One Piece Chapter 1046: Raizo
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I do get your point. But you guys are not understanding what I’m saying. I’m not saying kaido isn’t awakened. I’m saying he already is.
Crocodile says that Zoans that are awakened have great strength, toughness and recovery rate.
hmm who does it remind me of????
oh wait… Kaido comes to mind.
Minotaurs design awakened
Rob lucci‘a design not awakened
Big upper body small legs. It’s the typical hybrid form for both.
We know for sure that awakened Zoans Have greater strength and recovery. Where is the confirmation for extra form? This comes from choppers rumber ball but we don’t know if that has anything to do with awakening.
again confirmed info is increased strength, toughness and recovery. Until somebody shows me some proof that awakened zoans have extra forms I will say kaido and king are awakened, maybe even queen. It’s just we couldn’t tell the difference.
Crocodile says that Zoans that are awakened have great strength, toughness and recovery rate.
hmm who does it remind me of????
oh wait… Kaido comes to mind.
Minotaurs design awakened
Rob lucci‘a design not awakened
Big upper body small legs. It’s the typical hybrid form for both.
We know for sure that awakened Zoans Have greater strength and recovery. Where is the confirmation for extra form? This comes from choppers rumber ball but we don’t know if that has anything to do with awakening.
again confirmed info is increased strength, toughness and recovery. Until somebody shows me some proof that awakened zoans have extra forms I will say kaido and king are awakened, maybe even queen. It’s just we couldn’t tell the difference.
I do get your point. But you guys are not understanding what I’m saying. I’m not saying kaido isn’t awakened. I’m saying he already is.
Crocodile says that Zoans that are awakened have great strength, toughness and recovery rate.
hmm who does it remind me of????
oh wait… Kaido comes to mind.
Minotaurs design awakened
Rob lucci‘a design not awakened
Big upper body small legs. It’s the typical hybrid form for both.
We know for sure that awakened Zoans Have greater strength and recovery. Where is the confirmation for extra form? This comes from choppers rumber ball but we don’t know if that has anything to do with awakening.
again confirmed info is increased strength, toughness and recovery. Until somebody shows me some proof that awakened zoans have extra forms I will say kaido and king are awakened, maybe even queen. It’s just we couldn’t tell the difference.
Crocodile says that Zoans that are awakened have great strength, toughness and recovery rate.
hmm who does it remind me of????
oh wait… Kaido comes to mind.
Minotaurs design awakened
Rob lucci‘a design not awakened
Big upper body small legs. It’s the typical hybrid form for both.
We know for sure that awakened Zoans Have greater strength and recovery. Where is the confirmation for extra form? This comes from choppers rumber ball but we don’t know if that has anything to do with awakening.
again confirmed info is increased strength, toughness and recovery. Until somebody shows me some proof that awakened zoans have extra forms I will say kaido and king are awakened, maybe even queen. It’s just we couldn’t tell the difference.
--Kaido who is more knowledgeable than us clearly mentions Mythical zoan awakening gives a new form
--So using normal zoans as an example is faulty because kaido is a mythical zoan and even then they are more animal like see their face and body structure
Sure, but Kaidou has a fish fruit. So for all we know Kaidou's awakening was what changed him from fish to dragon (after all the legend his mythical zoan is based on is the fish that swam up the river to become a dragon).
The way these things work simply isn't consistent. If gear 5th is Luffy's equivalent to a supposed Kaidou awakened form, then what is Luffy's equivalent to Kaidou's dragon form? What is Luffy's hybrid vs base form? What was King's hybrid form? The way these work just isn't consistent across the board.
The way these things work simply isn't consistent. If gear 5th is Luffy's equivalent to a supposed Kaidou awakened form, then what is Luffy's equivalent to Kaidou's dragon form? What is Luffy's hybrid vs base form? What was King's hybrid form? The way these work just isn't consistent across the board.
