Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1003 Spoilers Discussion

Midnight Delight · Feb 4, 2021

@Cinera how strong would you rate Dragon Kaido after seeing his wind attack this chapter

Cinera · Feb 4, 2021

Zoro's Performance so far
Zoro's accomplishments this fight:

Defence
- Protected Luffy from Mama's Heavenly Fire
- Protected Luffy from Kaido's Boro Breath
- Protected Luffy from Mama's Cognac
- Protected all Supernova from Kaido's tornadoes
- Rescued Luffy from Kaido's Chomp
- Protected Luffy from Kaido's Wind Scythes
Offence
- His Rengoku Oni Giri earned him a compliment from Kaido:
- His Hiryuu Kaen terrified the Yonkou
  - Mama:
  - Kaido
- Carved up Kaido with Kokujo Ou Tatsumaki:
  - Blood spurted from his body:
  - Made him repeatedly cough up blood:
- It briefly knocked Kaido down:
Portrayal
- Killer expressed surprise at his attack working
- Kaido acknowledged his attack as having been successful
  - The only other attack he acknowledged was Red Roc
  - Kaido previously called Law's Gamma Knife, Kidd's Slam Gibson, and Luffy's Kong Rifle "tricks":
  - He called Killer's Scyther Sonic "vexing":
- Mama acknowledged his attack as having been successful
  - The only other attack she acknowledged was Red Roc
- Kaido noticed that he bears Oden's Katana

I think Zoro is the MVP. Luffy did significantly more damage to Kaido with Kong Gatling, but Zoro hurt him significantly, and protected Luffy four times this chapter and the other Supernova once.

Yonkou Attacks History
I'm going off memory here, so I may have missed a few.

Luffy
- Kaido
  1. Basic Club Swing
    1. Dodged and countered by Red Roc
  2. Thunder Bagua
    1. Partially dodged
  3. Basic Club Swing
    1. Rescued by Law
  4. Demolition Gust
    1. Dodged and countered with Kong Rifle
  5. Boro Breath
    1. Rescued by Zoro
  6. Boro Breath
    1. Withstood
  7. Tornadoes
    1. Rescued by Zoro
  8. Dragon Chomp
    - Rescued by Zoro
  9. Multitude of Wind Scythes
    1. Rescued by Zoro
- Mama
  1. Heavenly Fire
    1. Rescued by Zoro
  2. God of Lightning: Tenjin
    1. Immune by virtue of Devil Fruit
  3. Cognac
    1. Rescued by Zoro
Zoro
- Kaido
  1. Basic Club Swing
    1. Countered with Rengoku Oni Giri
  2. Demolition Gust
    1. Deflected
  3. Multitude of Wind Scythes
    1. Dodged
- Mama
  1. God of Lightning: Tenjin
    1. Withstood
Kidd
- Kaido
  1. Demolition Gust
    1. Withstood
  2. Tornadoes
    1. Rescued by Zoro
  3. Multitude of Wind Scythes
    1. Withstood
- Mama
  1. God of Lightning: Tenjin
    1. Withstood
Law
- Kaido
  1. Demolition Gust
    1. Dodged
  2. Chomp
    1. Dodged
  3. Multitude of Wind Scythes
    1. Dodged
- Mama
  1. God of Lightning: Tenjin
    1. Withstood
Killer
- Kaido
  1. Basic Club Swing
    1. Countered with Beheading Claw
  2. Demolition Gust
    1. Dodged
  3. Dragon Chomp
    1. Rescued by Luffy
  4. Tornadoes
    1. Rescued by Zoro
  5. Multitude of Wind Scythes
    1. Dodged
- Mama
  1. Indra
    1. Withstood
  2. God of Lightning: Tenjin
    1. Withstood

Excluding God of Lightning: Tenjin (immune due to DF ability), Luffy needed to be rescued from Mama's other attacks by Zoro. Against Kaido, he cleanly dodged two attacks, partially dodged one, was rescued for five and withstood one.

Luffy's total confirmed attacks were 12. He was rescued for more than half of them.

The total confirmed attacks on all Supernova (some double counting due to multi target attacks) is 29.

Luffy has taken around 41% of Yonkou attacks; a plurality, but not the majority I've seen others claiming. And he was rescued for more than half of those attacks.

Supernova Damage Scoreboard
My estimate of damage done to Kaido and Mama so far:
My heuristic is that the Kong Gun Luffy used in Chapter 1000 did 1 point of damage (Kaido barely reacted to it at all).

