Chapter Discussion Oden is 100% Samurai Luffy

Its interesting to see fans of both sides fighting over Oden due to their love for this character, lol. We are witnessing the journey of the best OP character introduced post-TS.

On topic, I think Oden has more similarity to Luffy than Zoro. I dont really like finding similarities between characters with CoC, VOAT, Enma, swordsmanship etc. Those can definitely be used for parallels, but they dont present a strong argument in my opinion.

In my opinion, the strong arguments for Luffy-Oden parallel is their carefree attitude + adventure lust and unconventional leadership + charisma.

Firstly, Zoro is serious type when it comes to duty and responsibility. He is a hardworking guy while Luffy is more of a fun loving carefree type of character who values adventure and freedom above anything else. For example, in little garden, Luffy immediately jumps out of the ship for adventure!
Zoro also went out, but he wasnt really excited or passionate about knowing a new place. Similarly, in Skypea, Zoro was the last one to come out of the ship while everyone else was already on the beach excited about an island made of fluffy clouds.

Their attitude kind of reflects their goals. In OP verse, only a dreamer with a passion for adventure and love for freedom can become the pirate king. In that respect, Oden is more like Luffy as Oda emphasized several times already how Oden valued adventure and freedom.

Secondly, Oda highlighted Luffy-Oden's stand against prejudice that people have towards creatures that looks different. Oden beat up people for minks and a fishmen. Luffy didnt hesitate to bring a reindeer to his crew and fight for the fishman. This is not a bad point, but the thing is I dont really believe any strawhat has prejudice, I cant imagine a situation where a fishman is getting beaten and Zoro casually passes by without doing nothing.

To me, the difference lies in the fact that Luffy has a strange charisma so people like to work for him and follow him. This is not a conventional leadership skill. Luffy can see things or judge a character that cant be explained with any normal logic. For example, he knew from heart Nami didnt kill Usopp at Arlong Park while Zoro wasnt really sure. He knew from heart Chopper will join them while Zoro believed he wont.
I am not saying Zoro doesnt have leadership skills. He has displayed his leadership several times. In fact, he will be a better leader in the real world to be honest. However, in OP verse, Luffy has this strange power that turns people into his allies. Mihawk labelled it as the most dangerous power in the sea.

In this respect, Oden is more like Luffy. The people of Wano wanted to follow him in his adventures. The girls he kidnapped did not want to leave him. WB crew immediately loved him and rooted for him. Shanks and Buggy are also his fan. This man also seem to possess the mysterious power that Mihawk mentioned. He is one of those dudes who always becomes the center of attention in a party or in a public gathering. Thats what makes him and Luffy similar and different from Zoro.

Having said that, Zoro and Luffy also have many similarities. They are both very competitive.
They both value honor in a battle. They probably understand each other better than anybody else in the crew. They are so similar that they almost say the same things.
Thats why I dont really care about who parallels Oden more. Lets not ruin Oden's character with silly debates so some people start to dislike him.
 
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Cyrus the Cactus

Mihawk Reigns Supreme
Its interesting to see fans of both sides fighting over Oden due to their love for this character, lol. We are witnessing the journey of the best OP character introduced post-TS.

On topic, I think Oden has more similarity to Luffy than Zoro. I dont really like finding similarities between characters with CoC, VOAT, Enma, swordsmanship etc. Those can definitely be used for parallels, but they dont present a strong argument in my opinion.

In my opinion, the strong arguments for Luffy-Oden parallel is their carefree attitude + adventure lust and unconventional leadership + charisma.

Firstly, Zoro is serious type when it comes to duty and responsibility. He is a hardworking guy while Luffy is more of a fun loving carefree type of character who values adventure and freedom above anything else. For example, in little garden, Luffy immediately jumps out of the ship for adventure!
Zoro also went out, but he wasnt really excited or passionate about knowing a new place. Similarly, in Jaya, Zoro was the last one to come out of the ship while everyone else was already on the beach excited about an island made of fluffy clouds.

Their attitude kind of reflects their goals. In OP verse, only a dreamer with a passion for adventure and love for freedom can become the pirate king. In that respect, Oden is more like Luffy as Oda emphasized several times already how Oden valued adventure and freedom.

Secondly, Oda highlighted Luffy-Oden's stand against prejudice that people have towards creatures that looks different. Oden beat up people for minks and a fishmen. Luffy didnt hesitate to bring a reindeer to his crew and fight for the fishman. This is not a bad point, but the thing is I dont really believe any strawhat has prejudice, I cant imagine a situation where a fishman is getting beaten and Zoro casually passes by without doing nothing.

To me, the difference lies in the fact that Luffy has a strange charisma so people like to work for him and follow him. This is not a conventional leadership skill. Luffy can see things or judge a character that cant be explained with any normal logic. For example, he knew from heart Nami didnt kill Usopp at Arlong Park while Zoro wasnt really sure. He knew from heart Chopper will join them while Zoro believed he wont.
I am not saying Zoro doesnt have leadership skills. He has displayed his leadership several times. In fact, he will be a better leader in the real world to be honest. However, in OP verse, Luffy has this strange power that turns people into his allies. Mihawk labelled it as the most dangerous power in the sea.

