Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1037 Spoiler Discussion

[Sir Yasheen]

From the starting of one piece till today
Luffy>zoro>sanji
But still these trillions of arguments

The problem comes from those who try to make the gaps any bigger than extreme diff fights

 

[Ask D question]

And Queen and Jozu are much closer to Marco Kata and King than they are to smoothie.

One day when smoothie gets feats we can powerscale her, but so far we can only argue that she can push Kata to a high diff like most YC2 push the commanders above them to a high diff

 

[park_min young]

Jack was underwhelming because we didn't see much of him, but canonicaly he's as strong as cracker which puts him on the same tier as doffy

Was doffy a better antagonist? Yeah he was, queen wasn't much of a character, he was an obstacle that sanji was meant to overcome psychologically and physically

Was he a better fighter? No


Doffy did not neg diff sanji back in dresrosa lmao

He only won because sanji didn't know his powers

By your logic apoo neg diffed luffy

Sanji didn't even use hell memories, and he landed only one no named attack

Doffy had to dodge the other basic kick sanji threw at him, and then blocked poêle à frire spectre which is arguably one of sanji's weakest attacks, he only uses it for fodder control

Queen's gimmicks put him above doffy

Jack's endurance and raw strength puts him on the same level

And all of these arguments ties back to Luffy having a hard time against Cracker. Cracker was the perfect counter to Luffy at the time, doesn’t mean Cracker would beat Doffy himself or was the better fighter. All you need to do against Cracker is land any decent hit, Doffy could do that with much faster strings.

Matchups are a thing, and you also forget that Doffy had to be nerfed by his organs getting destroyed. Doffy has awakening, is a smarter fighter, and CoC. Jack, and Queen relies on physical strength and Queen is a dumbass. Luffy would fold someone like Jack back in Dressrosa much easier than Doffy. Unless you believe g4 can’t beat Jack, and an idiot like Queen

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

So Kizaru ~ Old rusty drinking gambling Rayleigh > prime Mihawk?

Old rusty drinking gambling Rayleigh probably has conqueror’s coating and would throw Big Mom in a bin

 

[Adamxero]

Bro? Please don't be dumb

Queen doesn't seem YC1s as on a completely different level, just look at how he treated Marco and how he talks back to king

He just hyped up king, and mainly his race, that's it

Marco himself hyped up queen and king

With big mom he was scared of her because he knew how strong she was in comparison to him

With king he talks shit to him

Sanji can beat katakuri and king extreme diff
And Kata and king beat queen high diff

Lol you're the one being dumb thinking Sanji can beat Katakuri and King.

 

[Ask D question]

And all of these arguments ties back to Luffy having a hard time against Cracker. Cracker was the perfect counter to Luffy at the time, doesn’t mean Cracker would beat Doffy himself or was the better fighter. All you need to do against Cracker is land any decent hit, Doffy could do that with much faster strings.

Matchups are a thing, and you also forget that Doffy had to be nerfed by his organs getting destroyed. Doffy has awakening, is a smarter fighter, and CoC. Jack, and Queen relies on physical strength and Queen is a dumbass. Luffy would fold someone like Jack back in Dressrosa much easier than Doffy. Unless you believe g4 can’t beat Jack, and an idiot like Queen

Gear 4 pre whole cake is about equal to jack and weaker than queen

Doffy's coc is useless, his awakening would barely cause any damage and him being a smart fighter is the only thing that would keep him alive

 

[Sir Yasheen]

One day when smoothie gets feats we can powerscale her, but so far we can only argue that she can push Kata to a high diff like most YC2 push the commanders above them to a high diff

See and I just dont see it. Big Moms crew is portrayed very differently from Kaidos.

King Queen and Jack are portrayed that King and Queen are in the same tier with jack far below them. While Big Moms crew is portrayed that Smoothie and Cracker are in the same tier with Kata far above them

 

[Extravlad]

Oda himself stated that the original main script was about Luffy beating the 4 emperors, the 4 strongest pirates and that he added others factions such as warlords. Having focus on beating the strongest pirates makes sense in a show about pirates

Luffy struggling with Akainu doesn’t automatically mean Akainu is stronger, and Zoro have never defeated a yonko or fought one in an extended 1 on 1 before he fights Mihawk.

The main villain of the story is the World Government
Not the Lonko

 

[Ask D question]

Lol you're the one being dumb thinking Sanji can beat Katakuri and King.

Why would he not beat them?

He's straight up an improved version of King with a more balanced set of abilities, hotter flammes and better speed, he doesn't need to sacrifice his durability to gain speed, and his durability is higher than that of a normal ancient zoan, he also has a healing factor on top of a high durability

Katakuri is only a good fighter when it comes to fighting glass canons

Sanji can tank any of attacks head on and can counter his futur sight with his speed and observation haki

 

[park_min young]

Gear 4 pre whole cake is about equal to jack and weaker than queen

Doffy's coc is useless, his awakening would barely cause any damage and him being a smart fighter is the only thing that would keep him alive

How do you know g4 was weaker than Queen?? Lol. G4 boundman could have beaten Kat had Luffy knew FS from the get-go. He only needed a few hits to beat Kat, and prior to that Luffy didn’t get any powerups so his g4 was the same. If you keep using a>b>c logic, then Kat is > Queen > Jack, and Luffy in g4 was physically superior to Kat or equal.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

believe Luffy intends to fight Shanks wholeheartedly. This has been stated multiple times in the series. This will happen in CONJUNCTION to Zoro vs Mihawk as the last thing this series does
- I believe the crew as a whole can surpass Shanks', because they have already done so to Kaido and will do so to Blackbeard.
- Yes, I "think" Shanks i

And they will fight right? Luffy will convince Nami to get into a potentially lethal encounter with Shanks’ crew for no reason than to to prove that Luffy is better than Shanks right?

