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Oda loves giving us these numbers, but he also seems to have forgotten that Luffy dropped 50,000 Fishmen back in Fishman Island. 20,000 should be even close to a problem. Hell, there's at least 5 people with Conquerors on this island, and none of them thought "Hey I should drop a few thousand people".

Are these people too strong to drop? They definitely don't seem like they are.

Does it take too much energy to drop multiple people? Luffy did it pretty casually the first time. I don't even remember there being a good explanation as to why he didn't just do it again.

I'm glad that Conquerors was given a practical use in high tier fights (even though I still argue that it comes a bit out of nowhere), but the other aspect of it just seems to not utilized.
 
18 captures but sure 19s gonna work. Makes sense.
Enel is free to do what he wants and kill everyone on Skypia. Croc is free to kill everyone in alabasta right now.
Give it some time and doffy will be out too.
This chapter made it clear as day from the man himself. He will not be kept away from wano.
You realize that certain villains Luffy has beat have willingly accepted their capture right?

You literally have no idea how Kaido might feel or behave after the fact. He may give up on said dream. He may choose not to escape.

See, it's discussions like these that I find funny, because nobody can seem to think outside the box on what is actually possible and only 1 track their mindset on a theory they are so pent up on.

To me its even less likely now because no matter how shit Kaido is a father, I highly doubt he's going to have 1 crewmember lop off the head of another's father. Oda likes crushing the spirit of villains, not killing them, hence why it has never happened in 1000 chapters.

But oh well, believe what you want to believe in
 
He doesn't have a choice if they put Kairoseki on him, which restrained Big Mom. You guys are way overthinking this.

It's not like Enel or Doflamingo were killed when certain characters wanted them dead. They moved on or were properly escorted off the island by other powers. CP-0 is here, don't be shocked if they or Sword takes Kaido by the end of the arc in Kairoseki chains.
to be fair u say we are overthinking but at the same time you wont even acknowledge that kaido has stated I WON'T SETTLE FOR ANY PLACE ELSE...WANO IS SPECIAL even if he is captured he would just escape and go right back because WANO IS SPECIAL lol plus to be fair comparing enel and doffys ambition to a whole ass yonko i personally put stock in kaidos words he ain't going anywhere at all unless his head is gone which was alluded to even by himself in chap 1013 thats the only complete victory and if it doesnt happen guess what....wano is special im going back lol
 
to be fair u say we are overthinking but at the same time you wont even acknowledge that kaido has stated I WON'T SETTLE FOR ANY PLACE ELSE...WANO IS SPECIAL even if he is captured he would just escape and go right back because WANO IS SPECIAL lol plus to be fair comparing enel and doffys ambition to a whole ass yonko i personally put stock in kaidos words he ain't going anywhere at all unless his head is gone which was alluded to even by himself in chap 1013 thats the only complete victory and if it doesnt happen guess what....wano is special im going back lol
I mean, this was literally Doflamingo's mindset until it wasn't. He felt Dressrosa was his birthright, until he didn't.
 
You realize that certain villains Luffy has beat have willingly accepted their capture right?

You literally have no idea how Kaido might feel or behave after the fact. He may give up on said dream. He may choose not to escape.

See, it's discussions like these that I find funny, because nobody can seem to think outside the box on what is actually possible and only 1 track their mindset on a theory they are so pent up on.

To me its even less likely now because no matter how shit Kaido is a father, I highly doubt he's going to have 1 cremated lop off the head of another's father. Oda likes crushing the spirit of villains, not killing them, hence why it has never happened in 1000 chapters.

But oh well, believe what you want to believe in
well if u think that just because its luffy and it would be kaidos 19th defeat that that makes kaido wanting to willingly just get captured and give up on everything he has established then thats u personally i feel that would just be horrible writing odas trying to tell u imo that kaido is built diff he is not just gonna concede ...the only defeat for him is death if not he will come back to wano
 

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You realize that certain villains Luffy has beat have willingly accepted their capture right?

You literally have no idea how Kaido might feel or behave after the fact. He may give up on said dream. He may choose not to escape.

See, it's discussions like these that I find funny, because nobody can seem to think outside the box on what is actually possible and only 1 track their mindset on a theory they are so pent up on.

To me its even less likely now because no matter how shit Kaido is a father, I highly doubt he's going to have 1 crewmember lop off the head of another's father. Oda likes crushing the spirit of villains, not killing them, hence why it has never happened in 1000 chapters.