In this respect, Oden is more like Luffy. The people of Wano wanted to follow him in his adventures. The girls he kidnapped did not want to leave him. WB crew immediately loved him and rooted for him. Shanks and Buggy are also his fan. These man also seem to have the same mysterious power that Mihawk mentioned to turn people around him his allies.

Having said that, Zoro and Luffy also have many similarities. They are both very competitive.
They both value honor in a battle. They probably understand each other better than anybody else in the crew. They are so similar that they almost say the same things.
Thats why I dont really care about who parallels Oden more. Lets not ruin Oden's character with silly debates so that some people start to dislike him.
I'm gonna post something from the Zoro FC that just kinda came to me when I was bored at work:

Oda seems to be making Oden and Zoro walk on similar paths, but Zoro's path is darker and more violent. Maybe to mirror Wano's status?

  • In your example with Mihawk/Zoro and WB/Oden, the Mihawk/Zoro interaction is painted with blood, while WB/Oden is a fun filled adventure
  • Tougen Shiratoki/Rengoku Onigiri - Paradise Waterfall, used in a time when the environment was beautiful and pristine and Wano was at peace, Purgatory Demon Cutter, used in a time when Wano has been ravaged by Kaido and Orochi's factories and the people of Wano are wallowing in misery
  • Oden and Toki's meeting is used for comedic relief, Zoro and Hiyori's sets up the tragedy of Yasu's death and ended with Zoro getting stabbed in the shoulder
  • Speaking of Yasu, in his flashback with Oden prior to his execution, Yasu is a young, healthy, powerful, and stern man telling the irresponsible and free spirited Oden that he needs to get his shit together; at Ebisu town, Yasu is an old, decrepit, weak, and merry man telling the stern and stoic Zoro to lighten up and smile, since smiling is a "power" that humans have.
  • Then there's the swords - both have a set of blades that correspond to light/dark, but Zoro's "light" sword was made by Kozaburo and his "dark" sword by Hitetsu, while Oden's "light" sword was made by Hitetsu and his "dark" by Kozaburo.
Might mean something, might not, but it's interesting to think about I feel. :kayneshrug:
 
Luffy is the Oden of this generation. Everything, from Warlord falling to the WG falling inlcuding Blackbeard being an Emperor is because of him.

Without Luffy, Blackbeard would not be an Emperor.
 
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Just reread the chapter
The dude is so adventurous
He even says the more he went, the more he couldn't keep his desire to explore
 
I can't come to agree with everything in the OP. Just like others said already he is quite rough and doesn't have a lot of manners (I mean Luffy doesn't have many either but he doesn't do as horrible things as BBQing on some person's corpse which was just not okay). He is adventurous and has good charisma and all, and even if there are lots of resemblances I definitely can't quite see Oden similar to Luffy :catsweat:
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Luffy: completely asexual
Oden: fathers 2 children while on a pirate ship with a girl from 800y ago

Luffy: wants to be free
Oden: becomes an underling so he can travel

they are so alike, are they not.
yeah right that too!! I agree!! :hurry:
 
I can't come to agree with everything in the OP. Just like others said already he is quite rough and doesn't have a lot of manners (I mean Luffy doesn't have many either but he doesn't do as horrible things as BBQing on some person's corpse which was just not okay). He is adventurous and has good charisma and all, and even if there are lots of resemblances I definitely can't quite see Oden similar to Luffy :catsweat:
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yeah right that too!! I agree!! :hurry:
Luffy inherited Rogers and Odens will.

Whitebeard said Luffy will be carrying multiple years of history on his back.



Keep in mind Roger and Shanks are Swordsman.

The test Whitebeard did to Oden after he used his Conquerors Haki is similar to the test Boa Hancock put Luffy through after he used Conquerors Hak.

The test where Luffy had to pick between saving Margurite or taking a boat to leave Amazon lily.

Luffy chose to save Margaurite and Sweet Pea.

He was then rewarded by Hancock like Oden was rewarded by Whitebeard.

Luffy has stated he has Zero navigational skills like Oden
Kozuki clan are secret D's like Laws family.

Oden is 100% Samurai Luffy.

Oden is exactly like Luffy with a different fighting style.

1)Oden is obsessed with freedom like Luffy. He always wanted to be a pirate since he was a child like Luffy.

2)Oden has Conquerors Haki like Luffy

3)Oden has Voice of All Things like Luffy

4) Oden has Charisma to attract allies like Luffy and charm people

5)Oden was age 19 when he took over Udon and defeated Shutenmaru like, Luffy is age 19 right now taking out the Yonko.

6)Oden became Damaiyo at age 20, like Luffy will become Pirate King at age 20.

7) Oden has 9 Scabbards like Luffy has 9 Strawhats.

8) He causes chaos wherever he goes like Luffy.

9) Zero Navigational skills, kir Luffy

10) His trademark catchphrase" It's too Cramped"was said by Luffy in Dressrossa.

11) He likes Adventure like Luffy


There has not been 1 place Luffy has visited without being in chaos, just like Oden.
 
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