--Kaido's fruit is azure dragon model ; Kaku's fruit is -- Ox model Giraffe -- Doesn't mean Kaku is an ox
--Momonosuke didn't became fish and directly transforms into dragon also
--Luffy is a human model not an animal model -- Nika is basically a normal looking human with rubber abilities hence luffy's base zoan and hybrid form looks the same as its a a basic hito hito no mi model
--Momonosuke didn't became fish and directly transforms into dragon also
--Luffy is a human model not an animal model -- Nika is basically a normal looking human with rubber abilities hence luffy's base zoan and hybrid form looks the same as its a a basic hito hito no mi model
What I'm saying is that these aren't rules, they're rationalizations. You're coming up with a reason why some fruits are different, but the text doesn't state this. Maybe Momo went straight to dragon because that's how the fruit works. Maybe it was because the fruit is a failure. Maybe Luffy works this way because he's not an animal model. Maybe it's because Luffy's fruit is just special and it just works differently. Again, it's speculation.
Could Kaidou pull out a new form next chapter? Sure. But it's not an established rule that he has to have one. At the end of the day Oda does make shit up because he thinks it will be fun and serve the story.
Could Kaidou pull out a new form next chapter? Sure. But it's not an established rule that he has to have one. At the end of the day Oda does make shit up because he thinks it will be fun and serve the story.
Where Kaido has two forms lol
@Monkey D Al
--What happens if a human eats a plain human model DF? Will he have a zoan form or hybrid form? No because the creature in question is a human hence all the forms are same but in Nika's case you get additional rubber abilities
--Luffy's current form is a result of awakening
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@Monkey D Al
--What happens if a human eats a plain human model DF? Will he have a zoan form or hybrid form? No because the creature in question is a human hence all the forms are same but in Nika's case you get additional rubber abilities
--Luffy's current form is a result of awakening
Finally someone who speaks some sense. Thank you.
I agree with you. We do not know how mythical zoans work.
Luffy’s fruit gives him paramecia ability and with the awakening a transformation
Marco gives him logia abilities and healing abilities
Kaido dragon form is the one that follow the zoan rules the most though. Because what it does is allow him transform into a dragon and that dragon has special abilities like breathing fire and creating storms and clouds. Excluding this abilities though it follows the normal zoan rules quite a lot. And the same goes for Yamato and Sengoku.
Marco and Luffy so far are exceptions because they actually give them abilities from a different devil fruit category.
I agree with you. We do not know how mythical zoans work.
Luffy’s fruit gives him paramecia ability and with the awakening a transformation
Marco gives him logia abilities and healing abilities
Kaido dragon form is the one that follow the zoan rules the most though. Because what it does is allow him transform into a dragon and that dragon has special abilities like breathing fire and creating storms and clouds. Excluding this abilities though it follows the normal zoan rules quite a lot. And the same goes for Yamato and Sengoku.
Marco and Luffy so far are exceptions because they actually give them abilities from a different devil fruit category.
It seems you haven't read the manga properly
--Every zoan fruit the moment you eat then gives you zoan and hybrid forms -- That is same with every zoan user period
--With awakening it gives you a 4th new form like luffy is showing
--King/queen/marco are not awakened users and are not mentioned as such
--Every zoan fruit the moment you eat then gives you zoan and hybrid forms -- That is same with every zoan user period
--With awakening it gives you a 4th new form like luffy is showing
--King/queen/marco are not awakened users and are not mentioned as such
--Kaido who is more knowledgeable than us clearly mentions Mythical zoan awakening gives a new form
--So using normal zoans as an example is faulty because kaido is a mythical zoan and even then they are more animal like see their face and body structure
--So using normal zoans as an example is faulty because kaido is a mythical zoan and even then they are more animal like see their face and body structure
Because zoans allow you to transform and not paramecias and not logias. He does not say the mythical zoans give you an extra form.
He is confused because Luffy’s abilities work like a paramecia yet allow him to transform like a zoan. You are misunderstanding the circumstances and only reading one panel and not everything.