Character Discussion Oda should’ve done a better job at portraying BB as a schemer
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Your headcanons aren't canon too, Robin gets one-shot by Doc Q, Zolo couldn't do shit just he failed ZKK vs Kaido, and they don't have a submarine so they aren't surviving Teach's sea quakes;
Nah, Robin growing limbs out of Auger is GG. What’ll he do? Teleport? Robin does it again. And the doctor is of no consequence, Robin sprouts a few arms and holds the horses wings down, they both fall into the ocean 🫡
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Blackbeard probably has "certain steps" planned that he must follow to get to the top. (get Yami Yami, get a strong crew, steal Gura Gura...) but certainly "destiny" aligns the planets so that everything turns out well.
I don't see that Blackbeard has been saved that many times.
The only time was against Magellan, but Magellan normally is shitting, the normal thing is that they wouldn't have fought.
Blackbeard probably has "certain steps" planned that he must follow to get to the top. (get Yami Yami, get a strong crew, steal Gura Gura...) but certainly "destiny" aligns the planets so that everything turns out well.
I don't see that Blackbeard has been saved that many times.
The only time was against Magellan, but Magellan normally is shitting, the normal thing is that they wouldn't have fought.
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Nope they didn't, that was 1 sea wave only vs Sea Train, without Sea Train they would get sinked as well. Teach sends multiple sea quakes, not just 1, and they don't have Sea Train to keep being on the same line.
What Jinbe, Croc, Luffy and others could do vs WB's Tsunami?
Aokiji saved them by freezing that Tsunami, and they still fall from hundreds of meters and lost their ship.
Augur is fast enough to dodge Ace and Saturn's attacks, and he can shot Robin from a distance that Robin can't even see;
Doc Q one-shots them anyways.
Anime filler is better than your insecure BB hating ass, prove that Augur couldn't beat Cracker.
Augur clowned Saturn as well, keep crying Liroyru.
Bepo told where Jean Beart can block it, Franky isn't that fast dumbass.
Doc Q one-shots Robin easy.
Teach beats Luffy and Zolo at the same time, Zolo is no factor like it was vs Kaido.
That makes you cry.
You couldn't answer my previous post now you cry lmao.
What Jinbe, Croc, Luffy and others could do vs WB's Tsunami?
Aokiji saved them by freezing that Tsunami, and they still fall from hundreds of meters and lost their ship.
Augur is fast enough to dodge Ace and Saturn's attacks, and he can shot Robin from a distance that Robin can't even see;
Doc Q one-shots them anyways.
Lmao BBPs are so trash that Lerkan is using anime filler to wank Augur
Meanwhile in the actual manga, Jean Bart tanks Augur’s shots. Franky would do the same and protect Robin so she can take out Augur
Meanwhile in the actual manga, Jean Bart tanks Augur’s shots. Franky would do the same and protect Robin so she can take out Augur
Anime filler is better than your insecure BB hating ass, prove that Augur couldn't beat Cracker.
Augur clowned Saturn as well, keep crying Liroyru.Bepo told where Jean Beart can block it, Franky isn't that fast dumbass.
Doc Q one-shots Robin easy.
Teach beats Luffy and Zolo at the same time, Zolo is no factor like it was vs Kaido.
That makes you cry.
You couldn't answer my previous post now you cry lmao.
BB is fine imo, he tries his plan which sometimes go as planned without many incidents (Marineford), sometimes go quite well in the end despite failing the original objective (Amazon lily) and sometimes simply fail (Bonney and Akainu).
Sure he is not logic proof but luck/fate can be interpreted to work in his favor. The plan to get the yami was dumb but just to a degree, actually sailing on the ship of a strong pirate had some chances to encounter the fruit, if you think about it even encountering an enemy pirate who got the fruit was like finding the fruit (because he could simply do what he did to Tatch to get it). The point is that he had to bet on a horse in order to win the race and WB was a good one despite its chances to find the df were not very big (but actually among the biggest compared to all the other choices). But the main point is fate, BB imo was fated to find the yami just like Luffy was fated to find the Nika.
