Character Discussion Oda failed to make King and Queen menacing characters?

[Sword God Ryuma]

This is a bad translation though
In Stephen script it was stated that he was only a commander.
I've also checked the raw and Stephen translation was the correct one

Viz is viz

 

[Luffy bin Dragon]

Even if Wada> hyou Sanji double teamed him and used his strongest attack to beat Wada. While zoro used a simple outo technique not ISDS or ashura

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

Even if Wada> hyou Sanji double teamed him and used his strongest attack to beat Wada. While zoro used a simple outo technique not ISDS or ashura

Exactly

 

[style]

Viz is viz

Back then Viz made many errors, this is one of them.
I'm pretty sure that if you check the Color version (in which they correct some errors) they've corrected this mistranslation

 

[Chrono]

Hmm yep Ryuma was far superior to Absaldom. Is this a joke lmao. Ryuma was a Zombie, he was literally breaking Zoro swords and speed blitz brook the fastest SH. This is the dumbest statement yet.
Sanji did get a fight in Skypiea, he couldn't get job done and jumped his opponent.

Lmao dont try it....Viz wasnt accurate back then. They had a whole different translator. Here is Stephen Paul's translation.

His position is no different to Nami....

Heres the link to the chap
https://web.archive.org/web/2006090...ascreener.com/stephen/onepiece/chapter069.txt


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- Ryuma first of all was his inferior in heiarchy...thats one
- Second of all Ryuma cant do shit to Absalom's invisibility

Absalom would turn invisible and trash him.

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Sanji didnt get a fight. Satori sneak attacked him....then Sanji oneshotted him when he was captured.
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Even if Wada> hyou Sanji double teamed him and used his strongest attack to beat Wada. While zoro used a simple outo technique not ISDS or ashura

Is Wada still not the stronger opponent tho..

Did Sanji still not beat him ?

Would use this excuse for Zoro vs Pica...and Law and Luffy vs Doffy ?

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

Lmao dont try it....Viz wasnt accurate back then. They had a whole different translator. Here is Stephen Paul's translation.

His position is no different to Nami....

Heres the link to the chap
https://web.archive.org/web/2006090...ascreener.com/stephen/onepiece/chapter069.txt


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- Ryuma first of all was his inferior in heiarchy...thats one
- Second of all Ryuma cant do shit to Absalom's invisibility

Absalom would turn invisible and trash him.

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Sanji didnt get a fight. Satori sneak attacked him....then Sanji oneshotted him when he was captured.
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Is Wada still not the stronger opponent tho..

Did Sanji still not beat him ?

Would use this excuse for Zoro vs Pica...and Law and Luffy vs Doffy ?

Brk Viz is Viz. Sorry bro go cry somewhere else.
You can literally see where he steps and slash him. Only reason this man even did anything to Sanji is because he was holding Nami up protecting her. He straight garbage. He not impressive. Sanji jumped Sasori

 

[Chrono]

Back then Viz made many errors, this is one of them.
I'm pretty sure that if you check the Color version (in which they correct some errors) they've corrected this mistranslation

They have....

 

[Luffy bin Dragon]

Lmao dont try it....Viz wasnt accurate back then. They had a whole different translator. Here is Stephen Paul's translation.

His position is no different to Nami....

Heres the link to the chap
https://web.archive.org/web/2006090...ascreener.com/stephen/onepiece/chapter069.txt


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- Ryuma first of all was his inferior in heiarchy...thats one
- Second of all Ryuma cant do shit to Absalom's invisibility

Absalom would turn invisible and trash him.

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Sanji didnt get a fight. Satori sneak attacked him....then Sanji oneshotted him when he was captured.
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Is Wada still not the stronger opponent tho..

Did Sanji still not beat him ?

Would use this excuse for Zoro vs Pica...and Law and Luffy vs Doffy ?

Did orlumbus do 50% of the damage.
Also if we look at hierarchy I guess Robin>>Luffy. She low diffed spandau luccis boss while luffy extreme diffed lucci

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

Lmao dont try it....Viz wasnt accurate back then. They had a whole different translator. Here is Stephen Paul's translation.

His position is no different to Nami....

Heres the link to the chap
https://web.archive.org/web/2006090...ascreener.com/stephen/onepiece/chapter069.txt


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- Ryuma first of all was his inferior in heiarchy...thats one
- Second of all Ryuma cant do shit to Absalom's invisibility

Absalom would turn invisible and trash him.

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Sanji didnt get a fight. Satori sneak attacked him....then Sanji oneshotted him when he was captured.
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Is Wada still not the stronger opponent tho..

Did Sanji still not beat him ?

Would use this excuse for Zoro vs Pica...and Law and Luffy vs Doffy ?

Sanji jumped Qada with Jinbei who was stronger than Sanji then. Lol stop it. Sanji has never fought stronger opponents than Zoro

 

[style]

Viz before Stephen wasn't reliable

Viz after Stephen is very accurate, although not perfect (also because perfection is really hard to achieve and nobody is perfect)
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However this doesn't stop Ryuma>Absalom

 

[Chrono]

Brk Viz is Viz. Sorry bro go cry somewhere else.

Viz literally corrected themselves tho lol.

They have....