But oh well, believe what you want to believe in
Except he said he chose wano for a reason
Which means he wanted it before he got there
Which means what ever it is about wano it's not what he's built in 20 years so even if that all goes the reason he's on wano would still be there.
Losing won't break him. He's lost before.
Lmfaooooo ultis come back about 3 times you tryna tell me kaido will be done after one time of being knocked out. Dream on.
Irrelevant. She already said let him die.
 
well if u think that just because its luffy and it would be kaidos 19th defeat that that makes kaido wanting to willingly just get captured and give up on everything he has established then thats u personally i feel that would just be horrible writing odas trying to tell u imo that kaido is built diff he is not just gonna concede ...the only defeat for him is death if not he will come back to wano
We don't even know the context of why or how he was defeated in the past lol. Again, to sit here and screech HES GOTTA DIE in a manga that doesn't kill its main villains literally ever just seems weird to me.

Then somehow tying that all back to Zoro is even funnier imo. But again, I'll take that L if it happens. I've never actually been against ZKK from a story standpoint, I just doubt it's happening, just like i doubt many other things this arc.
 
Except he said he chose wano for a reason
Which means he wanted it before he got there
Which means what ever it is about wano it's not what he's built in 20 years so even if that all goes the reason he's on wano would still be there.
Losing won't break him. He's lost before.
Lmfaooooo ultis come back about 3 times you tryna tell me kaido will be done after one time of being knocked out. Dream on.
Irrelevant. She already said let him die.
Kairoseki bro. And he's never lost to Luffy. You and I very well know that it will be different because that's what Shonen protagonists do.

But whatever keep talking in absolutes like you know what's gonna happen lol. That worked out greeeeat for Seth and Chrono and countless others.
 
I mean, this was literally Doflamingo's mindset until it wasn't. He felt Dressrosa was his birthright, until he didn't.
true but guess what ..doffy still in prison like i get where u are coming from i really do and if oda did not already previously set up that kaido has been captured and escaped i'd probably side with you but kaido as a yonko has the ability to escape we dont know what that involves but all the times he has been CAPTURED he has escaped doffy has not how you can say kaido will just get beat...totally give up on his ambition...get captured and never escape when kaido said this chapter i'm not settling no matter what u do to me im not settling on any other place than wano heck yamato even said i will drive you out of wano kaido legits said driving me out of wano is not gonna work im settling here because its special
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We don't even know the context of why or how he was defeated in the past lol. Again, to sit here and screech HES GOTTA DIE in a manga that doesn't kill its main villains literally ever just seems weird to me.

Then somehow tying that all back to Zoro is even funnier imo. But again, I'll take that L if it happens. I've never actually been against ZKK from a story standpoint, I just doubt it's happening, just like i doubt many other things this arc.
i dont see at all how its tying it back into zoro is so funny or even wild to say odens 2 swords will be what truly liberate wano ama no habakiri will slay orochi .. could be momo or hiyori(my preference) enmas will was to finish off kaido because that was odens will so again that makes sense lol truthfully all we need is for ama no habakiri to slay orochi and zkk is def confirmed after that
 
true but guess what ..doffy still in prison like i get where u are coming from i really do and if oda did not already previously set up that kaido has been captured and escaped i'd probably side with you but kaido as a yonko has the ability to escape we dont know what that involves but all the times he has been CAPTURED he has escaped doffy has not how you can say kaido will just get beat...totally give up on his ambition...get captured and never escape when kaido said this chapter i'm not settling no matter what u do to me im not settling on any other place than wano heck yamato even said i will drive you out of wano kaido legits said driving me out of wano is not gonna work im settling here because its special
Again, we don't know the nature of Kaido's escapes. We don't know how or why. We don't truly even know the nature of his losses.

Maybe he does get captured. Maybe some crazy mother fucker in the government kills him and takes his power. Maybe thats in fact what blackbeard does. The point I'm trying to say is that there is no surefire way to say he is dying this arc by specific characters, even with his personality quirk about trying to die.


Don't get me wrong, I'd LOVE it if he died, but for a decade I've had my expectations in check when it comes to trying to predict things. Most of my predictions, unless big theories that have to do with groups or characters, are normally pretty safe things.

I can't get behind the death of a main villain, because there are no examples in this series to base that off of. Even more so I doubt Luffy's subordinate will take the glory of killing a Yonko after he defeats him. It's just something I don't see Oda doing, but Id love to be proven wrong.
 
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