The whole warlord/Impel down shopping/ Marineford gura plan worked well even if he had to relay on luck on some points, especially in Impel down with Magellan. His plan was to bring Luffy to be invited to be a shiki, Ace worked even better, actually the plot saved Luffy by BB there. What he did in Marineford was according to logic too, he waited for WB to be at death door to make his move yet WB was still too strong and his whole crew had to step in to finish WB, quite shameful but that is also part of BB character and why we love him, shameless. What didn't ring quite well is that Shanks appeared in the end, we know how much Shanks fears BB (and his potential most likely), he had a weakened BB in front of him but he simply let him go away. If he really tried he could have killed BB even if then there were good chances the marines could jump a weakened Shanks. But sacrificing his live to kill BB doesn't seem a bad bargain as Shanks knows BB potential. But plot reigns supreme.
Post time skip has been a mess, it is not like in the pre time skip were there is a logic line which starts with the Ace fight (or even better with him killing Tatch) and ends with stealing the gura. Now he is trying to get fruits here and there to get stronger, or make his crew stronger, randomly gets Coby in the way and wants to exchange him for a world noble title (this is stupid considering what he did to the navy/WG while being a warlord), there was also a supposed skirmirsh with the revos (to get what? Burgess? Doesn't seem like that) that brought to nothing (aside from the revos relocating to Ivankov island). But most likely, hopefully, this time with Garp as a card to play his plot will finally go on towards his end game..
Also him waiting for one of the 3 supernovas captains at Winner island was good. They had still to recover and 2 out of 3 actually were still not yonko level. If Oda had some guts he could have made he met Luffy and actually give some his medicine by having to deal with a BB with main character privileges. What I mean is that BB gets pushed back by Nika, his crew also doesn't fare well against Zoro and the others, yet BB sees his dream crumble before his eyes and awaken the yami as the moon god df. He pushes back Luffy who has to run, takes a copy of his road poneglyph and maybe also kills a SH aling the way. That would have made Luffy go back to earth once again and realize that even if he is Nika now he is not godly (and a signal to the readers too), establish BB threat once again because right now he feels weaker than Nika. But BB "awakening" will most likely happen later in the series. Even after Egghead if we are lucky, the elders are weakened, Kizaru has good chances to die at the end of the arc. Let's see.
Sure he is not logic proof but luck/fate can be interpreted to work in his favor. The plan to get the yami was dumb but just to a degree, actually sailing on the ship of a strong pirate had some chances to encounter the fruit, if you think about it even encountering an enemy pirate who got the fruit was like finding the fruit (because he could simply do what he did to Tatch to get it). The point is that he had to bet on a horse in order to win the race and WB was a good one despite its chances to find the df were not very big (but actually among the biggest compared to all the other choices). But the main point is fate, BB imo was fated to find the yami just like Luffy was fated to find the Nika.
The whole warlord/Impel down shopping/ Marineford gura plan worked well even if he had to relay on luck on some points, especially in Impel down with Magellan. His plan was to bring Luffy to be invited to be a shiki, Ace worked even better, actually the plot saved Luffy by BB there. What he did in Marineford was according to logic too, he waited for WB to be at death door to make his move yet WB was still too strong and his whole crew had to step in to finish WB, quite shameful but that is also part of BB character and why we love him, shameless. What didn't ring quite well is that Shanks appeared in the end, we know how much Shanks fears BB (and his potential most likely), he had a weakened BB in front of him but he simply let him go away. If he really tried he could have killed BB even if then there were good chances the marines could jump a weakened Shanks. But sacrificing his live to kill BB doesn't seem a bad bargain as Shanks knows BB potential. But plot reigns supreme.
Post time skip has been a mess, it is not like in the pre time skip were there is a logic line which starts with the Ace fight (or even better with him killing Tatch) and ends with stealing the gura. Now he is trying to get fruits here and there to get stronger, or make his crew stronger, randomly gets Coby in the way and wants to exchange him for a world noble title (this is stupid considering what he did to the navy/WG while being a warlord), there was also a supposed skirmirsh with the revos (to get what? Burgess? Doesn't seem like that) that brought to nothing (aside from the revos relocating to Ivankov island). But most likely, hopefully, this time with Garp as a card to play his plot will finally go on towards his end game..