Luffy
- Red Roc: 15 points
  - Knocked Kaido to the ground
  - Made Luffy compare him to the others he fought who could harm him
  - Mama acknowledged him
- Kong Gun: 1 point
- Kong Rifle: 2 points
  - Stronger than a Kong Gun
  - Was called a "trick" by Kaido
- Rhino Schneider: 1.5 points
- Kong Gatling: 60 points
  - Dozens of Kong Guns
  - Shocked Mama
  - Stupefied Kidd
  - Made Kaido cough up blood
  - Knocked Kaido down for several panels
- Total: 74.5 points
Zoro
- Rengoku Oni Giri: 1.5 points
  - Kaido complimented him and Killer with "well done".
- Hiryuu Kaen: 0 points
  - It didn't land
  - Had it landed, I think it would have been at least 100 points
    - Terrified Mama and made her warn Kaido to dodge
    - Environmental destruction was orders of magnitude greater than for Kong Gatling
- Kokujo Ou Tatsumaki: 30 points
  - Carved up Kaido, making him spurt blood, and repeatedly cough up blood
  - Mama acknowledged his attack as having been successful
  - Kaido acknowledged his attack as having been successful
  - Killer expressed surprise at his attack working
- Total: 31.5 points
Killer
- Beheading Claw: 1.5 points
  - Kaido complimented him and Killer with "well done".
- Scyther Sonic: 8 points
  - It turned Kaido's eyes white.
  - Kaido called it "vexing"
    - As opposed to the "tricks" he called the others
  - While it did internal damage, it did not cause Kaido to cough up blood
- Total: 9.5 points
Law
- Rock Spam: 2 points
  - Kaido screamed in pain, he reacted to it much more than Kidd or Luffy's attack
- Gamma Knife: 5 points
  - It should be stronger than rock spam
  - Kaido screamed in pain
  - Kaido called it a "trick"
- Counter Shock: 3 points
  - Mama is less durable than Kaido
  - She seemed to visibly react to it
- Total: 10 points
Kidd:
- Crush: 1 point
  - No real indication it hurt more than Kong Gun
- Slam Gibson: 2 points
  - Kaido called it a "trick"
- Total: 3 points

Luffy has dealt the most damage so far, Zoro is a distant second, Law and Killer are neck and neck for 3rd and 4th, Kidd is a relatively distant 5th.

I arbitrarily decided that Kong Gatling should be double Kokujo Ou Tatsumaki after my debate with @WesMidnight. Kong Gatling knocked Kaido down for a few panels, and that's something Kokujo Ou Tatsumaki failed to accomplish.

Conclusions
I think Zoro is the MVP by virtue of saving Luffy six times and all other Supernova once, but that's another matter entirely. Had Hiryuu Kaen landed, he would have dealt the most damage overall and being a distant first. As is, Luffy is a close runner up by virtue of dealing more damage than all other Supernova combined and attracting most of the attention of the Yonkou.

Commentary and feedback is welcome. I would update this on convincing arguments.

Shisui · Feb 4, 2021

Bogard said:

The percentage is about the damage they did comparatively to each other, not the actual damage Kaido received, and the ratio seems fair to me considering that

- Kaido treated Law's gk as if it was insignificant, hence the 2%
- Killer's sonic attack barely had higher effect than Law's gk, hence the 3%
- Kid only slammed Kaido and thus did questionable damage
- Zoro's tatsumaki did superficial damage and had lower portrayal than Luffy's red roc

So when taking into consideration the fact that
- Red Roc had higher feat and portrayal to all their attacks(let's say 5%)
- G4 attacks are much more powerful(let's say 2times = 10%)
- Luffy landed 3 regular g4 attacks(3times 10% = 30%)
- Luffy's final kong gatling attack dealing the most damage, so much Big Mom was so worried it looked like she almost thought he was about to be defeated, i'd say it dealt about 45% damage comparatively to the rest, or more

And when adding them, it leads you to an at least 90% ratio

You are making too much sense. :myman:

Akai · Feb 4, 2021

Erkan12 said:

Even Killer is fighting Kaido for chapters right now in a situation where a lot of people fight. So Killer now Kaidos new rival. Check! :suresure:

Blother Fertitta · Feb 4, 2021

Cinera said:

Zoro's Performance so far
Zoro's accomplishments this chapter:

Defence
- Protected Luffy from Mama's Heavenly Fire
- Protected Luffy from Kaido's Boro Breath
- Protected Luffy from Mama's Cognac
- Protected all Supernova from Kaido's tornadoes
- Rescued Luffy from Kaido's Chomp
- Protected Luffy from Kaido's Wind Scythes
Offence
- His Rengoku Oni Giri earned him a compliment from Kaido:
- His Hiryuu Kaen terrified the Yonkou
  - Mama:
  - Kaido
- Carved up Kaido with Kokujo Ou Tatsumaki:
  - Blood spurted from his body:
  - Made him repeatedly cough up blood:
- It briefly knocked Kaido down:
Portrayal
- Killer expressed surprise at his attack working
- Kaido acknowledged his attack as having been successful
  - The only other attack he acknowledged was Red Roc
  - Kaido previously called Law's Gamma Knife, Kidd's Slam Gibson, and Luffy's Kong Rifle "tricks":
  - He called Killer's Scyther Sonic "vexing":
- Mama acknowledged his attack as having been successful
  - The only other attack she acknowledged was Red Roc
- Kaido noticed that he bears Oden's Katana

I think Zoro is the MVP. Luffy did significantly more damage to Kaido with Kong Gatling, but Zoro hurt him significantly, and protected Luffy four times this chapter and the other Supernova once.

Yonkou Attacks History
I'm going off memory here, so I may have missed a few.

