Speculations Oda will make Smoker Kid or Law’s rival instead of Luffy’s

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#41
Depends how effective Smoker's Awakening will be, assuming that's how he will stand a chance...
He certainly wont fight Luffy with raw strength, no point in it. Now it looks hopeless for Smoker but we'll see...
Smoke is one of the weakest logias, it's user got easy diffed by base doflamingo using base armament haki... there is no way oda turns smoker into luffy's rival at this point without power creeping.

@nik87 how would you feel if tashigi became a proper fight for mihawk out of a sudden lol?
 

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#42
Smoke is one of the weakest logias, it's user got easy diffed by base doflamingo using base armament haki... there is no way oda turns smoker into luffy's rival at this point without power creeping.

@nik87 how would you feel if tashigi became a proper fight for mihawk out of a sudden lol?
Then she beats shanks
 

nik87

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#45
Smoke is one of the weakest logias, it's user got easy diffed by base doflamingo using base armament haki... there is no way oda turns smoker into luffy's rival at this point without power creeping.

@nik87 how would you feel if tashigi became a proper fight for mihawk out of a sudden lol?
Certainly looks weak on paper but there is a reason why Oda introduced smoke as the first logia, giving it narratively the most importance in the whole show. It performed quite well vs Vergo who himself is a solid fighter in CQC and Smoker outdid him there, mainly because of his smoke body. Smoker was never weak to begin with, he was in High Tier when we saw him on Punk Hazzard.

Certainly he did lose and would lose to Doffy regardless of anything but the way it happened cannot be used against him because he was just beaten up by Vergo. This is no different than Admiralbros praising Aramaki for beating up the defeated and crippled King.
There is no magic formula for Tashigi to rival Mihawk while he might have some magic formula for Smoker to rival Luffy.
 
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#46
Certainly looks weak on paper but there is a reason why Oda introduced smoke as the first logia, giving it narratively the most importance in the whole show. It performed quite well vs Vergo who himself is a solid fighter in CQC and Smoker outdid him there, mainly because of his smoke body. Smoker was never weak to begin with, he was in High Tier when we saw him on Punk Hazzard.

Certainly he did lose and would lose to Doffy regardless of anything but the way it happened cannot be used against him because he was just beaten up by Vergo. This is no different than Admiralbros praising Aramaki for beating up the defeated and crippled King.
There is no magic formula for Tashigi to rival Mihawk while he might have some magic formula for Smoker to rival Luffy.
Yonko commaders are high tier characters, do you rlly think he can win against them?

As of now, smoker doesn't even have enough damage to harm Jack..
 

nik87

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#47
Yonko commaders are high tier characters, do you rlly think he can win against them?

As of now, smoker doesn't even have enough damage to harm Jack..
I think he could beat Snack. He certainly should be on the bottom of that tier.
He aint a bad fighter, on the contrary, he out-CQCed both Law and Vergo.
However, I agree that his damage doesnt seem enough based on what we saw so far.
While he can easily tango around Jack and tag him when needed, it is really hard to see him put Jack down.
However, a little buff in firepower and he will be solid High tier, not among the strongest but good middle.
 
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I think he could beat Snack. He certainly should be on the bottom of that tier.
He aint a bad fighter, on the contrary, he out-CQCed both Law and Vergo.
However, I agree that his damage doesnt seem enough based on what we saw so far.
While he can easily tango around Jack and tag him when needed, it is really hard to see him put Jack down.
However, a little buff in firepower and he will be solid High tier, not among the strongest but good middle.
Thats the thing: smoke logia's fire power is BAD.

Smoke is good for utility and hindering movement, but that's about it.

His haki could improve, but oda would have to power creep smoker in order to get him fighting with high end high tiers, let alone have smoker posing threat to top tiers.
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Smoker stomps Jack

All he needs to do is touch him with sea stone, which he easily can, as jack is a giant elephant and nobody has had any issues landing hits on him.
Jack is durable even without his zoan, how would smoker harm him?
 

nik87

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#50
Thats the thing: smoke logia's fire power is BAD.

Smoke is good for utility and hindering movement, but that's about it.

His haki could improve, but oda would have to power creep smoker in order to get him fighting with high end high tiers, let alone have smoker posing threat to top tiers.
He is kinda like Luffy regarding that, his firepower is/was also bad.
Now that I think about it, Smoker and Coby parallel Luffy and Zoro.
Smoker is all about DF, just like Luffy. Meanwhile, Zoro and Coby are hakimen.

If Luffy's big moment was Awakening, Smoker's will be the same, I guess.
Hard to imagine anything would change but hey, it's always down to Oda's pen to make it effective...
It is not hard to be a threat to Luffy, imo. Smoker just needs to counter him somehow, like Cracker did...
 
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#51
He is kinda like Luffy regarding that, his firepower is/was also bad.
Now that I think about it, Smoker and Coby parallel Luffy and Zoro.
Smoker is all about DF, just like Luffy. Meanwhile, Zoro and Coby are hakimen.

If Luffy's big moment was Awakening, Smoker's will be the same, I guess.
Hard to imagine anything would change but hey, it's always down to Oda's pen to make it effective...
It is not hard to be a threat to Luffy, imo. Smoker just needs to counter him somehow, like Cracker did...
Luffy's power is slowly, but surely getting revealed to be about imagination aka whatever luffy wants, how is smoker supposed to counter this? I believe much more in EoS coby becoming somewhat of a threat towards pirates than smoker.

Also, pretty much all top tiers are hakimen aswell.

Only differences are plain hakimen and hakimen + DF.
 
#52
Luffy's power is slowly, but surely getting revealed to be about imagination aka whatever luffy wants, how is smoker supposed to counter this? I believe much more in EoS coby becoming somewhat of a threat towards pirates than smoker.

Also, pretty much all top tiers are hakimen aswell.

Only differences are plain hakimen and hakimen + DF.
Luffys power is about freedom. His body is free to do anything he can set his mind to.

Smokers power is about containment. His smoke suffocates and captures those that are stuck in it.

It’s a pretty good fit for Luffys main marine rival; especially once smoker awakens his fruit.
 
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#53
Luffys power is about freedom. His body is free to do anything he can set his mind to.
Yeah,and what's the power able to Grant you with unlimited freedom? Hint: you can turn into reality whatever you come up with...


Smokers power is about containment. His smoke suffocates and captures those that are stuck in it.

It’s a pretty good fit for Luffys main marine rival; especially once smoker awakens his fruit.
His haki is too inferior to affect luffy + there is no way Smoker's haki grows so much without being powercreeped.
 
#54
Yeah,and what's the power able to Grant you with unlimited freedom? Hint: you can turn into reality whatever you come up with...



His haki is too inferior to affect luffy + there is no way Smoker's haki grows so much without being powercreeped.
Smokers haki was always fine it was stronger than laws after all
 
#56
Smoker stomps Jack

All he needs to do is touch him with sea stone, which he easily can, as jack is a giant elephant and nobody has had any issues landing hits on him.
LOL
law no diffed vergo after he got his heart back and smoker had no chance against vergo .
oda could do with smoker what he did with koby and turn him very powerful with no explanation but the smoker we saw would have no chance against a yc .
 
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