General & Others Oda needs to learn from Togashi on how to handle power ups and fights.
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Have you read HxH ? Im assuming you havent.
Gon's loss to win ratio is flip floppy. He gets more Ws as the show progresses, because he starts the show as a completely low tier noob who cant fight. As the series goes on he gets more and more wins. Even against opponents that should best him. He wins due to stategy.
His final fight was kinda Luffy-like. He got a giant PU, but unlike Luffy that PU came with consequences. He lost his nen (powers) , his giant potential and nearly his life.
Gon cant just fuck about and become looney toons lmao. He cant just be saved constantly like Luffy. HxH world is unforgiving and relentless.
Gon's loss to win ratio is flip floppy. He gets more Ws as the show progresses, because he starts the show as a completely low tier noob who cant fight. As the series goes on he gets more and more wins. Even against opponents that should best him. He wins due to stategy.
His final fight was kinda Luffy-like. He got a giant PU, but unlike Luffy that PU came with consequences. He lost his nen (powers) , his giant potential and nearly his life.
Gon cant just fuck about and become looney toons lmao. He cant just be saved constantly like Luffy. HxH world is unforgiving and relentless.
I haven't, but it seems awfully hard to explain why Gon is better. He's not as lucky except he loses his hand and gets it back. He loses his Nen. Does that seem permanent? Isn't he like 12 years old? Wasn't Luffy like 0 and 50 against his brothers back then? Luffy waited until he was seventeen because the incidents with Shanks and Sabo taught him lessons. Has Gon hit a wall where have to go train for two years to surpass his limits? Did he come out of the two years still struggling to beat mid level opponents?
Funny thing is when I think about Wano, I always draw parallels with Chimera Ant arc but instead of comparing Gon with Luffy, I do it with Kaido and Meruem.
Both are extremely powerful and something the main character seemingly cannot beat in a fair fight. But what makes Meruem far better than Kaido is
- character development
- that he does not fight against the protagonist, because he doesn't have a good reason to
If Oda needs to learn something from Togashi, it's how to write villains. Luffy is okay how he is, but sometimes I would like Oda to explore a more dark side of him just like Togashi did with Gon. But let's be honest, that's impossible if the One Piece world is not threatening enough and if his Shonen main protagonist abilities make him able to change his environment to his will. It contradicts Oda's picture of Luffy and the very basic message One Piece tries to convey.
Both are extremely powerful and something the main character seemingly cannot beat in a fair fight. But what makes Meruem far better than Kaido is
- character development
- that he does not fight against the protagonist, because he doesn't have a good reason to
If Oda needs to learn something from Togashi, it's how to write villains. Luffy is okay how he is, but sometimes I would like Oda to explore a more dark side of him just like Togashi did with Gon. But let's be honest, that's impossible if the One Piece world is not threatening enough and if his Shonen main protagonist abilities make him able to change his environment to his will. It contradicts Oda's picture of Luffy and the very basic message One Piece tries to convey.
He loses and breaks limbs to show the hardship and the struggle. Most of the times it gets injured, he doesnt even win his fights. Luffy legit heals in mere seconds and has thr most inconsistent endurance.
And yes Gon isnt lucky. Sure he gets ways by the end to heal. But im talking about during the fight. Gon literally has zero help and zero PUs in most fights.
Luffy's fighs with his brothers wrre unserious flashback fights. Thsts hardly anything to compare.
Gon has gone in training for months yes. Literally had several training arcs. Hes trained and worked more for his PL than Luffy's Gary Sue ass ever has. Sure hes never trained for 2 years. But thats because hes growth rate is high and his training is rigigourous.
And idk even know hy your bringing up training when Luffy literally jump tiers mid fights and gets free PUs. Training isnt even important for anymore. Hes grown more in fights then in training. And that logic is stupid.
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Anyways ive already explained why Gon is better in my first post. Hes less plot reliant and his fights are more sensible and make more sense.
And yes Gon isnt lucky. Sure he gets ways by the end to heal. But im talking about during the fight. Gon literally has zero help and zero PUs in most fights.
Luffy's fighs with his brothers wrre unserious flashback fights. Thsts hardly anything to compare.
Gon has gone in training for months yes. Literally had several training arcs. Hes trained and worked more for his PL than Luffy's Gary Sue ass ever has. Sure hes never trained for 2 years. But thats because hes growth rate is high and his training is rigigourous.
And idk even know hy your bringing up training when Luffy literally jump tiers mid fights and gets free PUs. Training isnt even important for anymore. Hes grown more in fights then in training. And that logic is stupid.
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Anyways ive already explained why Gon is better in my first post. Hes less plot reliant and his fights are more sensible and make more sense.
Luffy beat Doflamingo with a form that depends on haki, needed future sight to beat Katakuri and unlocked three types of advanced haki against Kaido to compete with him; in the three most difficult fights Luffy had in the series thus far Oda chose to make haki apart of it, again what I'm saying here is that this concept doesn't need to exist, it's very one dimensional, repetitive and is used by Oda as a scapegoat to make Luffy win and win in a fashion that just doesn't fit his character; Luffy should triumph because of his creativity and childlike applications of his DF, as he did in early One piece, that's what Luffy is about and haki took a lot of charm and creativity away from the story until recently with awakenings.
there was a need for there to be some sort of thing that could balance out hax DFs(albeit the twist concerning Luffy's DF greatly reduces this).
I think berserk power ups were very logical.
You have the behelit as well as weapons upgrades and magic. And none of it ever seemed BS. Guts gets the dragon slayer as well as a mechanical arm, then he gets the berserker armor, then he was about to master the berserker armor in elfhelm before miura died.
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I think berserk power ups were very logical.
You have the behelit as well as weapons upgrades and magic. And none of it ever seemed BS. Guts gets the dragon slayer as well as a mechanical arm, then he gets the berserker armor, then he was about to master the berserker armor in elfhelm before miura died.
Yes and for that he loses his nen and his life.
Compare that to Luffy who has zero consequences other than shortening his bullshit life span.
Restrictions.
Kurapika is restricted to only using his chain jail on Phantom Troupe members. Hence why its so powerful. His powers were literally forumlated to fight them solely in comparison to other Nen users who train for any opponent.
That and he caught Chrollo by suprise and pratically sneaked attack him in the dark.
Try again
Compare that to Luffy who has zero consequences other than shortening his bullshit life span.
Restrictions.
Kurapika is restricted to only using his chain jail on Phantom Troupe members. Hence why its so powerful. His powers were literally forumlated to fight them solely in comparison to other Nen users who train for any opponent.
That and he caught Chrollo by suprise and pratically sneaked attack him in the dark.
Try again
Sure. But it wouldnt be the same. His entire moveset would highly likely change into somthing else. He wouldnt be the same Gon.
Plus hed also have relearn Nen ....as his body wont magically cope to it.
That one PU would have consequences to change him entirely as a fighter and literally sets him back to level 1. Even if he gets Nen....hes fucked.
Plus hed also have relearn Nen ....as his body wont magically cope to it.
That one PU would have consequences to change him entirely as a fighter and literally sets him back to level 1. Even if he gets Nen....hes fucked.