Luffy
- Kaido
  1. Basic Club Swing
    1. Dodged and countered by Red Roc
  2. Thunder Bagua
    1. Partially dodged
  3. Basic Club Swing
    1. Rescued by Law
  4. Demolition Gust
    1. Dodged and countered with Kong Rifle
  5. Boro Breath
    1. Rescued by Zoro
  6. Boro Breath
    1. Withstood
  7. Tornadoes
    1. Rescued by Zoro
  8. Dragon Chomp
    - Rescued by Zoro
  9. Multitude of Wind Scythes
    1. Rescued by Zoro
- Mama
  1. Heavenly Fire
    1. Rescued by Zoro
  2. God of Lightning: Tenjin
    1. Immune by virtue of Devil Fruit
  3. Cognac
    1. Rescued by Zoro
Zoro
- Kaido
  1. Basic Club Swing
    1. Countered with Rengoku Oni Giri
  2. Demolition Gust
    1. Deflected
  3. Multitude of Wind Scythes
    1. Dodged
- Mama
  1. God of Lightning: Tenjin
    1. Withstood
Kidd
- Kaido
  1. Demolition Gust
    1. Withstood
  2. Tornadoes
    1. Rescued by Zoro
  3. Multitude of Wind Scythes
    1. Withstood
- Mama
  1. God of Lightning: Tenjin
    1. Withstood
Law
- Kaido
  1. Demolition Gust
    1. Dodged
  2. Chomp
    1. Dodged
  3. Multitude of Wind Scythes
    1. Dodged
- Mama
  1. God of Lightning: Tenjin
    1. Withstood
Killer
- Kaido
  1. Basic Club Swing
    1. Countered with Beheading Claw
  2. Demolition Gust
    1. Dodged
  3. Dragon Chomp
    1. Rescued by Luffy
  4. Tornadoes
    1. Rescued by Zoro
  5. Multitude of Wind Scythes
    1. Dodged
- Mama
  1. Indra
    1. Withstood
  2. God of Lightning: Tenjin
    1. Withstood

Excluding God of Lightning: Tenjin (immune due to DF ability), Luffy needed to be rescued from Mama's other attacks by Zoro. Against Kaido, he cleanly dodged two attacks, partially dodged one, was rescued for five and withstood one.

Luffy's total confirmed attacks were 12. He was rescued for more than half of them.

The total confirmed attacks on all Supernova (some double counting due to multi target attacks) is 29.

Luffy has taken around 41% of Yonkou attacks; a plurality, but not the majority I've seen others claiming. And he was rescued for more than half of those attacks.

Supernova Damage Scoreboard
My estimate of damage done to Kaido so far:
My heuristic is that the Kong Gun used in Chapter 1000 did 1 point of damage.

Luffy
- Red Roc: 15 points
  - Knocked Kaido to the ground
  - Made Luffy compare him to the others he fought who could harm him
  - Mama acknowledged him
- Kong Gun: 1 point
- Kong Rifle: 2 points
  - Stronger than a Kong Gun
  - Was called a "trick" by Kaido
- Rhino Schneider: 1.5 points
- Kong Gatling: 60 points
  - Dozens of Kong Guns
  - Shocked Mama
  - Stupefied Kidd
  - Made Kaido cough up blood
  - Knocked Kaido down for several panels
- Total: 74.5 points
Zoro
- Rengoku Oni Giri: 1.5 points
  - Kaido complimented him and Killer with "well done".
- Hiryuu Kaen: 0 points
  - It didn't land
  - Had it landed, I think it would have been at least 100 points
    - Terrified Mama and made her warn Kaido to dodge
    - Environmental destruction was orders of magnitude greater than for Kong Gatling
- Kokujo Ou Tatsumaki: 30 points
  - Carved up Kaido, making him spurt blood, and repeatedly cough up blood
  - Mama acknowledged his attack as having been successful
  - Kaido acknowledged his attack as having been successful
  - Killer expressed surprise at his attack working
- Total: 31.5 points
Killer
- Beheading Claw: 1.5 points
  - Kaido complimented him and Killer with "well done".
- Scyther Sonic: 8 points
  - It turned Kaido's eyes white.
  - Kaido called it "vexing"
    - As opposed to the "tricks" he called the others
  - While it did internal damage, it did not cause Kaido to cough up blood
- Total: 9.5 points
Law
- Rock Spam: 2 points
  - Kaido screamed in pain, he reacted to it much more than Kidd or Luffy's attack
- Gamma Knife: 5 points
  - It should be stronger than rock spam
  - Kaido screamed in pain
  - Kaido called it a "trick"
- Counter Shock: 3 points
  - Mama is less durable than Kaido
  - She seemed to visibly react to it
- Total: 10 points
Kidd:
- Crush: 1 point
  - No real indication it hurt more than Kong Gun
- Slam Gibson: 2 points
  - Kaido called it a "trick"
- Total: 3 points

Luffy has dealt the most damage so far, Zoro is a distant second, Law and Killer are neck and neck for 3rd and 4th, Kidd is a relatively distant 5th.

I arbitrarily decided that Kong Gatling should be double Kokujo Ou Tatsumaki after my debate with @WesMidnight. Kong Gatling knocked Kaido down for a few panels, and that's something Kokujo Ou Tatsumaki failed to accomplish.