Also him waiting for one of the 3 supernovas captains at Winner island was good. They had still to recover and 2 out of 3 actually were still not yonko level. If Oda had some guts he could have made he met Luffy and actually give some his medicine by having to deal with a BB with main character privileges. What I mean is that BB gets pushed back by Nika, his crew also doesn't fare well against Zoro and the others, yet BB sees his dream crumble before his eyes and awaken the yami as the moon god df. He pushes back Luffy who has to run, takes a copy of his road poneglyph and maybe also kills a SH aling the way. That would have made Luffy go back to earth once again and realize that even if he is Nika now he is not godly (and a signal to the readers too), establish BB threat once again because right now he feels weaker than Nika. But BB "awakening" will most likely happen later in the series. Even after Egghead if we are lucky, the elders are weakened, Kizaru has good chances to die at the end of the arc. Let's see.
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Nope they didn't, that was 1 sea wave only vs Sea Train, without Sea Train they would get sinked as well. Teach sends multiple sea quakes, not just 1, and they don't have Sea Train to keep being on the same line.
What Jinbe, Croc, Luffy and others could do vs WB's Tsunami?
Aokiji saved them by freezing that Tsunami, and they still fall from hundreds of meters and lost their ship.
Augur is fast enough to dodge Ace and Saturn's attacks, and he can shot Robin from a distance that Robin can't even see;
Doc Q one-shots them anyways.
Anime filler is better than your insecure BB hating ass, prove that Augur couldn't beat Cracker. Augur clowned Saturn as well, keep crying Liroyru.
Bepo told where Jean Beart can block it, Franky isn't that fast dumbass.
Doc Q one-shots Robin easy.
Teach beats Luffy and Zolo at the same time, Zolo is no factor like it was vs Kaido.
That makes you cry.
You couldn't answer my previous post now you cry lmao.
What Jinbe, Croc, Luffy and others could do vs WB's Tsunami?
Aokiji saved them by freezing that Tsunami, and they still fall from hundreds of meters and lost their ship.
Augur is fast enough to dodge Ace and Saturn's attacks, and he can shot Robin from a distance that Robin can't even see;
Doc Q one-shots them anyways.
Anime filler is better than your insecure BB hating ass, prove that Augur couldn't beat Cracker.
Augur clowned Saturn as well, keep crying Liroyru.Bepo told where Jean Beart can block it, Franky isn't that fast dumbass.
Doc Q one-shots Robin easy.
Teach beats Luffy and Zolo at the same time, Zolo is no factor like it was vs Kaido.
That makes you cry.
You couldn't answer my previous post now you cry lmao.
He’s inhaling as much copium as possible before it’s too late for anyone to take him seriously.
All things considered, I think Oda chose a pragmatic balance in terms of what to show and what not to show.
Blackbeard betrayed the WBP after many decades and even murdered a brother. After a betrayal that prolific, it only made sense for him to have fewer opportunities to plot and scheme, especially in the open.
In fairness, he did plenty of scheming by allying with the WG in exchange for time, protection and access, while he continued to bide his time for the opportunity to take out Whitebeard and steal his fruit.
More would've been nice, and I'm sure Oda could've made the change if he cut some of the other superfluous stuff, but I'd rather have those extra panels dedicated to other, more pressing things, like, I dunno, focusing on the SHP as a crew, like before the timeskip.
Robin is likely the perfect hard counter to Von Auger and Doc Q.
She's specialised in assassination, and she doesn’t hold back against as hardened criminals.
Just a couple of weeks ago in the story, Luffy was struggling to beat Doflamingo. Now he's a literal god and his so-called wings are on par with top tier Yonko Commanders. It's shounen, but it's still One Piece.
Blackbeard betrayed the WBP after many decades and even murdered a brother. After a betrayal that prolific, it only made sense for him to have fewer opportunities to plot and scheme, especially in the open.
In fairness, he did plenty of scheming by allying with the WG in exchange for time, protection and access, while he continued to bide his time for the opportunity to take out Whitebeard and steal his fruit.
More would've been nice, and I'm sure Oda could've made the change if he cut some of the other superfluous stuff, but I'd rather have those extra panels dedicated to other, more pressing things, like, I dunno, focusing on the SHP as a crew, like before the timeskip.
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Robin is likely the perfect hard counter to Von Auger and Doc Q.
She's specialised in assassination, and she doesn’t hold back against as hardened criminals.
Just a couple of weeks ago in the story, Luffy was struggling to beat Doflamingo. Now he's a literal god and his so-called wings are on par with top tier Yonko Commanders. It's shounen, but it's still One Piece.
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