Current Events Oda's handling of the F6 and Jack is exceedingly weird

[Uncle Van]

It is interesting though only because Sasaki and WsW still have dangling plot threads, but Denjiro and CP-0 can address those I guess.

My main concern is why everyone "fine" if you know what I mean (combat ready). Brook is unharmed. So is Franky. Nami and Usopp are ranged fighters so they can continue to do this. Robin is now like...fine again lol. Jinbe was never really being beaten as we saw. And Chopper is really fucking weird rn but I digress.

It's why I'm more prepared to believe he left them healthy so maaaaaybe they can be used to fend off whomever Linlin brought with her. Like it's not a fill army, it's 1 ship of pirates. I can see Luffy, Law and Kid's crews banding together to fight hers. Maybe with the help of some Samurai/Scabbards.

Not really sure, but imo it's better than fodder, even if I don't expect fully drawn out battles. It is the last big hope I have for this arc I guess.

It ain't really a new thing. The SHs have always been combat ready after every big battle; They were running around n' kicking down buildings in Alabasta; they were fighting marines in Enies Lobby; they were just fine after fighting Oars etc..

Hell...even the Scabbards were running around after taking a beating from Kaido lol

 

[Charlotte LinLin]

Jinbei was wasted on WhW in my opinion, he should have at least battled Jack

 

[AkainuTheGrimReaper]

Oda warned it would be that way. He said that he needs at least 3 chapters to give battles the proper attention, but only has the time to give them 1 chapter at most. He also said that his lack of time is why many battles in Wano will be off paneled so that he can focus on the story.

All this means is that Jack and the F6 aren't needed for the story so they got shit on.

Really did oda says? Can you give the source so I can read what oda view point on fights and off screen other fights.

 

[Paperchampion23]

It ain't really a new thing. The SHs have always been combat ready after every big battle; They were running around n' kicking down buildings in Alabasta; they were fighting marines in Enies Lobby; they were just fine after fighting Oars etc..

Hell...even the Scabbards were running around after taking a beating from Kaido lol

Not really to the level I'm talking about though. The scabbards were healed/bandaged up.

What I mean by this is how Brook got nothing and Franky isn't even hurt. Yes, Franky ran around after Enies Lobby, but look at him now, uninjured from Sasaki since his armor took the damage. He's running around as a strong asset for the fights.

Idk, just something to think about since the BMP are truly the last lingering thread this arc seems to have. Maybe it happens, maybe it doesn't and you are right.

 

[Finalbeta]

Jinbei was wasted on WhW in my opinion, he should have at least battled Jack

Would have loved that. Actually I wished he could try to take out Queen although I think Queen would have likely prevailed after a very tough fight xd

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

Tbh, while at one point while I believed this, the narration of these guys being defeated does it in for me. I mean, it's possible for sure, but I think the marked toughness should have been far better communicated outside of the Queen, King and Kaido have been during their current fights.

It's why I personally think natural progression might mean involving Big Mom's crew now. It's been 50 chapters since we last saw them, which was 50 chapters since we saw them initially arrive in Wano. One thing I've been curious about is where they are currently if Lucci's side doesn't run into them (maybe he does though). If they aren't there, then it might mean they made it up over the Hakumai entrance hours ago and have been following the island since.

Otherwise keeping everybody as healthy as they are is quite baffling tbh. But i guess I see 3 options from this point on:

- They fight fodder and keep running around (highest chance at this point)

- They fight BMP members (with Law and Kid's crews) to prevent them from turning the tide on the battle

- The Beast Pirates get back up miraculously, contrary to the narrator's dialogue.

Idk man, this whole situation has been weirdly done, and strays far off the beaten path in terms of how arcs are typically written. The raid in and of itself has gone WAY too smoothly. Like all the stars have aligned in favor of the protagonists, and that typically never happens. We STILL haven't even gotten the major threat/ticking timebomb panic of the arc yet, as the people of the Flower Capital don't even know Onigashima is looming on the horizon. I have no clue where Oda is going with all this, but I am trying to remain optimistic that the curveball is still to come.

 

[Uncle Van]

Really did oda says? Can you give the source so I can read what oda view point on fights and off screen other fights.

https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...scaling-debates-in-one-piece.1879/post-141754

Not really to the level I'm talking about though. The scabbards were healed/bandaged up.

What I mean by this is how Brook got nothing and Franky isn't even hurt. Yes, Franky ran around after Enies Lobby, but look at him now, uninjured from Sasaki since his armor took the damage. He's running around as a strong asset for the fights.

Idk, just something to think about since the BMP are truly the last lingering thread this arc seems to have. Maybe it happens, maybe it doesn't and you are right.

I get what you mean. Franky for example is mostly unscathed after fighting Sasaki but in DR, he had to perform repairs on himself after fighting Senor Pink, his arsenal almost fully depleted.