Conclusions
I think Zoro is the MVP by virtue of saving Luffy six times and all other Supernova once, but that's another matter entirely. Had Hiryuu Kaen landed, he would have dealt the most damage overall and being a distant first. As is, Luffy is a close runner up by virtue of dealing more damage than all other Supernova combined and attracting most of the attention of the Yonkou.

Commentary and feedback is welcome. I would update this on convincing arguments.

All I see is “rescued by Zoro”, :josad:

Oda what are ya doing to my precious boy Luffy?

h_zorothegoat · Feb 4, 2021

Erkan12 said:

even zoro haters have better arguments than urs :perocry:

Sword God Ryuma · Feb 4, 2021

Bogard said:

Zoro attack didn't have lower potrayal. Only difference is he didn't fight Zoro 2 weeks ago to be surprised at the leap he made. Kaido was shocked because 2 weeks ago he neg diff Luffy and Luffy couldn't hurt him. Please put context on the situation. I would say its Luffy 50%, zoro 30%,Law 5%,Killer 15%,Kidd 5% lmao

Cinera · Feb 4, 2021

Midnight Delight said:

Santoryu Zoro's Kokujo Ou Tatsumaki is much stronger; it overwhelmed Kaido's tornadoes and carved him up.

@Fujishiro: given that we've seen all that Dragon!Kaido has to offer, I remain steadfast in my belief that he's inferior to Santoryu Zoro.

Erkan12 · Feb 4, 2021

Akai said:

Kaido literally said he will allow them to hit and toy with them.

Show the same for Akainu that he was allowing them to hit or stfu.

Also Killer never soloed even toying Kaido stop lying.

h_zorothegoat · Feb 4, 2021

Cinera said:

Zoro's Performance so far
Zoro's accomplishments this fight:

Defence
- Protected Luffy from Mama's Heavenly Fire
- Protected Luffy from Kaido's Boro Breath
- Protected Luffy from Mama's Cognac
- Protected all Supernova from Kaido's tornadoes
- Rescued Luffy from Kaido's Chomp
- Protected Luffy from Kaido's Wind Scythes
Offence
- His Rengoku Oni Giri earned him a compliment from Kaido:
- His Hiryuu Kaen terrified the Yonkou
  - Mama:
  - Kaido
- Carved up Kaido with Kokujo Ou Tatsumaki:
  - Blood spurted from his body:
  - Made him repeatedly cough up blood:
- It briefly knocked Kaido down:
Portrayal
- Killer expressed surprise at his attack working
- Kaido acknowledged his attack as having been successful
  - The only other attack he acknowledged was Red Roc
  - Kaido previously called Law's Gamma Knife, Kidd's Slam Gibson, and Luffy's Kong Rifle "tricks":
  - He called Killer's Scyther Sonic "vexing":
- Mama acknowledged his attack as having been successful
  - The only other attack she acknowledged was Red Roc
- Kaido noticed that he bears Oden's Katana

I think Zoro is the MVP. Luffy did significantly more damage to Kaido with Kong Gatling, but Zoro hurt him significantly, and protected Luffy four times this chapter and the other Supernova once.

Yonkou Attacks History
I'm going off memory here, so I may have missed a few.

Luffy
- Kaido
  1. Basic Club Swing
    1. Dodged and countered by Red Roc
  2. Thunder Bagua
    1. Partially dodged
  3. Basic Club Swing
    1. Rescued by Law
  4. Demolition Gust
    1. Dodged and countered with Kong Rifle
  5. Boro Breath
    1. Rescued by Zoro
  6. Boro Breath
    1. Withstood
  7. Tornadoes
    1. Rescued by Zoro
  8. Dragon Chomp
    - Rescued by Zoro
  9. Multitude of Wind Scythes
    1. Rescued by Zoro
- Mama
  1. Heavenly Fire
    1. Rescued by Zoro
  2. God of Lightning: Tenjin
    1. Immune by virtue of Devil Fruit
  3. Cognac
    1. Rescued by Zoro
Zoro
- Kaido
  1. Basic Club Swing
    1. Countered with Rengoku Oni Giri
  2. Demolition Gust
    1. Deflected
  3. Multitude of Wind Scythes
    1. Dodged
- Mama
  1. God of Lightning: Tenjin
    1. Withstood
Kidd
- Kaido
  1. Demolition Gust
    1. Withstood
  2. Tornadoes
    1. Rescued by Zoro
  3. Multitude of Wind Scythes
    1. Withstood
- Mama
  1. God of Lightning: Tenjin
    1. Withstood
Law
- Kaido
  1. Demolition Gust
    1. Dodged
  2. Chomp
    1. Dodged
  3. Multitude of Wind Scythes
    1. Dodged
- Mama
  1. God of Lightning: Tenjin
    1. Withstood
Killer
- Kaido
  1. Basic Club Swing
    1. Countered with Beheading Claw
  2. Demolition Gust
    1. Dodged
  3. Dragon Chomp
    1. Rescued by Luffy
  4. Tornadoes
    1. Rescued by Zoro
  5. Multitude of Wind Scythes
    1. Dodged
- Mama
  1. Indra
    1. Withstood
  2. God of Lightning: Tenjin
    1. Withstood

Excluding God of Lightning: Tenjin (immune due to DF ability), Luffy needed to be rescued from Mama's other attacks by Zoro. Against Kaido, he cleanly dodged two attacks, partially dodged one, was rescued for five and withstood one.

