Chapter Discussion Official English Translation Of "Controversial" Part Of This Chapter
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I replied to them all countless times, I dont expect you to see reason if I reply a couple of more times, it has never been your strong suit.
I already answered that - Queen targetted the entire battlefield and Drake and Zoro are the strongest in it.
Is Sanji mentioned because he is showing his strength in front of Queen or because he is son of Judge? Let's see you answer that.
I already answered that - Queen targetted the entire battlefield and Drake and Zoro are the strongest in it.
Is Sanji mentioned because he is showing his strength in front of Queen or because he is son of Judge? Let's see you answer that.
And I did answer you.
We can easily say Zoro was mentioned due to Queen wanting to know who he is. We interpret Zoro is called 2nd/3rd strongest because thats mentioned straight after him. But Queen never actually explicitiy said that Zoro is that.
Same way we can interpret that hes talking about Sanji being 2nd/3rd strongest due to him looking at the bounties of both Zoro and Sanji whilst saying it.
Offiically part =/= officially known. Unless we have direct evidence that Queen knows about Jinbe joining, then it's like Bartolomeo missing Brook's wanted by the time he set sail because he wasn't known as a member.
They aren't his only enemies, but if Queen is indeed talking about the crew, which is likely considering that he's looking at Zoro and Sanji wanteds, then the rest of the alliance is irrelevant there.
They aren't his only enemies, but if Queen is indeed talking about the crew, which is likely considering that he's looking at Zoro and Sanji wanteds, then the rest of the alliance is irrelevant there.
Yeah yeah, thanks to official translation (official among my fandom), now Queen has confirmed that Judge's son is the second strongest in the crew, and his word is a gospel that is impossible to be wrong.
Queen's words = Oda's words, Queen = One Piece character -> One Piece character's words = Oda's words.
Guess what?
Pica said he can take care of Pirates and Marines in Dressrosa. So according to logic here, Pica now can take care the combined forces of Admiral Fujitora, Luffy, Law, Jesus Burgess, and Grand Fleet Captains. Not Zoro though since it has been debunked in manga.
And Mont Dor and his Enraged Army can capture the likes of Roger.
Queen's words = Oda's words, Queen = One Piece character -> One Piece character's words = Oda's words.
Guess what?
Pica said he can take care of Pirates and Marines in Dressrosa. So according to logic here, Pica now can take care the combined forces of Admiral Fujitora, Luffy, Law, Jesus Burgess, and Grand Fleet Captains. Not Zoro though since it has been debunked in manga.
And Mont Dor and his Enraged Army can capture the likes of Roger.
If Queen is just considering the battlefield in front of him and Drake and Zoro are the 2nd and the 3rd strongest, who is the 1st? 
Are you literally blind or what? You didnt see Queen shooting at Zoro?
Why did he mention Zoro this chapter?
Precisely, Zoro is mention because Queen wanted to know who the guy next to Drake is.
Why is that guy next to Drake of Queen's interest? Because he is son of judge or because he is showing his strength?
Sanji is only mentioned as son of Judge, thanks to Vinsmoke name.
Now, to the trick question that @Jackteo mentioned. Who is their number 1 that needs to be taken out and why Queen didnt mention him?
Drop the headcanons, he was literally in the entire crew line-up on that battlefield couple of chapters ago.
Queen is talking about the entire enemies nr2 and nr3. Why would he single out only part of the enemies, lol?
He isnt talking about SH crew, he only mentions son of Judge as part of the group that is the enemy to Beast Pirates.
Are you literally blind or what? You didnt see Queen shooting at Zoro?
Are you so ignorant not to see that ?
Why did he mention Zoro this chapter?
Precisely, Zoro is mention because Queen wanted to know who the guy next to Drake is.
Why is that guy next to Drake of Queen's interest? Because he is son of judge or because he is showing his strength?
Sanji is only mentioned as son of Judge, thanks to Vinsmoke name.
Now, to the trick question that @Jackteo mentioned. Who is their number 1 that needs to be taken out and why Queen didnt mention him?
Precisely, Zoro is mention because Queen wanted to know who the guy next to Drake is.
Why is that guy next to Drake of Queen's interest? Because he is son of judge or because he is showing his strength?
Sanji is only mentioned as son of Judge, thanks to Vinsmoke name.
Now, to the trick question that @Jackteo mentioned. Who is their number 1 that needs to be taken out and why Queen didnt mention him?
You don't need to directly attack a specific opponent for it to be an ad hominem. This fallacy revolves around diminishing the value of an argument by appealing to personal, albeit irrelevant, characteristics of the individual or group defending it. In this case, his simplification by generalization is focused on creating a diversion from the actual position of the opponents, which is questioning the validity of this piece of translation, and disregarding it by appealing to a personal characteristic in order to reduce their credibility (in this case, their supposed double standards). What he's doing isn't that different from poisoning the well, a type of ad hominen fallacy which doesn't necessarily address a specific individual but a group they truly or allegedly belong to and, by distorting their credibility in advance, diminishes their positions for the time the actual, specific individual makes their point.
At the end of the day, as I understand it he's doing this: "Sanji fans are hypocrites, therefore this specific argument by a Sanji fan isn't credible/valid". And that's an ad hominen.
At the end of the day, as I understand it he's doing this: "Sanji fans are hypocrites, therefore this specific argument by a Sanji fan isn't credible/valid". And that's an ad hominen.
If Queen is just considering the battlefield in front of him and Drake and Zoro are the 2nd and the 3rd strongest, who is the 1st?
But regardless it could even be bounty related for all we know which would not matter.
Or for sure if it's a power level thing, Queen's knowledge over Zoro is extremely limited hence way way far-fetched.
I just confirmed the dialogue with my informer who supplies oda with ivankov figurines. He said that one of oda's editors made a mistake and the dialogue will be fixed in volumne release.
The actual dialogue was supposed to be for ussop and nami and he wants them to be taken out quickly so that they won't cause any problems. Especially since tama is ready to tame BM and Kaido.
The actual dialogue was supposed to be for ussop and nami and he wants them to be taken out quickly so that they won't cause any problems. Especially since tama is ready to tame BM and Kaido.