies
Kaido + luffy combined ACoC attack:steef:
 
#64
Bumping this thread because i think its an interesting conversation to have now. Ive believe more than ever that the Marines must be relevant to the battle over One Piece, especially now that the WG is attempting to do what seems to be sinking the world.

Having Marines like Fuji or even Akainu listen to the government I feel must come before the void century is learned about, otherwise having them fight after is a weird circumstance, as by that point Imu quite literally would be trying to destroy the current world most likely.


Imo:

- Egghead: Kizaru loses, Saturn leaves with Seraphim, Mother Flame Production. Marines take a huge blow to forces.
- Elbaf: Some isolated plotline, but is tangentially related to getting the Giants as allies in the endgame
- 4th RP arc: Burned man, All Yonko + Entire Marine force clash over One Piece (Marineford looks "cute" by this point). The SHF "great" incident.
- Lodestar/Laugh Tale: Surviving antagonist ( Shanks or Blackbeard) clash with Luffy
- Final War: Strictly WG Centric with Marine + Kingdom + Pirate allies
U think Saturn escapes with Mother Flame production? Tbh I think the final war starts here

The finding of the ancient kingdoms energy and the death of Vegapunk

Idk if Akainu will be after the One Piece but I think he will splinter off from the WG like has been hinted for a while.
 
#65
U think Saturn escapes with Mother Flame production? Tbh I think the final war starts here

The finding of the ancient kingdoms energy and the death of Vegapunk

Idk if Akainu will be after the One Piece but I think he will splinter off from the WG like has been hinted for a while.
Yes, I think Saturns sole purpose here is 2 fold:

- Get all Seraphim and age them to their full potential and danger since he can override VP.
- Get whatever Mother Flames (assuming its fuel) here for Imu to be able to use the weapon at least several more times. Maaaaybe he leaves with York, but who knows.


Ideally the crew isnt leaving with the Seraphim, too many rebotic body guard type characters on the ship and for what? Not sure about CP0 or York though.


Also less Akainu going after One Piece, but more preventing anyone from doing so.
 
#66
Yes, I think Saturns sole purpose here is 2 fold:

- Get all Seraphim and age them to their full potential and danger since he can override VP.
- Get whatever Mother Flames (assuming its fuel) here for Imu to be able to use the weapon at least several more times. Maaaaybe he leaves with York, but who knows.


Ideally the crew isnt leaving with the Seraphim, too many rebotic body guard type characters on the ship and for what? Not sure about CP0 or York though.


Also less Akainu going after One Piece, but more preventing anyone from doing so.
They are definitely leaving with the Seraphin idk about York and the Mother Flames though

One thing caught my eye this chapter was about the Gorosei saying to York this chapter that she’s still a Vegapunk…

does Vegapunk deep down desire to live like a celestial dragon. His dream he keeps saying is to give unlimited energy to the entire world which is seemingly connected to Kiz’s fruit and the ancient kingdom energy.

Mother Flame fuel doesn’t seem to be the most effective thing for whatever this weapon is.

Ancient Robot is still a plot point as well.

CP0, Satellities. Way too many character atm. I wonder if it’s gonna end like Saobody again but everyone will split in small groups…

Maybe this will let Usopp actually do something there and can see his father/Shanks without Luffy being there. Cause atm I can’t see them all going as one big ship to Elbaf if that even is the next arc
Hard to speculate on Akainu atm cause other then the Blackhorse reverie investigation thing we haven’t had much. Unless he orders something that happens at the end of egghead🤔.
 
#67
Think this is a good time to revive this thread lol. Vegapunks message (and Egghead as an arc itself) is essentially a primer to set up the final war, which once again seems to suggest itll involve every major character.



Obviously theres still Elbaf left, which may explain why this silhouetted man exists next to Imu and may be the Burned Scar Man. This means Elbaf could focus on them and the 4th RP, and Lodestar/LT is our endgame after that
 

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#68
Think this is a good time to revive this thread lol. Vegapunks message (and Egghead as an arc itself) is essentially a primer to set up the final war, which once again seems to suggest itll involve every major character.