Luffy's total confirmed attacks were 12. He was rescued for more than half of them.

The total confirmed attacks on all Supernova (some double counting due to multi target attacks) is 29.

Luffy has taken around 41% of Yonkou attacks; a plurality, but not the majority I've seen others claiming. And he was rescued for more than half of those attacks.

Supernova Damage Scoreboard
My estimate of damage done to Kaido so far:
My heuristic is that the Kong Gun used in Chapter 1000 did 1 point of damage.

Luffy
- Red Roc: 15 points
  - Knocked Kaido to the ground
  - Made Luffy compare him to the others he fought who could harm him
  - Mama acknowledged him
- Kong Gun: 1 point
- Kong Rifle: 2 points
  - Stronger than a Kong Gun
  - Was called a "trick" by Kaido
- Rhino Schneider: 1.5 points
- Kong Gatling: 60 points
  - Dozens of Kong Guns
  - Shocked Mama
  - Stupefied Kidd
  - Made Kaido cough up blood
  - Knocked Kaido down for several panels
- Total: 74.5 points
Zoro
- Rengoku Oni Giri: 1.5 points
  - Kaido complimented him and Killer with "well done".
- Hiryuu Kaen: 0 points
  - It didn't land
  - Had it landed, I think it would have been at least 100 points
    - Terrified Mama and made her warn Kaido to dodge
    - Environmental destruction was orders of magnitude greater than for Kong Gatling
- Kokujo Ou Tatsumaki: 30 points
  - Carved up Kaido, making him spurt blood, and repeatedly cough up blood
  - Mama acknowledged his attack as having been successful
  - Kaido acknowledged his attack as having been successful
  - Killer expressed surprise at his attack working
- Total: 31.5 points
Killer
- Beheading Claw: 1.5 points
  - Kaido complimented him and Killer with "well done".
- Scyther Sonic: 8 points
  - It turned Kaido's eyes white.
  - Kaido called it "vexing"
    - As opposed to the "tricks" he called the others
  - While it did internal damage, it did not cause Kaido to cough up blood
- Total: 9.5 points
Law
- Rock Spam: 2 points
  - Kaido screamed in pain, he reacted to it much more than Kidd or Luffy's attack
- Gamma Knife: 5 points
  - It should be stronger than rock spam
  - Kaido screamed in pain
  - Kaido called it a "trick"
- Counter Shock: 3 points
  - Mama is less durable than Kaido
  - She seemed to visibly react to it
- Total: 10 points
Kidd:
- Crush: 1 point
  - No real indication it hurt more than Kong Gun
- Slam Gibson: 2 points
  - Kaido called it a "trick"
- Total: 3 points

Luffy has dealt the most damage so far, Zoro is a distant second, Law and Killer are neck and neck for 3rd and 4th, Kidd is a relatively distant 5th.

I arbitrarily decided that Kong Gatling should be double Kokujo Ou Tatsumaki after my debate with @WesMidnight. Kong Gatling knocked Kaido down for a few panels, and that's something Kokujo Ou Tatsumaki failed to accomplish.

Conclusions
I think Zoro is the MVP by virtue of saving Luffy six times and all other Supernova once, but that's another matter entirely. Had Hiryuu Kaen landed, he would have dealt the most damage overall and being a distant first. As is, Luffy is a close runner up by virtue of dealing more damage than all other Supernova combined and attracting most of the attention of the Yonkou.

Commentary and feedback is welcome. I would update this on convincing arguments.

u are true zoro fan. My respect towards u have grown :perocry:

Patryipe · Feb 4, 2021

Kid should be replaced by Ma. D. Monk. But clearly Kaido's plot armor prevents that from happening. He wants to live after all. :madmonk:

MonsterKaido · Feb 4, 2021

GreenEggsAHam said:

You can not compare apples to oranges my friend. Big mom showed speed and power.. giant caught luffy so what

Sword God Ryuma · Feb 4, 2021

Cinera said:

Zoro's Performance so far
Zoro's accomplishments this fight:

Defence
- Protected Luffy from Mama's Heavenly Fire
- Protected Luffy from Kaido's Boro Breath
- Protected Luffy from Mama's Cognac
- Protected all Supernova from Kaido's tornadoes
- Rescued Luffy from Kaido's Chomp
- Protected Luffy from Kaido's Wind Scythes
Offence
- His Rengoku Oni Giri earned him a compliment from Kaido:
- His Hiryuu Kaen terrified the Yonkou
  - Mama:
  - Kaido
- Carved up Kaido with Kokujo Ou Tatsumaki:
  - Blood spurted from his body:
  - Made him repeatedly cough up blood:
- It briefly knocked Kaido down:
Portrayal
- Killer expressed surprise at his attack working
- Kaido acknowledged his attack as having been successful
  - The only other attack he acknowledged was Red Roc
  - Kaido previously called Law's Gamma Knife, Kidd's Slam Gibson, and Luffy's Kong Rifle "tricks":
  - He called Killer's Scyther Sonic "vexing":
- Mama acknowledged his attack as having been successful
  - The only other attack she acknowledged was Red Roc
- Kaido noticed that he bears Oden's Katana

I think Zoro is the MVP. Luffy did significantly more damage to Kaido with Kong Gatling, but Zoro hurt him significantly, and protected Luffy four times this chapter and the other Supernova once.