Just gotta hope something big happens like an Oars type of deal when Moriah's executives were beaten.

 

[sanjikun]

Jinbei was wasted on WhW in my opinion, he should have at least battled Jack

There is 0 proof Jack is stronger than WW. WW seemed much more apt and versatile. Jack didnt even show basic hardening.

Killer is clearly stronger than Franky/Robin/Nami and he fought a basic "Headliner" in Hawkins. Rank =/= automatically strength.

 

[DarkWitch]

I enjoyed Jinbe vs Who Who for the most part, Franky vs Sasaki was ok but out of all the Tobi Roppo fights that fight is probably my least favorite.

Robin vs Black Maria imo is the best Tobi Roppo, that fight was handled very well and much more better compared to the other Tobi Roppo fights.

Ulti and Page One vs Nami and Usopp didn't even feel like an actual fight, it was mainly Ulti and Page One chasing after them, and Nami and Usopp trying to defend themselves. Big Mom defeating Page One instead of Usopp was horrible, and even though Nami defeated Ulti at the end it was only because Big Mom severely nerfed her.

Jack's treatment in the Wano arc was horrible, his fight on the roof was off screened and his 1v1 against Inu was also off screened.

We could have had a chapter focused on Inu vs Jack but instead we just get a chapter where Jack is quickly defeated, seeing someone like Jack who was the first Calamity revealed and also the first character revealed to have a bounty in the billions having a very underwhelming treatment in the Wano arc is just really disappointing to see.

What's even worse for Jack other than a majority of his fight being off screened is that he showed zero named attacks, and also didn't show any haki.

Overall I think Oda just wants to move on and try to finish the Wano arc soon, which is why some of those fights wrapped up quickly.

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

Jack's treatment is unforgivable.

 

[Necrohol]

I hated how they were handled. Nami should have unlocked COO and won with ber Zeus clima tact. Usopp should have unlocked COA and supercharged his pop greens with them. I'll be disappointed if Usopp doesn't get some screentime.

 

[DarkWitch]

Still fully expect every single on of them to get back up. Durability and recovery is supposed to be Zoan's specialty. It'd be pretty suspect if that doesn't come into play AT ALL, during an arc filled with Zoans.

Do you want this arc to go on for another one hundred chapters? When Lucci, Kaku, and Jabra were defeated it's not like they got back up after their defeat and had rematch fights. The Tobi Roppo and Jack are done and we even got a narration box saying they are done, just accept it and move on.

Having them come back and having rematch fights would only drag the Wano arc even longer, and I really don't think Oda is going to do that unless you think the Tobi Roppo and Jack will play a different role then maybe I could see them come back.

The only two I could maybe see come back are Who's Who because one of the CP0 agents most likely went after him, and Page One because maybe Oda still wants to have a shining moment for either Usopp or Chopper by having one of them defeat Page One.

 

[ShadyOjiro]

K/Q fights are "long" because they've barely had any panel time up to Onigashima. Jack already had it beforehand. And F6 just aren't relevant enough.

Obviously, Z v. S will happen. That was a major plot point.

Zoro has a shit ton of panels in wano I remember .

Is not even a subplot point bud.

 

[Fn Lucci]

I feel like people are stuck between complaining how repetitive Oda is and complaining about how randomly he changes things. I might be happy if he never does that varsity lineup type battle arc again, although its prominence is hilariously exaggerated. It's like the Mandela effect or something. People expect 8/10 if not all Straw Hats to find some Shelbyville goons to trade goofy pun attacks with for two chapters, then level up for some big finish with a DON moment to reflect their role in the arc.

One Piece is so damn long and that monotony describes so little of it. Oda quickly abandons ideas to start new ones, so the pacing is strange. We're waiting to catch up to worthless shit like Raizo's fight and it's exhausting. But at the same time, it takes talent to juggle the amount of characters he has, and the action beats are fine because it's not just another martial arts shonen.

Jack managed to hold down about 20 volumes as an antagonist. He's like a Berserk version of Buggy. Jack and Peros had perfect defeats for the roles they've played, forecasted each well before the raid section of the arc

Who's Who is indeed a good rival for CP9 Lucci... but he got into a fight with Jinbe. Of course he got stomped.

Sasaki likewise had to fight the true Franky, the Vegapunk boosted Franky. The one we simply haven't seen in a real fight since the timeskip. Bounty five times larger but he gets smoked

Robin fight kinda sucked imo, but at least Oda made it so that she finally got a dedicated opponent.

Killer's fight was visually excellent and it's impressive that we have so many opponents to spar. The last four fights or so, not counting CP0, will be great I think.

 

[Shiroyru]

I really wish that Oda had just gone this route:

Usopp vs Page One is an actual fight and Usopp wins by getting a power up (CoA?)

