Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1001 Spoilers Discussion
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If you get a DF is that a PU? Everybody will say yes. But it's not like you are able to controll it perfectly, you need time to learn and master it. Just because you have to get used to something, doesn't mean it's not a PU. So shusui was not a PU because Zoro had to get used to it? But it instantly made him stronger. The extra weight made his attacks more heavy and it literaly combined Zoro's attack and made it stronger. And that was the only time Zoro ever mentioned anything about needing to get used to it. After this, he had no problem with the sword. And this was literaly a few minutes after he got the blade.
With Enma, Zoro had over 1 weak of training time.
I guess G2/G3, DJ etc. are not PU's aswell, because they had to come up with these abilities and learn to use them. It's not like they just pulled them out of nowhere and could controll them.
What is the point of sword grades with it's all the same? A swordsman gets stronger with a better sword - THAT'S A FACT. I don't know what you guys are spinning everything around for? Would a random normal sword boost Zoro as Enma did? Never.
Enma is a high quality sword with magical abilities - you can't compare that to any sword.
With Enma, Zoro had over 1 weak of training time.
I guess G2/G3, DJ etc. are not PU's aswell, because they had to come up with these abilities and learn to use them. It's not like they just pulled them out of nowhere and could controll them.
What is the point of sword grades with it's all the same? A swordsman gets stronger with a better sword - THAT'S A FACT. I don't know what you guys are spinning everything around for? Would a random normal sword boost Zoro as Enma did? Never.
Enma is a high quality sword with magical abilities - you can't compare that to any sword.
The idea that Killer was mentally compromised during his fight with Zoro has been unsubstantiated from the very beginning and contradicts the latest chapter. Killer credits his lack of weapons for his defeat, not some imaginary mental handicap.
The claim that he was tortured by Orochi is also simply not true. It never happened.
Linlin was not mentioned, stop inserting her.
The four Kaido saw in Luffy's shadow were the four who defeated him.
Majority of Zoro fans did not say that, nor do they believe that.'
Sources:
It's getting annoying at this point. The position you mentioned (the scythes made Killer stronger instead of weaker) was held by only a handful of people.
As I told @Jo_Ndule:
It's not looking good for Law either, all he did was drop rocks on Kaido. Unless you want to imply that dropping rocks actually damaged Kaido or matches Boundman's power, Law had the weakest offensive showing this chapter.
At this point it's not clear that there's a gap between current Zoro and Shusui Zoro (especially given that Shusui was a black blade). I do think that over the fight Zoro will acclimatise to Enma and start dishing out more powerful attacks. If Killer performs on par with a Zoro that has fully acclimatised to Enma (assuming this happens during the battle), then that would be favourable portrayal for him compared to Pre Enma Zoro.
At any rate, Law's combo attack with Luffy was dropping rocks on Kaido. Unless you're claiming that dropping rocks = Kong Gun with internal destruction ryuo, then you can't infer that Killer has equal AP to Zoro just because he performed a combination attack with him.
I don't see how Zoro getting paired with Killer is supposedly an L for him. After Luffy Zoro has had the best performance of the three:
but how has Kidd outperformed Zoro here?
Luffy's feats:
Those are just the people that beat Kaido.
But unlike Kidd, Zoro recognised what he saw. Kidd didn't even know what happened. Zoro recognised it as the form of haki Luffy was training.
Zoro said the result would still be the same. Killer gets oneshot by his first clean hit against a Santoryu Zoro. Gaining his weapons wouldn't suddenly raise his durability or endurance.
That said I'd give Killer the win over Nitoryu Zoro.
The claim that he was tortured by Orochi is also simply not true. It never happened.
Linlin was not mentioned, stop inserting her.
The four Kaido saw in Luffy's shadow were the four who defeated him.
Majority of Zoro fans did not say that, nor do they believe that.'
Sources:
- I made the "was Killer nerfed thread"
- I'm active in the Zoro fanclub and Discord server.
It's getting annoying at this point. The position you mentioned (the scythes made Killer stronger instead of weaker) was held by only a handful of people.
U still making these idiot claims? Both can an will hurt Kaido. The sooner u realize the easier it’ll be grasp the rest of the fight.But knowing you, you’ll just say something random or wrong. Similar to how killer wasn’t nerfed or enma wasn’t a PU
- Oni Giri is his most basic santoryu attack
- Zoro has not yet mastered Enma
- Zoro hasn't brought out Asura
It's not looking good for Law either, all he did was drop rocks on Kaido. Unless you want to imply that dropping rocks actually damaged Kaido or matches Boundman's power, Law had the weakest offensive showing this chapter.
If Killer with his proper weapons performs similarly to post Enma Zoro, what does that say about said Killer vs pre Enma Zoro ? :kizabat:
I don't know if we can discuss this though, might mean we hate Zoro if we do
I don't know if we can discuss this though, might mean we hate Zoro if we do
- Well, Zoro just indicated that he has not yet mastered Enma's power.
- Zoro told us that he would become stronger after mastering Enma.
At this point it's not clear that there's a gap between current Zoro and Shusui Zoro (especially given that Shusui was a black blade). I do think that over the fight Zoro will acclimatise to Enma and start dishing out more powerful attacks. If Killer performs on par with a Zoro that has fully acclimatised to Enma (assuming this happens during the battle), then that would be favourable portrayal for him compared to Pre Enma Zoro.
At any rate, Law's combo attack with Luffy was dropping rocks on Kaido. Unless you're claiming that dropping rocks = Kong Gun with internal destruction ryuo, then you can't infer that Killer has equal AP to Zoro just because he performed a combination attack with him.
It's hillarious that we get called haters for suggesting that Kid and Law will probably outperform Zoro while in the chapter we have Zoro talking shit and showing rivalry to Kidd's underling
Even said underling suggesting he can match Zoro
Even said underling suggesting he can match Zoro
but how has Kidd outperformed Zoro here?
Luffy's feats:
- The Yonkou were focused on him last chapter.
- His Red Roc rattled Kaido and earned him a compliment.
- Kaido saw the shadow of the other formidable opponents he faced in Luffy
- He partially dodged a Rammei Hakkei.
- He attacked Kaido and hurt with a Boundman attack.
- He cut Big Mom's Heavenly Fire and saved Luffy from an attack
- He attacked Kaido and hurt him with Rengoku Onigiri
- He attacked Kaido and might have hurt him
HOW THE FK DID I MISS THIS IMAO ADD ANOTHER L TO THE LIST
ZoroLards- ZORO IS ODEN HE IS THE MIRROR SPLITING IMAGE OF ODEN, ODEN 2.0 , ZODEN, MY LORD , GRANDMASTER
Redon - As Kaidou looks at Luffy, he sees the shadows of Roger, Whitebeard, Oden and Rocks behind him (we can't see Rocks in detail).
ZoroLards-
ZoroLards- ZORO IS ODEN HE IS THE MIRROR SPLITING IMAGE OF ODEN, ODEN 2.0 , ZODEN, MY LORD , GRANDMASTER
Redon - As Kaidou looks at Luffy, he sees the shadows of Roger, Whitebeard, Oden and Rocks behind him (we can't see Rocks in detail).
ZoroLards-
But unlike Kidd, Zoro recognised what he saw. Kidd didn't even know what happened. Zoro recognised it as the form of haki Luffy was training.
Zoro said the result would still be the same. Killer gets oneshot by his first clean hit against a Santoryu Zoro. Gaining his weapons wouldn't suddenly raise his durability or endurance.
That said I'd give Killer the win over Nitoryu Zoro.
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