Current Events Oda having the Flying Six not use Haki on the Straw Hats makes their wins not feel earned

[Master OF Haki]

Ahhhahahaha... people only now are slowly waking up to the "inconsistency" catastrophe of post-timskip one piece. Let's say you convince yourself that the "flying six" used spiceficly "invisible" CoA which wasn't visible and had a minor effect to the fight overall, then how the fuck are you going to explain CoO??? Oh, try to do that if you can lol.

Franky, Robin, Nami none of them have haki, so thecniquely speaking Franky should have not been able to lend even one hit on Sasaki since Sasaki has CoO while Frank doesn't. Oda could have easily fixed that by giving them ether CoO or some type of thecnolagy that could counter "weak" CoO–but he didn't. This is one the reasons why power levels don't exist in post-timskip one piece, it's all imaginary in your head, none of it is real in the "story" and never will be, Oda is indeed the undisputed God of inconsistency.

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

Just look at how the fights panned out. Where in any of those fights would haki have changed anything?

Just because you have Haki and use it, it doesn't mean you are guaranteed victory. Luffy proved this against the BoA sisters.

 

[stealthblack]

Robin final form must Have Been full body hardening, makes sense since Sabo dragon trained her.

Other then that, complete bullsht. Buttt... Lasers are broken șo could be sasaki haki not strong enough to tank it

 

[RayanOO]

 

[Midnight Delight]

Just look at how the fights panned out. Where in any of those fights would haki have changed anything?

Just because you have Haki and use it, it doesn't mean you are guaranteed victory. Luffy proved this against the BoA sisters.

According to a lot of people here Luffy should have just tanked the Pacifista's Lasers instead of dodging them through CoO. Since CoA is apparently this broken ability despite Hody Jones raping Luffy's CoA without Haki

 

[Sparda]

Not really, since haki doesn't means you're invincible
But what I want to see is that each straw hats unlocking their haki potential, kinda like how Usopp did it
If Robin already have it, I don't really mind since she's with the revos
But Franky, aw come on, who doesn't want to see black iron pirate general Franky?
This is the moment, and it got wasted, along with Black Maria hybrid form and Who's who seimei kikan form

 

[Hanzo hattori]

Fact. Sasaki destroyed Franky's general without using haki and Maria didnt use haki + she lost her weapon before fighting Robin because of Brook

 

[Shiroyru]

Fact. Sasaki destroyed Franky's general without using haki and Maria didnt use haki + she lost her weapon before fighting Robin because of Brook

No they just used invisible Haki

 

[sanjikun]

When Oda introduced black CoA, he specifically said it was a type of Haki. Busoshoku Haki: Koka. Armament Haki: Hardening.

Ahhhahahaha... people only now are slowly waking up to the "inconsistency" catastrophe of post-timskip one piece. Let's say you convince yourself that the "flying six" used spiceficly "invisible" CoA which wasn't visible and had a minor effect to the fight overall, then how the fuck are you going to explain CoO??? Oh, try to do that if you can lol.

Franky, Robin, Nami none of them have haki, so thecniquely speaking Franky should have not been able to lend even one hit on Sasaki since Sasaki has CoO while Frank doesn't. Oda could have easily fixed that by giving them ether CoO or some type of thecnolagy that could counter "weak" CoO–but he didn't. This is one the reasons why power levels don't exist in post-timskip one piece, it's all imaginary in your head, none of it is real in the "story" and never will be, Oda is indeed the undisputed God of inconsistency.

Basic invisible Haki is nothing new. Like I said that was the difference between Vergo/Pica and Trebol/Diamante, and it's the difference between Who's Who and Sasaki/Black Maria.

And Momo was listed with CoO too. CoO has always been inconsistent.

 

[Paperchampion23]

The only explanation I have for this is its possible Oda didn't have enough characters in Wano to do what he intends to do next. He needed enough healthy allies to defeat the remainder of the 2 Yonko allies before the end of the arc.

Possibilities like the Big Mom Pirates still are pretty decent along with the thousands of fodder that still exist. So maaaaaybe he intends for some crew members to get 2nd fights.

Note that I extremely doubt this is happening, but it's the only thing I can think of that can "defend" Oda's case of removing the F6 so fast from the fights. So if not this, then he entirely wasted good distractions and improvements for the crew the next ~10 chapters. A lot more characterization could have went to into them, the fights and their defeats. It's why I was so adamant on them not being down before 1022 confirmed it (for now).

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Well, this is what happens when you prioritize O'Tama's adventures in neutralizing the Gifters over your protagonists supporting cast. The fights could've been decent if most just had 1+ chapter (2+ for Sasaki).