Obviously theres still Elbaf left, which may explain why this silhouetted man exists next to Imu and may be the Burned Scar Man. This means Elbaf could focus on them and the 4th RP, and Lodestar/LT is our endgame after that
the yonkos getting most of the panel there means they'll be the main guys here
 
#69
Ive been thinking about this a lot lately, but its really come to light more recently with recent chapters suggesting that the seat of power at the top of the world is the pinnacle and final goal of the series. But what has concerned me (and probably like, 99% of the fanbase) is how Oda will tackle the remaining factions in the series before this, because you have like 4-5 major ones that frankly have nothing or little to do with the WG as a controlling entity. Like, most threads are about the powerscale, but in reality its about who loses first and when.

How do you, after Kaido and Big Mom, continuously attempt to scale other powers at a higher level in a linear fashion? Then it got me thinking: that probably isnt Oda's intent. He's gone on record, multiple times, stating that the bigger endgame conflict will dwarf anything that has come before.

This really starts to get traction if you go back to Doflamingo's speech after losing. Interestingly, he includes the Marines on the war for higher power, but not the World Government, only referencing them after the fact:





But what really made question Akainu's placement, funny enough, had to do more with what Oda had Ryokugyuu say to Shanks:


If Oda put out dialogue implying the Marines will fight the RHP, then it lends credence to them potentially being involved in the war for the 4th RP or road to LT as a means to prevent anyone from going there.

What Im starting to see is Akainu ideally shouldnt sit around and do nothing, especially if Egghead ends with Kizaru in the least losing. At that point, sitting and waiting is just allowing others to amass power and gain more victories.

This is why I think now, it would make far more sense for Marine HQ to take part in this war, against Luffy and his fleet, Shanks, Blackbeard and Cross Guild. In this way, all major factions lose in close proximity. The Marines top brass (Zodiac VAs, Fuji, Ryo) can all take part against the other forces. You can have Zoro fight an Admiral, and also fight Shiryu, and also fight Mihawk in the end. Mihawk can also clash with Shanks. He can also clash with Fuji or Shiryu. Same with Akainu, Blackbeard, Luffy and Shanks together.

Hopefully this starts to make sense. With very few tertiary arc characters, Oda has a really good opportunity to flesh out and characterize 4-5 factions in a grand scale war similar to Marineford, but with actual, proper conclusions. You reduce the need to escalate powerscale between all of these characters and just have them at a more level playing field to see who is left in the end. People can fight dirty/clean and win/lose. You can dish out flashsbacks and have shocking reveals for characters when relevant (if not characterized earlier). Oda doesnt have to focus on general 1v1s that take up too much time until there are only 2 people left (i.e. Zoro vs Mihawk directly or Luffy vs Blackbeard/Akainu/Shanks, etc). He doesnt have to focus on scabbard type characters (unless you hate the SHF lol). By the end of this, you have your Pirate King crew. One that surpasses all Yonko and Marine fleets.

In this way, you also reduce the clutter for the "grander" conflict with the World Government, where the Revolutionaries, allied Kingdoms, and Luffy's other allies (i.e. Kid and Law; other Supernova, Hancock, former Whitebeard/Roger Pirates) take the stage with Ancient Weapons, One Piece itself, etc. The WG, to me, is just starting to feel like its being set up to be a stronger entity than anyone else, considering Dragon highlighting God's Knights before even finding out about the Gorosei and Imu from Sabo.

To summarize, you'd:

- Knock out 3-4 factions without needing to individually spend time on each, but instead in a larger conflict with proper buildup
- Not regurgitate 1v1 matchups for all eternity (the man will never finish this manga), the figts are more chaotic and grandiose.
- Give the Grand Fleet Purpose (Maybe this is their great incident they are involved in?)
- Leave enough breather for the WG fight to mean something separate from the Marines, which Oda has been specifying with God Knights and the Gorosei, Imu being "monsters"

What do you guys think? Does this make sense?

Tldr: What if Luffy fought like 3-4 Kaido's together but all Kaido's were also fighting each other?

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#70
Still not likely to be a royal rumble where all of these characters are on one island together fighting it out. It’s the entire new world is about to be engulfed in war and battles will break out throughout the new world between factions.
 
#71
Think this is a good time to revive this thread lol. Vegapunks message (and Egghead as an arc itself) is essentially a primer to set up the final war, which once again seems to suggest itll involve every major character.



