Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1003 Spoilers Discussion
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The guy needs to be exercised asap.
"Luffy >>>> Zoro, Zoro is nother near close to Luffy:yasu:"
*Zoro proceeds to outshine Luffy in a chapter*
"REEEEEEEEEEEEE Luffy is useless, what an useless MC, Zoro>Luffy, i cant take this!!!!"
CALM DOWN PEOPLE, GODDAMIT
Zoro was always not far from Luffy when it comes to power, things never changed you just thought they did after marineford and the TS.
*Zoro proceeds to outshine Luffy in a chapter*
"REEEEEEEEEEEEE Luffy is useless, what an useless MC, Zoro>Luffy, i cant take this!!!!"
CALM DOWN PEOPLE, GODDAMITZoro was always not far from Luffy when it comes to power, things never changed you just thought they did after marineford and the TS.
I've been telling you all, since WCI I was saying that one piece is done. I couldn't defend Oda after Meme's amnesia in Wano, before that I at least hoped Oda would improve but he didn't.
In a fight for PK throne (and these are not my words, it's Kaido who said it)...
...Zoro is leading the pack. By throwing Zoro in the fight against two Emperors Oda just confirmed how useless and Pointless Luffy's dream is. Zoro has ZERO and I reapet ZERO connection to the PK title, Zoro doesn't wanna become the PK and he isn't even a pairet. Zoro hasn't fought against any YC, Zoro didn't train as much as Luffy and he's still better than Luffy. Luffy is the trash of the century, he can only talk Big but doesn't have will or strength to back it up. Luffy has zero responsibility, he didn't learn anything, he brought Meme here but doesn't even take responsibility for it, at all, WTF? Where's old Luffy that we knew?
And of course Wano arc, hyped to be the best but ends up being the worst. I can rant about Wano forever and how bad it is, how ridiculous Wano's plat is, how much plot holes are out there... I'll show just two examples here:
Kaido's smile army was multi–arc running plot, and people were wondering, how strowhats are going deal with that!?
But as soon as Wano arc started, in first few chapters, Oda (whiteout any shame) introduces a solution to that problem...
And with that, the multi–arc running plot was thrown away, but smile army wasn't the only plot that was thrown away.
Kaido's tough body/scales was long running plot too, and Oda solved that problem the way he did with the smile army.
When Kaido was first introduced, in his introduction it said that "he had challenged both the Emperors and the Navy multiple times...
and no one was able to truly wound Kaido. Yes, you can damage Kaido with advanced haki but that isn't enough to wound Kaido the necessary amount damage to defeat him. The only one who was able to pull that off was none other than Oden, and Oden did it because of Enma. Enma is the reason Kaido can be defeated and Oda has been very and unapologetically clear about it.
- When I said that Oda destroyed Sanji's character with raid suit everyone attacked me saying "you don't understand anything, You don't understand Sanji's character as much as Oda, he's the outher etc".
- When I said that Oda completely destroyed Whitbeard's character I was again attacked by Oda's knights who were saying "you're just looking for attention, stop whining, you don't understand his character bla bla bla"
In a fight for PK throne (and these are not my words, it's Kaido who said it)...
...Zoro is leading the pack. By throwing Zoro in the fight against two Emperors Oda just confirmed how useless and Pointless Luffy's dream is. Zoro has ZERO and I reapet ZERO connection to the PK title, Zoro doesn't wanna become the PK and he isn't even a pairet. Zoro hasn't fought against any YC, Zoro didn't train as much as Luffy and he's still better than Luffy. Luffy is the trash of the century, he can only talk Big but doesn't have will or strength to back it up. Luffy has zero responsibility, he didn't learn anything, he brought Meme here but doesn't even take responsibility for it, at all, WTF? Where's old Luffy that we knew?
And of course Wano arc, hyped to be the best but ends up being the worst. I can rant about Wano forever and how bad it is, how ridiculous Wano's plat is, how much plot holes are out there... I'll show just two examples here:
Kaido's smile army was multi–arc running plot, and people were wondering, how strowhats are going deal with that!?
But as soon as Wano arc started, in first few chapters, Oda (whiteout any shame) introduces a solution to that problem...
And with that, the multi–arc running plot was thrown away, but smile army wasn't the only plot that was thrown away.
Kaido's tough body/scales was long running plot too, and Oda solved that problem the way he did with the smile army.
