How will the Supernovas fare against Hybrid Kaido?


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Okay, seriously ... If Zoro really does cut Oden's hachs Kaido and is the only supernova who uses this cheat even if he does top damage or even kill Kaido, for me the very concept of the character will be destroyed, Oda led us to that Zoro will use someone else's Haki in battle, this is the end for him as a warrior who achieves everything with his sweat, labor and blood. Even the scabbard will look more advantageous against its background. Even if in this situation he inflicts top damage or kills Kaido, it will be a feast victory. I hope Oda does not bury such an excellent character whom he built for 23 years and who we fell in love with precisely for those qualities that can be crossed in an instant by using someone else's power. That's all I wanted to say.
 

Marimo_420

The Honoured One
Imagine being so goated the haters have to attack your choice of weapon to downplay you.
:myman:

I don't hear anyone saying Luffy's accomplishments are illegitimate because he uses a devil fruit.
:goyea:

At this point, it's blatantly ignoring the manga in an attempt to downplay a character. Enma was already explained upon introduction but these haters have to pretend it doesn't exsist.

Imagine being so goated, that haters have to make up a completely new narrative to try and shit on you.

Woronoa. Woro.
 
Okay, seriously ... If Zoro really does cut Oden's hachs Kaido and is the only supernova who uses this cheat even if he does top damage or even kill Kaido, for me the very concept of the character will be destroyed, Oda led us to that Zoro will use someone else's Haki in battle, this is the end for him as a warrior who achieves everything with his sweat, labor and blood. Even the scabbard will look more advantageous against its background. Even if in this situation he inflicts top damage or kills Kaido, it will be a feast victory. I hope Oda does not bury such an excellent character whom he built for 23 years and who we fell in love with precisely for those qualities that can be crossed in an instant by using someone else's power. That's all I wanted to say.
There is no such thing as dead men having haki. Learn how to read before you start complaining
 

Shisui

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Sanji also beat the daylights out of Luffy that arc. And he was up against Fodder mostly.
Not to mention, Luffy wouldn't be in that situation if it weren't for Sanji.

Whereas, Zoro and Luffy have no strings attached on the roof.
Zoro and Luffy got up on their own thru diff routes.
Zoro keeps saving Luffy and Luffy has become undoubtedly a liability.
And theyre fighting two emperors
Let's get one thing straight, Luffy wouldn't be in that situation if it weren't for Big Mom, Judge & Capone.
Fodders or not, Sanji saved Luffy. That was my initial point.
I doubt Killer sees Luffy as a liabilty seeing how he saved him last chapter but go off I guess.
 
I want to take a step back and express Joy at this Panel



There is no Carrot. Just Strawhats, and future strawhats.

I know @Jew D. Boy gon love this
Whats great is that CP-0 guy is talking about "executives" here, referring to the F6 and Calamities. Clearly thats who everyone in these panels are encountering.

You got your 2 confirmed matchups with Jinbe/WsW and Franky/Sasaki, then you got your potential Ulti/Nami and Usopp matchup, followed by Sanji running from Black Maria at the moment. Put who's sort of missing from the equation (i.e. not currently implied) and you may or may not end up with a matchup like this:

- Page 1 vs Chopper (neither seen here, and we don't know if P1 is with Ulti atm)
- Ulti vs Nami/Usopp (was confirmed to still want to kill them specifically)
- Black Maria vs Robin/Brook (they are in the mansion heading up towards Sanji, who can't fight her)
- Sasaki vs Franky (confirmed)
- Wsw vs. Jinbe (confirmed)
- Jack vs. Yamato (literally the only MIA Beast Pirate, looks like everyone escaped the roof. To make Yamato urgently move from where she is does make it seem like a matchup is coming, plus her devil fruit needing to be shown off)
- Queen vs Sanji (we all know this is happening)
- King vs. Marco or Zoro or Drake (now I have my reservations, but if the rooftop fight ends badly, its possible Zoro may be forced to fight King. considering literally every other "executive" Beast Pirate seems like they will be matched to a Strawhat, it does seem weird that may not be the case for Zoro. But there is always Marco if he's not preoccupied with other issues soon, or even Drake since we have no idea what his role is right now. King definitely is the hardest matchup to come up with).