Obviously theres still Elbaf left, which may explain why this silhouetted man exists next to Imu and may be the Burned Scar Man. This means Elbaf could focus on them and the 4th RP, and Lodestar/LT is our endgame after that
I think it will be like we gotten in Egghead

Probally every conflict will include a yonko but also other factions stated it in the review thread:
I mean oda said the final saga a battle royal so I assume there will be a lot of fights between third parties not involving strawhats and also three way battles or more
Egghead already had that vibe with the little glimpses we gotten

For example in Hachinosu we had Sword, regular marines, BBP, Kuzan, who is implied to doing his own thing, Perona (doing her own thing)
 

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#72
Everyone will fight each other to get one piece or stop others from getting one piece



This actually increase odds of BB as FV
 

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#74
Potentially:luuh:

What it truly does say though is that we will all probably arguing about the FV for the next decade lol
Not for me.


It was always BB or WG for me.

I was inclining towards WG became of obvious reasons and based on arc progression


But, if everyone including WG is getting involved now in battle royale then BB chances are up to set ultimate showdown two men who are true rivals with having dreams going beyond one piece
 
#76
scarred man is in lodestar, which is the final island the trio were arguing about(where Law was headed)

If the scarred man is a HK makes sense the WG planted their secret base at the end of the grand line
 
#77
scarred man is in lodestar, which is the final island the trio were arguing about(where Law was headed)

If the scarred man is a HK makes sense the WG planted their secret base at the end of the grand line
Idk, I would hope its just Elbaf because then you have to fill Elbaf with yet another character antagonist, unless of course it goes to one of the Yonko, Akainu, etc.
 
#78
Idk, I would hope its just Elbaf because then you have to fill Elbaf with yet another character antagonist, unless of course it goes to one of the Yonko, Akainu, etc.
I assume Kaido, BM and the admirals all pull up to Elbaf before BB shows up as a secret villain to finally cement his beef with Luffy

basically, Elbaf will be used to tie up the loose ends before the final war for laugh tale begins
 
#79
I assume Kaido, BM and the admirals all pull up to Elbaf before BB shows up as a secret villain to finally cement his beef with Luffy

basically, Elbaf will be used to tie up the loose ends before the final war for laugh tale begins
Possibly? Imo its hard for Blackbeard to be there if Caribou is supposed to relay information to him about FI and Wano. I feel like Elbaf needs to be the stopgap to allow every major faction to mobilize for the final war and tidy things up.

For example, I still feel CG is entirely incomplete, its too small with fodder. We dont know the fate of Weevil or Moria and I feel like they'll be important to recruiting a few other former Shichibukai (Impel Down breakout 2.0?), maybe Oda even uses that design for Ace's defeated Shichibukai and includes them.

The Marines are also another faction that isnt mobilized yet, Fuji is still missing and Ryokugyuu only just left Wano.

I could see Kaido/BM being here though if the arc is actually Rocks centric (if thats separate from the Burned Scar Man or this silhouetted person)
 
#80
Possibly? Imo its hard for Blackbeard to be there if Caribou is supposed to relay information to him about FI and Wano. I feel like Elbaf needs to be the stopgap to allow every major faction to mobilize for the final war and tidy things up.

For example, I still feel CG is entirely incomplete, its too small with fodder. We dont know the fate of Weevil or Moria and I feel like they'll be important to recruiting a few other former Shichibukai (Impel Down breakout 2.0?), maybe Oda even uses that design for Ace's defeated Shichibukai and includes them.

The Marines are also another faction that isnt mobilized yet, Fuji is still missing and Ryokugyuu only just left Wano.

I could see Kaido/BM being here though if the arc is actually Rocks centric (if thats separate from the Burned Scar Man or this silhouetted person)
I don’t think Oda is going to have Bb invade Wano just yet, having him do the same thing as the WCI cover page back2back seems to repetitive. Maybe it’s his back up plan if he fails to find the one piece?

Yeah I think Elbaf is the arc where the other 2 Yonko catch up. BB should be tied with Luffy right now, Shanks should try to find the last one plus fight Barto and CG needs to get all 3 plus beef up his crew. This will all happen as Luffy is in elbaf, so instead of generic giant villain we can tie loose ends with BM and Kaido, but to keep things fresh have BB show up, stomp Luffy and take something forcing Luffy to act
 
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