Like I get why those chapters exist. I just don't get why he didn't do more the F6 too. We could have gotten the last 2-3 chapters just...later. it didn't need to be rushed imo

 

[Jabp2020]

I agree, the Flying Six fights ended up being underwhelming and the wins unearned. Usopp and Nami are still weaker than their opponents at least. Jinbei's was the only believable fight

 

[Shiroyru]

I agree, the Flying Six fights ended up being underwhelming and the wins unearned. Usopp and Nami are still weaker than their opponents at least. Jinbei's was the only believable fight

You have to keep in mind that Nami also got heavily nerfed going into her fight. Who knows how it would have went down if Nami started off with Zeus

 

[Finalbeta]

You have to keep in mind that Nami also got heavily nerfed going into her fight. Who knows how it would have went down if Nami started off with Zeus

I think she would have possibly won the fight against Ulti as long as Zeus proved good enough but I quite doubt because she was so fast and agile and powerful and enduring I see it quite tough for Nami. She could stand with her pulverized organs.

 

[WesMidnight]

Franky, Robin, Nami none of them have haki, so thecniquely speaking Franky should have not been able to lend even one hit on Sasaki since Sasaki has CoO while Frank doesn't. Oda could have easily fixed that by giving them ether CoO or some type of thecnolagy that could counter "weak" CoO–but he didn't. This is one the reasons why power levels don't exist in post-timskip one piece, it's all imaginary in your head, none of it is real in the "story" and never will be, Oda is indeed the undisputed God of inconsistency.

If you can out-speed/ out-maneuver/ out-AoE your enemy then weak base CoO isn't going to be game changing, lots of mantra using weaklings in Skypeia.
Luffy's CoO coming out of the skip was already far beyond the level someone like Sasaki or BM has, for example.

 

[Weeman]

Ahhhahahaha... people only now are slowly waking up to the "inconsistency" catastrophe of post-timskip one piece. Let's say you convince yourself that the "flying six" used spiceficly "invisible" CoA which wasn't visible and had a minor effect to the fight overall, then how the fuck are you going to explain CoO??? Oh, try to do that if you can lol.

Franky, Robin, Nami none of them have haki, so thecniquely speaking Franky should have not been able to lend even one hit on Sasaki since Sasaki has CoO while Frank doesn't. Oda could have easily fixed that by giving them ether CoO or some type of thecnolagy that could counter "weak" CoO–but he didn't. This is one the reasons why power levels don't exist in post-timskip one piece, it's all imaginary in your head, none of it is real in the "story" and never will be, Oda is indeed the undisputed God of inconsistency.

The fact that your name is master of haki makes this post so much better.

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Haki is a mess because Oda just doesn't draw it even though he literally made the whole black coating specifically to let us know it's being used.
Observation is much easier to forgive as, unless you have some super version of it like future sight, it will most likely just manifest as regular dodging and intuition in a battle.

But there's literally no reason for someone not to use armament during all of their attacks or when taking a hit, it's literallly just an enhancer for physical attacks and defense. Who's Who vs Jinbe is only made better by adding the black coating to their attacks, because it makes the fight make way more sense in the universe Oda's crafted, and makes both WsW and Jinbe feel more capable.

I am fine with characters like Franky or Robin being able to fight without haki since their abilities are unique and powerful enough to not need it. But again, Oda has to at least add some dialogue telling us that they're aware of their lack of haki and choose to fight without it anyway, if only for the sake of consistency. We live in a universe where even someone like Bellamy managed to develop basic CoA coating, so it's not exactly a super rare or complicated ability.

 

[Master OF Haki]

If you can out-speed/ out-maneuver/ out-AoE your enemy then weak base CoO isn't going to be game changing, lots of mantra using weaklings in Skypeia.
Luffy's CoO coming out of the skip was already far beyond the level someone like Sasaki or BM has, for example.

That's way I said that Oda could have fixed it by giving the strowhats something to counter CoO–but he didn't! Franky, Robin and Nami are not fast, not at all lol. By the rules of one piece these three characters are the most vulnerable to the CoO, they have nothing to counter it.

 

[Fn Lucci]

Who's Who got destroyed and Ulti was outclassed at several points. CoA probably isn't what people seem to think

 

[WesMidnight]

That's way I said that Oda could have fixed it by giving the strowhats something to counter CoO–but he didn't! Franky, Robin and Nami are not fast, not at all lol. By the rules of one piece these three characters are the most vulnerable to the CoO, they have nothing to counter it.

Lasers are fast, Zeus homes in, and Jacuzzi's AoE is too big to avoid.

 

[Master OF Haki]

Lasers are fast, Zeus homes in, and Jacuzzi's AoE is too big to avoid.

Oh. come on, Chopper was dodging Queen's lasers just like pre-timskip Zoro, Sanji and Luffy were able to dodge pacifista's lasers without Haki. Lasers in one piece universe are extremely slow and almost everyone can dodge them with little to no effort.

 

[Garps tekkai]

Hardening is already somewhat an advanced form. Like the name says you harden it up in order to create something stronger. They can still have basic haki even w/o knowing hardening.
What the vivrecard basically does is telling us that they atleast can fight and potentially defeat logias, just like Pekoms.
Some are just trained and skilled in its usage, some not. They are more that brute force kind.