How will the Supernovas fare against Hybrid Kaido?


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To be fair, Kaido was not scared and I would say that BM was more worried than scared.(she has a similar face this chapter when watching Luffy pummel Kaido)

But I don’t know why they saying Zoro is kin lvl. That’s some next lvl salt from judges son fans.
Zoro hasn't done anything better done Kawamatsu or kibnemon

If they say Zoro is top tier or above SN trio coz he made Kaido bleed
I guess Kawamatsu is Yonko level ...kiku top tier too.
 
Only a few among the mightiest can attain it
Kaido never bothered awakening FS or AdcOa

Rayleigh wouldn't hype FS if Ryuo/adcoa was actually better feat to achieve lol
He didnt even bother training Luffy's COa as much as he taught him about CoO
wrong there
he taught him just the basics . thats all he did for both coa and coo
however while luffy had a bit of proficiency in fs , he still got one shot

and even now he was only barely able to dodge kaido
ray doesnt have to hype it up for us to see why adv coa is a bigger boost
it allows him to damage top tiers effectively
not just evade attacks which is what primarily fs would be to his advantage.
 
This isn't a special property... It's a Black Blade. Zoro only noted it's heaviness.
But it's not like Black Blades can cut through logia's bc its perma-haki'd up.

If I'm wrong about any canon material, please feel free to correct me. I'd want to know more.
Yes it is a black blade. It being a black blade gave it unparalleled hardness which would be a property/characteristic / whatever word you want to use there.
It is the same for Sandai which was sharper than all of Zoro's swords.

Enma can't either without Haki.. that's the point. Claiming the sword absorbs haki is unfounded and invalid because it is directly contradicted by manga.
 
Everyone said that Zoro fans are the dumbest, but the dumbest are Zoro haters. They have absolutely no logic - this is the first, the second - how can you think that Oda will make one of the main characters of the manga a weakling, the first assistant of the future King of All Pirates? With such brains, you need to go to 1 place. Yes, and me too, because I pay attention to such dullards.
 
I will preface this by saying I am a Luffy fan.

Pirate King isn't necessary a strength level although in Luffy's generation is may have been.
Except that Luffy is using help for every fight. [Law, Nami, Supernova, ppl of Dressrosa etc]

Zoro is NOT above Luffy, but given this is semi-(his arc/heritage) Zoro will do some bold shit.
In WCI, Sanji did what Luffy couldn't. He defeated Big Mom with food.
In Wano, Zoro will do what Luffy can't. Killing a Dragon as a representative of the Wano Nation.

Whether you like it or not, Tatsumaki made Kaido bleed and KGG Boundman didn't.

Also, whether you like it or not, Luffy popped his G4. He is now a Liability.
I am wondering why Oda incorporated this other than for tension/stakes/plot reasons.
Possibly as a troublesome ender for A3.
Luffy needing help is a plot device, he needed Usopps help to get up and fight Lucci, he needed Nico Robins help to survive Crocodiles poision, he needed a transfusion against HODY ffs. Luffy gets help every arc, he also fights the toughest strongest enemy each arc, and by the end of the arc is considered by the world to be stronger than the person he beats fair and square.

Luffy is the one who made the alliance with Momo.
Luffy is the one who told Kin'emon he will put Wano on his back.
Luffy said he will overcome the yonko 400 chapters ago and restated it 3 chapters ago, Zoro is not outshining him on one of his main goals to becoming the pirate king.
Luffy isn't a chef, he is the one who beats up the person in the way of his dream/ his friends safety each arc.

Oda has been intentionally coy with Zoro's Wano heritage leaving it out to SBS and allusions for the most part, having his heritage be a higher plot point than all of the above at this stage would seem a little forced.

Red roc made Kaido bleed, do you think gattling was more or less powerful than red roc? It knocked kaido down and emphasis was put on each hit for 5 pages...
 
This statement is in chapter or its your own thoughts ?
Otherwise it make no sense for some one who spent 20 years in wano , never heard about Ryou
Mine^^ Until it's confirmed, kaido doesn't know about "adv coa", he is just calling it "oden's ryou".
So we can say scabbards know adv. coa but the efficiency depends on their lvl of strenght. Luffy adv coa + his strenght made Kaido to think about the legends lol!
 

Finalbeta

Zoro Worshipper
Exactly. If it was about lvl then Kaido wouldve never noticed Enma. He would have just thought he was like the scarbbards. But nope he sensed Oden's exact Ryou and noticed that was his blade.
He sensed Zoro's haki. Zoro is using his own haki to attack, CoA haki cannot be stored in swords for the reason we relentlessly explained.

Oden is dead, no kind of haki can be sucked from him by Enma and stored. So not even Enma can do that.

Will? Ok, but not a power level thing.

Kaido sensed Oden's haki meaning Oden's level of haki.
 

Bogard

You can't win
Are u stupid? If it is possible to store Haki, why then does Luffy not make a large supply of Haki in advance to be in 4 weight for a very long time? How do you live with such brains? Where is your logic? When Kaido thought the Scabbards had Odens Haki, why did everyone think they were just referring to Haki's level and type of possession?
Lol, stop acting hurt when discussing about a manga. Luffy isn't a tool, he is a living being. Oda can make the specifics of his tools the way he wants. We're talking about a manga where Oda could make a sword eating a devil fruit and perform transformations.



It's up to Oda to make sword specifics the way he wants
 
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Jo_Ndule

wrong there
he taught him just the basics . thats all he did for both coa and coo
however while luffy had a bit of proficiency in fs , he still got one shot

and even now he was only barely able to dodge kaido
ray doesnt have to hype it up for us to see why adv coa is a bigger boost
it allows him to damage top tiers effectively
not just evade attacks which is what primarily fs would be to his advantage.
Nope
He taught him in depth about CoO ..those teachings allowed him to unlock FS
While we don't see luffy thinking about Rayleigh teaching when it comes to unlocking AdcoA...
 
For Kaido who doesn't know anything about Ryou, he refers Ryou to Oden's haki. That's when Scabbard and Zoro used on him, he calls/sees that at Oden's haki. Also why he didn't understand how Luffy hurt him with Red Roc at first.
No there is no haki of Oden here
Lmfao this Ryuo term is so confusing. Alright so according to Kaido, ryuo = Oden haki. He sees Zoro and scabbards ryuo as Oden haki but not Luffy ?? wth

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