I want you to say this is going to happen because you say your idea started from Chapter 1… Luffy’s bet with Shanks was HIS WHOLE CREW will be better than shanks…

I believe Luffy beating two yonko this arc already proves Luffy is better and so when he meets shanks they will just have A simple talk where Shanks admits Luffy’s superiority… But no, you say there must be a fight… And because of what this bet was, that means BOTH their crews will have to get into fuckin mortal combat over their captains trying to out dick one another

 

[Ask D question]

How do you know g4 was weaker than Queen?? Lol. G4 boundman cold have beaten Kat had Luffy knew FS from the get-go. He only needed a few hits to beat Kat, and prior to that Luffy didn’t get any powerups so his g4 was the same. If you keep using a>b>c logic, then Kat is > Queen > Jack, and Luffy in g4 was physically superior to Kat or equal.

Because how the hell is luffy gonna counter queen's Invisibility combined with his lasers without future sight?
And how is gonna cause lasting damages on queen?

Marco needed a shockwave based attack to seriously damage him

Being superior to Kata in terms of raw strength doesn't mean being superior to Queen in terms of raw strength

Queen outshines every single commander in that category

He's physically the strongest ancient zoan due to his enhancements

 

[Finalbeta]

The gap between Katakuri and Smoothie is maybe a mid diff fight. Between Katakuri/King/Marco and Queen is at least high diff.
They're all in the same tier, Queens just at the lower end, hence why his bounty and portrayal put him on the same level as King with King being the stronger of the two.

It's a shame she never took a serious fight, I would have loved to test her power. Maybe she is even closer to her brother than many presume. And I would love to see her sword style.

 

[Midnight Delight]

Don't you guys get bored from Powerscaling a manga where the author himself views it as not a battle manga

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

shanks is a bad guy

And guess what that’s exactly what I’ve been saying… That the only Luffy vs shanks theories BEFORE the Eavy back theory were the stupid evil shanks theories… Good… You also know I’m right

 

[Sentinel]

G4 boundman could have beaten Kat had Luffy knew FS from the get-go.

He wouldn't. Snake Man was the correct answer to Katakuri.
Bound Man would have hit Katakuri a few times in 30 minutes, but then? The timelimit would end, making Luffy a sitting duck in result. And besides, Bound Man did a 3 combo on Katakuri who had no composure and did nothing else but trying to block each hit with his Block Mochi.

Bound Man would still extremely struggle with Katakuri's Awakening. Sure, he'd perform better this time but he would barely hit Katakuri while the latter has easier ways to hit a bigger target with his peerless donuts.

 

[park_min young]

Because how the hell is luffy gonna counter queen's Invisibility combined with his lasers without future sight?
And how is gonna cause lasting damages on queen?

Marco needed a shockwave based attack to seriously damage him

Being superior to Kata in terms of raw strength doesn't mean being superior to Queen in terms of raw strength

Queen outshines every single commander in that category

He's physically the strongest ancient zoan due to his enhancements

Queen is also slow, and slow-witted. Luffy doesn’t need FS to keep blitzing Queen with boundman. He also doesn’t need FS to keep dodging lame lasers, he was doing that with Pacifistas. Remember that boundman is extremely fast, and also aerial. Queen stays in the ground and Queen’s physical feats wasn’t even superior to boundman lol. Kong gun will damage Queen, KKG will knock him out. Queen’s greatest physical feat was crushing pre-exo Sanji who was physically inferior to boundman by leaps. Other than that, knocking out Big Mom with a slow ass move.

 

[Finalbeta]

Don't you guys get bored from Powerscaling a manga where the author himself views it as not a battle manga

Thinking about MF alone is indeed depressing

 

[sanjikun]

And all of these arguments ties back to Luffy having a hard time against Cracker. Cracker was the perfect counter to Luffy at the time, doesn’t mean Cracker would beat Doffy himself or was the better fighter. All you need to do against Cracker is land any decent hit, Doffy could do that with much faster strings.

Matchups are a thing, and you also forget that Doffy had to be nerfed by his organs getting destroyed. Doffy has awakening, is a smarter fighter, and CoC. Jack, and Queen relies on physical strength and Queen is a dumbass. Luffy would fold someone like Jack back in Dressrosa much easier than Doffy. Unless you believe g4 can’t beat Jack, and an idiot like Queen

People still unironically think Luffy was weaker than Cracker, when he was going to beat Kaido next arc. I guess Apoo is Mid Admiral level for clowning Luffy.

 

[Herrera95]

Doffy isn't YC1 never said he was I don't even have him over Cracker.

Law has feats of beating Hawkins despite the disadvantage he was at, hurt Kaido and is currently battling BM who even with 3 or 4 Sanji's they wouldn't be doing what Kid and Law are doing to her.

Killer is not above Kid that's just dumb. What feat does have to suggest that? Not to mention Kid is captain and Killer is vice captain.

Exactly Luffy who just fresh off beating Doflamingo couldn't beat Cracker 1 on 1 so that's why I say Law is way more powerful than he was in Dressrosa doesn't make sense but each island characters get way stronger. Kid and Law are easily YC1 characters currently which I don't think Sanji is.

Being captain and vice captain has nothing to do with each ones strength.

Killer manage to hurt Kaido at rooftop. Kid didn't.

Killer is superior by simply having blades.