Yonkou Attacks History
I'm going off memory here, so I may have missed a few.

Luffy
- Kaido
  1. Basic Club Swing
    1. Dodged and countered by Red Roc
  2. Thunder Bagua
    1. Partially dodged
  3. Basic Club Swing
    1. Rescued by Law
  4. Demolition Gust
    1. Dodged and countered with Kong Rifle
  5. Boro Breath
    1. Rescued by Zoro
  6. Boro Breath
    1. Withstood
  7. Tornadoes
    1. Rescued by Zoro
  8. Dragon Chomp
    - Rescued by Zoro
  9. Multitude of Wind Scythes
    1. Rescued by Zoro
- Mama
  1. Heavenly Fire
    1. Rescued by Zoro
  2. God of Lightning: Tenjin
    1. Immune by virtue of Devil Fruit
  3. Cognac
    1. Rescued by Zoro
Zoro
- Kaido
  1. Basic Club Swing
    1. Countered with Rengoku Oni Giri
  2. Demolition Gust
    1. Deflected
  3. Multitude of Wind Scythes
    1. Dodged
- Mama
  1. God of Lightning: Tenjin
    1. Withstood
Kidd
- Kaido
  1. Demolition Gust
    1. Withstood
  2. Tornadoes
    1. Rescued by Zoro
  3. Multitude of Wind Scythes
    1. Withstood
- Mama
  1. God of Lightning: Tenjin
    1. Withstood
Law
- Kaido
  1. Demolition Gust
    1. Dodged
  2. Chomp
    1. Dodged
  3. Multitude of Wind Scythes
    1. Dodged
- Mama
  1. God of Lightning: Tenjin
    1. Withstood
Killer
- Kaido
  1. Basic Club Swing
    1. Countered with Beheading Claw
  2. Demolition Gust
    1. Dodged
  3. Dragon Chomp
    1. Rescued by Luffy
  4. Tornadoes
    1. Rescued by Zoro
  5. Multitude of Wind Scythes
    1. Dodged
- Mama
  1. Indra
    1. Withstood
  2. God of Lightning: Tenjin
    1. Withstood

Excluding God of Lightning: Tenjin (immune due to DF ability), Luffy needed to be rescued from Mama's other attacks by Zoro. Against Kaido, he cleanly dodged two attacks, partially dodged one, was rescued for five and withstood one.

Luffy's total confirmed attacks were 12. He was rescued for more than half of them.

The total confirmed attacks on all Supernova (some double counting due to multi target attacks) is 29.

Luffy has taken around 41% of Yonkou attacks; a plurality, but not the majority I've seen others claiming. And he was rescued for more than half of those attacks.

Supernova Damage Scoreboard
My estimate of damage done to Kaido so far:
My heuristic is that the Kong Gun used in Chapter 1000 did 1 point of damage.

Luffy
- Red Roc: 15 points
  - Knocked Kaido to the ground
  - Made Luffy compare him to the others he fought who could harm him
  - Mama acknowledged him
- Kong Gun: 1 point
- Kong Rifle: 2 points
  - Stronger than a Kong Gun
  - Was called a "trick" by Kaido
- Rhino Schneider: 1.5 points
- Kong Gatling: 60 points
  - Dozens of Kong Guns
  - Shocked Mama
  - Stupefied Kidd
  - Made Kaido cough up blood
  - Knocked Kaido down for several panels
- Total: 74.5 points
Zoro
- Rengoku Oni Giri: 1.5 points
  - Kaido complimented him and Killer with "well done".
- Hiryuu Kaen: 0 points
  - It didn't land
  - Had it landed, I think it would have been at least 100 points
    - Terrified Mama and made her warn Kaido to dodge
    - Environmental destruction was orders of magnitude greater than for Kong Gatling
- Kokujo Ou Tatsumaki: 30 points
  - Carved up Kaido, making him spurt blood, and repeatedly cough up blood
  - Mama acknowledged his attack as having been successful
  - Kaido acknowledged his attack as having been successful
  - Killer expressed surprise at his attack working
- Total: 31.5 points
Killer
- Beheading Claw: 1.5 points
  - Kaido complimented him and Killer with "well done".
- Scyther Sonic: 8 points
  - It turned Kaido's eyes white.
  - Kaido called it "vexing"
    - As opposed to the "tricks" he called the others
  - While it did internal damage, it did not cause Kaido to cough up blood
- Total: 9.5 points
Law
- Rock Spam: 2 points
  - Kaido screamed in pain, he reacted to it much more than Kidd or Luffy's attack
- Gamma Knife: 5 points
  - It should be stronger than rock spam
  - Kaido screamed in pain
  - Kaido called it a "trick"
- Counter Shock: 3 points
  - Mama is less durable than Kaido
  - She seemed to visibly react to it
- Total: 10 points
Kidd:
- Crush: 1 point
  - No real indication it hurt more than Kong Gun
- Slam Gibson: 2 points
  - Kaido called it a "trick"
- Total: 3 points

Luffy has dealt the most damage so far, Zoro is a distant second, Law and Killer are neck and neck for 3rd and 4th, Kidd is a relatively distant 5th.