Nami vs Ulti should have just been better written in general

Franky vs Sasaki should have lasted for longer, and Franky should have unlocked CoA

Robin vs Maria was pretty good, but Robin also should have unlocked Haki

Instead of Jinbe vs WsW, it should have been Brook vs WsW, and Brook wins after unlocking CoO. At first, I was fine with this fight not happening since it seemed like Brook might have been able to fight CP0, but he got shafted there too and is seemingly getting no fight.

Chopper and Carrot vs Perospero instead of Neko trashing him.

Inu and Neko vs Jack. I don’t get why Oda didn’t let both of them get their revenge.

Jinbe vs Smoothie. Both rely on water heavily, and this could have been a good chance to show us what Jinbe is capable of when fighting near the ocean. I would have set this up by having Jinbe jump off of Onigashima in order to save Luffy from drowning, instead of having the Heart Pirates conveniently find him. At that moment, the BMP finally climb up the waterfall, and Jinbe has to protect Luffy from Smoothie while he’s recovering. Also, the Heart Pirates could take out the rest of the BMP on the Chanter in order to make Law’s crew actually look decent and not like total fodder.

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

Do you want this arc to go on for another one hundred chapters? When Lucci, Kaku, and Jabra were defeated it's not like they got back up after their defeat and had rematch fights. The Tobi Roppo and Jack are done and we even got a narration box saying they are done, just accept it and move on.

Having them come back and having rematch fights would only drag the Wano arc even longer, and I really don't think Oda is going to do that unless you think the Tobi Roppo and Jack will play a different role then maybe I could see them come back.

The only two I could maybe see come back are Who's Who because one of the CP0 agents most likely went after him, and Page One because maybe Oda still wants to have a shining moment for either Usopp or Chopper by having one of them defeat Page One.

Do you honestly think that if Oda had them get back up, it would extend the arc another 100 chapters? Jack is still owed a punch in the face by Luffy. WsW still has an unresolved plotline with Cipher Pol. Page One had the most lackluster defeat, if you can even call it that. Sasaki has unfinished business with Denjiro.

We've seen Apoo, Kanjuro, the Scabbards, and Orochi get back up multiple times already. Yet here are Ancient Zoans who are heralded for their durability and recovery getting the one and done?

There is plenty of ways that Oda can put these guys back down after having them get back up. They don't have to do anything super fancy, or start any new long winded fights. Just showcasing their Zoan abilities is fine, even if they quickly get taken back down.

 

[Fuckthis3]

They will get wrapped up into their own plotlines

Usopp vs weakened ulti and weakened page one

Jinbe with the fire kanjuro set ablaze

Robin and brook will go for the poneglypth

Etc.

Big mom pirates won’t be defeated by straw hats lmao. It’s straw hats vs beast pirates for a reason.

Also if anything in my opinion killer is fighting smoothie because his captain is fighting big mom.

Yamatos role is the bombs.

Oda will 100% drag out these plot lines

Your post got ruined cus of that first sentence

 

[Weeman]

Page One will come back
Page One will fight Usopp and teach him CoC at last

 

[Fuckthis3]

Do you honestly think that if Oda had them get back up, it would extend the arc another 100 chapters? Jack is still owed a punch in the face by Luffy. WsW still has an unresolved plotline with Cipher Pol. Page One had the most lackluster defeat, if you can even call it that. Sasaki has unfinished business with Denjiro.

We've seen Apoo, Kanjuro, the Scabbards, and Orochi get back up multiple times already. Yet here are Ancient Zoans who are heralded for their durability and recovery getting the one and done?

There is plenty of ways that Oda can put these guys back down after having them get back up. They don't have to do anything super fancy, or start any new long winded fights. Just showcasing their Zoan abilities is fine, even if they quickly get taken back down.

Or maybe you don't want accept that apoo stronger than them scabbards stronger than them even Jack says it lol Kanjuro stronger plus kiku held back and didn't want kill him and he had energy to run around then stab kiku and for orochi you know you gotta cut him more than 9 times Right?

 

[sanjikun]

Do you honestly think that if Oda had them get back up, it would extend the arc another 100 chapters? Jack is still owed a punch in the face by Luffy. WsW still has an unresolved plotline with Cipher Pol. Page One had the most lackluster defeat, if you can even call it that. Sasaki has unfinished business with Denjiro.

We've seen Apoo, Kanjuro, the Scabbards, and Orochi get back up multiple times already. Yet here are Ancient Zoans who are heralded for their durability and recovery getting the one and done?

There is plenty of ways that Oda can put these guys back down after having them get back up. They don't have to do anything super fancy, or start any new long winded fights. Just showcasing their Zoan abilities is fine, even if they quickly get taken back down.

The Straw Hats won. These were their major fights. The announcements were all made. They're not gonna go back when they're dealing with CP0 and other shit.