You can literally see where he steps and slash him. Only reason this man even did anything to Sanji is because he was holding Nami up protecting her. He straight garbage. He not impressive. Sanji jumped Sasori

Nope....Sanji used salt to detect him. Where tf is Ryuma gonna get that. At one point Sanji didnt even know where he was.....so he had to grab Nami.

Yes Sanji jumped him...thats why we dont consider it a fight. Unlike you guys who would say Zoro defeated Apoo lmaoo

 

[Luffy bin Dragon]

They have....

This is sad. are you arguing that zoro just out of a fight with a top tier fought weaker oppenent than sanji means Sanji > Zoro?

 

[Albino 👑]

Nah. The issue is Zoro fans want Zoro to be the main character and fight Kaido while Sanji fans want Sanji to be Zoro and fight King. Misplaced fan expectations.

100% agree
Like even if that was to happen somehow (its not)

I really dont understand the fans that believe believe zoro will take the main character role in taking down kaido and dont mind if he doesn't fight king because of it yet get mad at the thought of sanji fighting him instead

 

[Chrono]

Sanji jumped Qada with Jinbei who was stronger than Sanji then. Lol stop it. Sanji has never fought stronger opponents than Zoro

Sanji didnt jump Wada tho. Wada clearly knew of Sanji and wasnt captured like Satori...

Yup he has....literally everyone except Mr 1 perhaps. We'll cancel out Ohm, like we cancel out Duval.
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This is sad. are you arguing that zoro just out of a fight with a top tier fought weaker oppenent than sanji means Sanji > Zoro?

What has that got to do with anything ? Would Zoro have fought Kuroobi....the martial artist...if he wasnt injured.

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

Viz literally corrected themselves tho lol.






Nope....Sanji used salt to detect him. Where tf is Ryuma gonna get that. At one point Sanji didnt even know where he was.....so he had to grab Nami.

Yes Sanji jumped him...thats why we dont consider it a fight. Unlike you guys who would say Zoro defeated Apoo lmaoo

Sanji literally was beating the breaks off of him until he was holding up Sanji. He trash, like i said he was protecting Nami which is the reason he got an opening. Zoro snuck Apoo. I never disagreed with that assessment.
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Sanji didnt jump Wada tho. Wada clearly knew of Sanji and wasnt captured like Satori...

Yup he has....literally everyone except Mr 1 perhaps. We'll cancel out Ohm, like we cancel out Duval.
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What has that got to do with anything ? Would Zoro have fought Kuroobi....the martial artist...if he wasnt injured.

Yes he did. Sanji and Jinbei double teamed him.
Mr.1, ohm,Kaku are all superior

 

[Ichiro Miyata]

Queen is trash but King is interesting.

 

[Just a member]

In WCI BM was seen completely out of everybody's league bar plot power's which destroyed her and her hype and the one built to be the evil and strong main villain was Kata. Now Wano is of course building up Kaido the same or even more than BM yet this time he is the true villain of the arc so he gets everything while King, Kata's equivalent, geta only some small bits compared to what Kata get in WCI. Yet Queen on the contrary has a much better portrait than Smoothie even if their level of threat is prettt low as of now since they did nothing really intimidating (King best feat is beat Sanji with the RS saving the day and Queen managing to make BM regain her consciousness).

 

[Chrono]

Sanji literally was beating the breaks off of him until he was holding up Sanji. He trash, like i said he was protecting Nami which is the reason he got an opening. Zoro snuck Apoo. I never disagreed with that assessment.
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Yes he did. Sanji and Jinbei double teamed him.
Mr.1, ohm,Kaku are all superior

Getting beat-up by Sanji isnt a bad thing. If want to talk about anti-feats... Ryuma got his attack taken by Usopp and never even landed a hit on Zoro.

Yh but Sanji couldnt find him at that point. All Absalom has to do is turn invisible and put salt in Ryuma's mouth.


How is a team up a bad thing. Law and Luffy teamed up against Doffy. Wadatsumi was a hazard who was crushing everyone around him.

Your acting as if Sanji sneak attacked him lol.

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

Getting beat-up by Sanji isnt a bad thing. If want to talk about anti-feats... Ryuma got his attack taken by Usopp and never even landed a hit on Zoro.

Yh but Sanji couldnt find him at that point. All Absalom has to do is turn invisible and put salt in Ryuma's mouth.


How is a team up a bad thing. Law and Luffy teamed up against Doffy. Wadatsumi was a hazard who was crushing everyone around him.

Your acting as if Sanji sneak attacked him lol.

Ussop takes all kind of attacks. He know for his durability and stop talking nonesense he wasn't trying to hurt them.

Ryuma was literally breaking a 21 grade sword. Absalom was gett his ass beaten by Sanji. Took advantage because Sanji wanted to protect Nami.

I never said it was or good thing. I am just saying you can't use it in this argument.

 

[Gauntlet]

Getting beat-up by Sanji isnt a bad thing. If want to talk about anti-feats... Ryuma got his attack taken by Usopp and never even landed a hit on Zoro.

Didn't Ussop tank the same explosion in Punk Hazard that supposedly fucked Sanji up so much that he could barely handle blocking a few kicks from Vergo? Seems to me that Sanji's just as brittle as chalk.