I arbitrarily decided that Kong Gatling should be double Kokujo Ou Tatsumaki after my debate with @WesMidnight. Kong Gatling knocked Kaido down for a few panels, and that's something Kokujo Ou Tatsumaki failed to accomplish.

Conclusions
I think Zoro is the MVP by virtue of saving Luffy six times and all other Supernova once, but that's another matter entirely. Had Hiryuu Kaen landed, he would have dealt the most damage overall and being a distant first. As is, Luffy is a close runner up by virtue of dealing more damage than all other Supernova combined and attracting most of the attention of the Yonkou.

Commentary and feedback is welcome. I would update this on convincing arguments.

Why Zoro saving so many people? Is Zoro All might?

Erkan12 · Feb 4, 2021

h_zorothegoat said:

I doubt there are zoro haters, zoro is just Luffy's b!tch. There are people who hate zoro extremist fanboys not zoro.

GreenEggsAHam · Feb 4, 2021

MonsterKaido said:

you know luffy tried to get of it, but couldnt the same thing was difference, marco could move his head actually also got out of it so you cannot compare apples to oranges my friend
also needed a yonko commanders help

MonsterKaido · Feb 4, 2021

Cinera said:

Zoro's Performance so far
Zoro's accomplishments this fight:

Defence
- Protected Luffy from Mama's Heavenly Fire
- Protected Luffy from Kaido's Boro Breath
- Protected Luffy from Mama's Cognac
- Protected all Supernova from Kaido's tornadoes
- Rescued Luffy from Kaido's Chomp
- Protected Luffy from Kaido's Wind Scythes
Offence
- His Rengoku Oni Giri earned him a compliment from Kaido:
- His Hiryuu Kaen terrified the Yonkou
  - Mama:
  - Kaido
- Carved up Kaido with Kokujo Ou Tatsumaki:
  - Blood spurted from his body:
  - Made him repeatedly cough up blood:
- It briefly knocked Kaido down:
Portrayal
- Killer expressed surprise at his attack working
- Kaido acknowledged his attack as having been successful
  - The only other attack he acknowledged was Red Roc
  - Kaido previously called Law's Gamma Knife, Kidd's Slam Gibson, and Luffy's Kong Rifle "tricks":
  - He called Killer's Scyther Sonic "vexing":
- Mama acknowledged his attack as having been successful
  - The only other attack she acknowledged was Red Roc
- Kaido noticed that he bears Oden's Katana

I think Zoro is the MVP. Luffy did significantly more damage to Kaido with Kong Gatling, but Zoro hurt him significantly, and protected Luffy four times this chapter and the other Supernova once.

Yonkou Attacks History
I'm going off memory here, so I may have missed a few.

Luffy
- Kaido
  1. Basic Club Swing
    1. Dodged and countered by Red Roc
  2. Thunder Bagua
    1. Partially dodged
  3. Basic Club Swing
    1. Rescued by Law
  4. Demolition Gust
    1. Dodged and countered with Kong Rifle
  5. Boro Breath
    1. Rescued by Zoro
  6. Boro Breath
    1. Withstood
  7. Tornadoes
    1. Rescued by Zoro
  8. Dragon Chomp
    - Rescued by Zoro
  9. Multitude of Wind Scythes
    1. Rescued by Zoro
- Mama
  1. Heavenly Fire
    1. Rescued by Zoro
  2. God of Lightning: Tenjin
    1. Immune by virtue of Devil Fruit
  3. Cognac
    1. Rescued by Zoro
Zoro
- Kaido
  1. Basic Club Swing
    1. Countered with Rengoku Oni Giri
  2. Demolition Gust
    1. Deflected
  3. Multitude of Wind Scythes
    1. Dodged
- Mama
  1. God of Lightning: Tenjin
    1. Withstood
Kidd
- Kaido
  1. Demolition Gust
    1. Withstood
  2. Tornadoes
    1. Rescued by Zoro
  3. Multitude of Wind Scythes
    1. Withstood
- Mama
  1. God of Lightning: Tenjin
    1. Withstood
Law
- Kaido
  1. Demolition Gust
    1. Dodged
  2. Chomp
    1. Dodged
  3. Multitude of Wind Scythes
    1. Dodged
- Mama
  1. God of Lightning: Tenjin
    1. Withstood
Killer
- Kaido
  1. Basic Club Swing
    1. Countered with Beheading Claw
  2. Demolition Gust
    1. Dodged
  3. Dragon Chomp
    1. Rescued by Luffy
  4. Tornadoes
    1. Rescued by Zoro
  5. Multitude of Wind Scythes
    1. Dodged
- Mama
  1. Indra
    1. Withstood
  2. God of Lightning: Tenjin
    1. Withstood

Excluding God of Lightning: Tenjin (immune due to DF ability), Luffy needed to be rescued from Mama's other attacks by Zoro. Against Kaido, he cleanly dodged two attacks, partially dodged one, was rescued for five and withstood one.

Luffy's total confirmed attacks were 12. He was rescued for more than half of them.

