What has awakened that the Gorosei are talking about?


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The same people mad at Wano would be mad at Enies Lobby if it was happening weekly now, Luffy and Zoro getting one shotted in water 7 would be brought up every week in tears about power creep and the complete lack of deaths are just as bad in that arc where the One Piece equivalent of a nuclear bomb happened and was previously shown to result in the eradication of everyone in Ohara except Robin.
Nope. The problema is not pacing only. Luffy and Zoro getting easily defeated in Water 7 and having insane power up at Enies Lobby is ugly for sure. But none of them were one-shotted, they are not being knocked out. Specially for Luffy, he is not getting knocked out every time and struggling with people that is not even the final villain.

Enies Lobby
  1. Luffy is defeating fodders like nothing
  2. Luffy is mid diffing Blueno because he still needed G2 and almost used G3
  3. Luffy is extreme diffing Lucci in the most heated fight ever always with angry face
Wano
  1. Luffy is struggling with fodders like Batman and Gazelleman
  2. Luffy is getting one-shotted by Kaido then knocked out 2 more time
  3. Luffy is getting two-shotted by Apoo
  4. Luffy is getting saved by Yamato from Ulti
  5. Luffy starts laughing and enjoying fighting the main villain almost becoming his best friend

See the difference? The gap and bullshit at Wano is way bigger that in Enies Lobby.

Plus, at Enies Lobby we have real tension. Strawhats are trying to save Robin and they have to do it before she reaches the gates of justice. After that would be a lot more difficult since she would be arrested at Impel Down if I'm correct until be sentenced to death.

But at Wano... Kin'emon, Kiku and Kanjuro already died many times and keep alive. Evil Sanji useless plot. And many more like that.
 
That's my point, you're basically saying if X dies at the end of Onigashima then it has ''consequence'' too.
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A yakuza boss dying wouldn't change anything as they have next to no story relevance.
Scabbsrds dying would has a huge portion of Wano is focused on these characters and Luffy is very friendly with some of them like Kinemon and Kiku.
 
  1. Luffy is struggling with fodders like Batman and Gazelleman
  2. Luffy is getting one-shotted by Kaido then knocked out 2 more time
  3. Luffy is getting two-shotted by Apoo
  4. Luffy is getting saved by Yamato from Ulti
  5. Luffy starts laughing and enjoying fighting the main villain almost becoming his best friend
Except Kaido thing, all the things you have mentioned didn't happen and blown out of proportions.......this is what happens when your mind filled with agenda or when you have cognitive bias....
 
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Two of the Top 5 are Mangas that Ended and people are buying their Volumes from start to finish.

And One Piece only got outsold by MHA due to all the Breaks Oda took
One Piece is not the only manga taking breaks.

And stop that bullshit believe that ended mangas sells better because One Piece was top 1 for a long time and only now is dropping not only to KnY and JJK impressive sales but all others that are selling what OP used to sell in good days before Wano.
 
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Except Kaido thing, all the things you have mentioned didn't happen and blown out of proportions.......this is what happens when your mind filled with agenda or when you have cognitive bias....
Luffy didn't struggled with Batman and Gazelleman?
He didn't got two-shotted by Apoo?
Yamato didn't saved him?

What manga you are reading?
 
One Piece is not the only manga taking breaks.

And stop that bullshit believe that ended mangas sells better because One Piece was top 1 for a long time and only now is dropping not only to KnY and JJK impressive sales but all others that are selling what OP used to sell in good days before Wano.
Nana and Death Note outsold One Piece each for a while during the 2000s.
 
Kaido isn't being defeated by just anyone, it's the protagonist on a series that is near the end and will become PK, PLOT wise Enies Lobby was also portrayed in its day as a place that had never been breached and one of the most important facilities of the government and besides a bounty increase there were barely consequences.
I really don't know If I need to explane basics of what good story is, but apparently I need to to do this.
Let's start with comparison of different stories and how they was build up:
1. Naruto was strongest case he has sealed Nine-fox demon in himself, that destroyed village and it took life of "strongest" fourth kage to just seal him. No one was ever asking question, why Naruto was strong enough to defeate anyone;
2. Bleach, it's a bit different...but Ichigo gained power to defeate Aizen with big pay-off losing his power, plus he gained shinigami+hollow power, which was already explaned as stronger than usual shinigami, so no questions there, and pay-off was huge;
3. Hunter x Hunter - Gon was apreccicated and "seen" by everyone by his potential, so in the end to defeate Pitou he used all his potential, and was nearly dead after that, losed all his nen;
4. Dragon Ball - in that story Goku was never even showed as normal human being, he was from different race, race of strongest, so there was no Big Deal to him became stronger than any other sayajin, case unlike others he learned not only brutal way of life, but learned also to love and care about others, which made him special between his race;
5. My Hero Akademia - Deku received the Power of Strongest...so how he can not be in the end strongest?!
6. Natsu was special from the very begining, he was END and much more, so there is no questions about him;

I can continue that list but thing is that all those shonen characters have power and that power was explaned, unlike One Piece where main theme was " make your dream possible, even if it is impossible". So Luffy was basically compared to others like just a guy with dream, that has no super power inside of him. And even learning COA COC did not made him different from others. But aside of him we have Ace, the Roger's son, who failed in defeating Younko. We have many other pirates whose life was destroyed because they wasn't able defeate a Younko: Doffy, Crocodile, Moria...all of them, and much more people. Because of that fact only there was build whole plot lines, that made em live peaceful life, plotting their revenge like Crocodile. And we talk about people who was adults, not just youngest of them. Ace was young but he failed in his mission. BlackBeard planned whole his life to became stronger then Younko. This is not about power scalling, this is about PLOT of ONE PIECE. Now question is what they lack, that Luffy has? If Oda made just Luffy super power guy who is special, it wouldn't be big deal right here, but it is case Luffy just success in something where everyone failed.
And that is the problem,NO explanation, NO excuse...this is just FAIL. EPIC FAIL.
 
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One Piece is not the only manga taking breaks.

And stop that bullshit believe that ended mangas sells better because One Piece was top 1 for a long time and only now is dropping not only to KnY and JJK impressive sales but all others that are selling what OP used to sell in good days before Wano.
One Piece's current output is less than the rest, most mangaka do not get the same breaks like Oda. MHA released 4 volumes last year. OP released 3 and has been for 4 years now
 
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