When Kaido was first introduced, in his introduction it said that "he had challenged both the Emperors and the Navy multiple times...
and no one was able to truly wound Kaido. Yes, you can damage Kaido with advanced haki but that isn't enough to wound Kaido the necessary amount damage to defeat him. The only one who was able to pull that off was none other than Oden, and Oden did it because of Enma. Enma is the reason Kaido can be defeated and Oda has been very and unapologetically clear about it.
Rest is 100%.
Never really liked the post timeskip progression.
Losing to a random scientist? Really?
Losing to yet another Shichibukai when you're going for the Yonkos? Really?
Getting bodied and asspulling powerups to beat a YC? Really?
To this day I think it would have been WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY better if Luffy stayed in the Coliseum and defeated Burgess, Zoro managed to go toe to toe against Fuji (not win, but at least draw) and Sanji was the one to fight Doflamingo with Law.
The timeskip training only served for 1 person. Zoro.
Luffy's growth was pointless, since he still needs a new powerup every arc.
Sanji's growth was pointless. Took Oda how many arcs to give him a powerup only to justify him fighting and beating someone worthy again?
Rest of SH's? yeah....they are all the same they were before, honestly.
Zoro was the only one that came out of it truly stronger. The Pacifista one shot from Luffy and Sanji going alongside Zoro to one shot the other seems like fake news at this point.
Oda's major worldbuilding is a blessing, but at the same time it's his bane. He creates a LOT of characters but sucks at managing all of them.
They aren't and haven't been for 900 chapters, Luffy has been increasing the gap ever since.
Plot related stamina issues don't mean much if these 4 other SN need to stall for Luffy to regain fighting capacity to stand a chance against Kaido.
If you think Zoro beats Kaido before Luffy recharges then I have a bridge to sell you, and maybe some copper stonks.
Plot related stamina issues don't mean much if these 4 other SN need to stall for Luffy to regain fighting capacity to stand a chance against Kaido.
If you think Zoro beats Kaido before Luffy recharges then I have a bridge to sell you, and maybe some copper stonks.
Still disagree on the Raid Suit part.
Rest is 100%.
Never really liked the post timeskip progression.
Losing to a random scientist? Really?
Losing to yet another Shichibukai when you're going for the Yonkos? Really?
Getting bodied and asspulling powerups to beat a YC? Really?
To this day I think it would have been WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY better if Luffy stayed in the Coliseum and defeated Burgess, Zoro managed to go toe to toe against Fuji (not win, but at least draw) and Sanji was the one to fight Doflamingo with Law.
The timeskip training only served for 1 person. Zoro.
Luffy's growth was pointless, since he still needs a new powerup every arc.
Sanji's growth was pointless. Took Oda how many arcs to give him a powerup only to justify him fighting and beating someone worthy again?
Rest of SH's? yeah....they are all the same they were before, honestly.
Zoro was the only one that came out of it truly stronger. The Pacifista one shot from Luffy and Sanji going alongside Zoro to one shot the other seems like fake news at this point.
Oda's major worldbuilding is a blessing, but at the same time it's his bane. He creates a LOT of characters but sucks at managing all of them.
Rest is 100%.
Never really liked the post timeskip progression.
Losing to a random scientist? Really?
Losing to yet another Shichibukai when you're going for the Yonkos? Really?
Getting bodied and asspulling powerups to beat a YC? Really?
To this day I think it would have been WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY better if Luffy stayed in the Coliseum and defeated Burgess, Zoro managed to go toe to toe against Fuji (not win, but at least draw) and Sanji was the one to fight Doflamingo with Law.
The timeskip training only served for 1 person. Zoro.
Luffy's growth was pointless, since he still needs a new powerup every arc.
Sanji's growth was pointless. Took Oda how many arcs to give him a powerup only to justify him fighting and beating someone worthy again?
Rest of SH's? yeah....they are all the same they were before, honestly.
Zoro was the only one that came out of it truly stronger. The Pacifista one shot from Luffy and Sanji going alongside Zoro to one shot the other seems like fake news at this point.
Oda's major worldbuilding is a blessing, but at the same time it's his bane. He creates a LOT of characters but sucks at managing all of them.
He didn't say you used Oden's ryuo there or compare Luffy to Oden after that.
Luffy's ryuo is already better than Oden's anyway, who didn't have internal destruction and died in chains (or maybe Luffy hasn't even used internal destruction yet and has only been using barrier, we'll see).
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