The total confirmed attacks on all Supernova (some double counting due to multi target attacks) is 29.

Luffy has taken around 41% of Yonkou attacks; a plurality, but not the majority I've seen others claiming. And he was rescued for more than half of those attacks.

Supernova Damage Scoreboard
My estimate of damage done to Kaido so far:
My heuristic is that the Kong Gun used in Chapter 1000 did 1 point of damage.

Luffy
- Red Roc: 15 points
  - Knocked Kaido to the ground
  - Made Luffy compare him to the others he fought who could harm him
  - Mama acknowledged him
- Kong Gun: 1 point
- Kong Rifle: 2 points
  - Stronger than a Kong Gun
  - Was called a "trick" by Kaido
- Rhino Schneider: 1.5 points
- Kong Gatling: 60 points
  - Dozens of Kong Guns
  - Shocked Mama
  - Stupefied Kidd
  - Made Kaido cough up blood
  - Knocked Kaido down for several panels
- Total: 74.5 points
Zoro
- Rengoku Oni Giri: 1.5 points
  - Kaido complimented him and Killer with "well done".
- Hiryuu Kaen: 0 points
  - It didn't land
  - Had it landed, I think it would have been at least 100 points
    - Terrified Mama and made her warn Kaido to dodge
    - Environmental destruction was orders of magnitude greater than for Kong Gatling
- Kokujo Ou Tatsumaki: 30 points
  - Carved up Kaido, making him spurt blood, and repeatedly cough up blood
  - Mama acknowledged his attack as having been successful
  - Kaido acknowledged his attack as having been successful
  - Killer expressed surprise at his attack working
- Total: 31.5 points
Killer
- Beheading Claw: 1.5 points
  - Kaido complimented him and Killer with "well done".
- Scyther Sonic: 8 points
  - It turned Kaido's eyes white.
  - Kaido called it "vexing"
    - As opposed to the "tricks" he called the others
  - While it did internal damage, it did not cause Kaido to cough up blood
- Total: 9.5 points
Law
- Rock Spam: 2 points
  - Kaido screamed in pain, he reacted to it much more than Kidd or Luffy's attack
- Gamma Knife: 5 points
  - It should be stronger than rock spam
  - Kaido screamed in pain
  - Kaido called it a "trick"
- Counter Shock: 3 points
  - Mama is less durable than Kaido
  - She seemed to visibly react to it
- Total: 10 points
Kidd:
- Crush: 1 point
  - No real indication it hurt more than Kong Gun
- Slam Gibson: 2 points
  - Kaido called it a "trick"
- Total: 3 points

Luffy has dealt the most damage so far, Zoro is a distant second, Law and Killer are neck and neck for 3rd and 4th, Kidd is a relatively distant 5th.

I arbitrarily decided that Kong Gatling should be double Kokujo Ou Tatsumaki after my debate with @WesMidnight. Kong Gatling knocked Kaido down for a few panels, and that's something Kokujo Ou Tatsumaki failed to accomplish.

Conclusions
I think Zoro is the MVP by virtue of saving Luffy six times and all other Supernova once, but that's another matter entirely. Had Hiryuu Kaen landed, he would have dealt the most damage overall and being a distant first. As is, Luffy is a close runner up by virtue of dealing more damage than all other Supernova combined and attracting most of the attention of the Yonkou.

Commentary and feedback is welcome. I would update this on convincing arguments.

You have lot of time and energy :cheers:

Paperchampion23 · Feb 4, 2021

Midnight Delight said:

No we gotta keep talking about Zoro and Sanji

KAIDO D. STRONGER · Feb 4, 2021

Erkan12 said:

Yes, two admirals are needed to deal with the revolutionaries, a lower group, ODA hinted that if he were an admiral alone against REVO, he would have lost, while KAIDO solo a higher group that would probably beat GB + FUJI together.

Akainu also loses to SABO + Revo if he does SOLO 1x all.
And for the sheaths too.
Akainu is not far above FUJI + GB individually.
Admirals are not doing the same combat feat performed by kaido.

My opinion changed drastically about admirals, KID and assassin + Basil in the chapter that KAIDO tries to commit suicide would win (win) from 1 admiral or even two LOL, while kaido makes HAWKINS allied only with his presence and defeats Killer and boy in the form of base or dragon, since KID in this chapter demonstrates never having seen the hybrid form of kaido.
SNS did not need training before to beat admirals.

If you join SABO + Luffy in dressrosa they would already beat FUJI, and luffy is insanely weaker than the current one who lost to DRAGON KAIDO.

MonsterKaido · Feb 4, 2021

GreenEggsAHam said:

Don't be idiotic , situations are different you can't compare plot scene to actual fight scene common you can't be serious

OPKnK · Feb 4, 2021

Blother said:

Making him take most of the argo .
Aside from 2 attacks all of them were aim at luffy along with the group attacks .

Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1003 Spoilers Discussion

How will the Supernovas fare against Hybrid Kaido?

They get completely overwhelmed and it goes downhill from there

They get overwhelmed at first but recover to continue fighting

Hybrid Kaido fights on par with them

Hybrid Kaido fails and gets run over

Zoro solos

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Gratitude

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