We'll see what happens, but I'm like 90% confident with P1-Queen matchups for now. Its a great way to allow every Strawhat to fight someone important, and even the new/potential ones. If the BMP become involved, its possible that is where Drake/Hawkins/Apoo/Scabbards divert their attention to. I have no idea whats happening with Perospero lol. I guess the Numbers also exist lol.
 

Cinera

𝐀𝐬𝐩𝐢𝐫𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐌𝐚𝐬𝐜𝐡𝐞𝐧𝐧𝐲 𝐏𝐞𝐭
Where do you see Zoro cutting Kaido's Tatsumakis?
He lands a really effective attack, like Luffy and Killer did
  • Kaido uses Tatsumaki and creates 3 Tornadoes:
  • Immediately after Zoro uses his own Tatsumaki and Kaido's disappears:
  • Kaido comments that Zoro is challenging him with Tatsumaki.


Kokujo Ou Tatsumaki >>> Scyther Sonic, the portrayal is very different.
  • Kokujo Ou Tatsumaki completely overpowered and destroyed Kaido's 3 tornadoes:

  • Kokujo Ou Tatsumaki cut Kaido up with blood spurting from his body.
  • Kokujo Ou Tatsumaki made Kaido cough up blood.
    • Kaido coughed up much more blood from Kokujo Ou Tatsumaki than after Luffy hit him with his Kong Gatling.
      • There are three separate panels to highlight this:


  • Kokujo Ou Tatsumaki knocked Kaido down:
  • Killer expresses surprise that Zoro cut Kaido.
  • Mama is surprised at Zoro cutting Kaido. This suggests that Zoro's Kokujo Ou Tatsumaki dealt significant damage.
    • She did not comment that Killer's, Law's, Kidd's or Luffy's other attacks (Kong Gun, Kong Rifle, Rhino Schneider) damaged Kaido.
    • Based on Mama's reaction, it should be much more damage than any other attack (with the potential exception of Kong Gatling).
    • The only other attack, she commented hurt Kaido was Red Roc.
  • Kaido acknowledged that Kokujo Ou Tatsumaki hurt him
    • The only other attack Kaido acknowledged hurt him was Red Roc.
      • Kaido previously called Law's Gamma Knife, Kidd's Slam Gibson, and Luffy's Kong Rifle "tricks":
      • He called Killer's Scyther Sonic "vexing":
  • Kokujo Ou Tatsumaki is the only successful attack to receive special recognition/treatment from the Yonkou
    • The other was Luffy's Red Roc.

Kong Gatling probably dealt more damage than Kokujo Ou Tatsumaki, but the difference may be overstated:
  • Kokujo Ou Tatsumaki made Kaido cough up much more blood than Kong Gatling
    • It also cut Kaido up and drew blood from him directly
  • It overwhelmed and completely destroyed Kaido's named tornado attack
 
Yep it's not a fair fight, but that's okay. They are pirates and not Knights or Samurai who have codes of honor.
Doffy is cunning and no, Doffy can control the shrinking I believe and like I said he simply can flyaway and its stalemate.

Nope sorry, I still don't agree because of the matchups since Law and Killer have shown techniques that can hurt even Kaido.
Killer's sonic technique has a huge aoe and Law has great mobility with his df.
Also I don't think the difference in their strength is hugely enough that such techniques won't matter as the 5 SN are doing great against two Yonkos, enough to make them enjoy the battle. As for Kidd, like I said, its a hard matchup for him unless his magnetism is actually strong enough to simply crash all the Biscuits altogether.
(Apoo also attacks with sound, but he lost to Snack (600 million). Snack 100% adaptable to Apoo. Cracker - 860 million. I believe that the maximum of Law and Kidd is Snack's strength, 600 million.)

My position has remained the same. they are weak as for me

Killer - 27 y.o.-200 million
Kidd - 23 y.o.-470 million
Law - 26 y. o.-500 million
Snack-25 y.o.-600 million
Jack- 28 y. o. - 1 billion
Cracker~Jack
 
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