Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1055 Spoilers Discussion
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Nah, the point is Zoro learned Haki from his mentor primarily as well, just like Luffy did. Think about it, in the only flashback between Mihawk & Timeskip Zoro, we see Mihawk teach him Haki. Not sword techniques.
True but the same applies to Luffy as well. He never really learned anything except Haki from Rayleigh but was able to improve his Gears and came up with Gear 4. And most of Zoro's improved sword techniques are just COA versions of his old techniques - the slashes travelling longer & the tornadoes getting larger are simply due to using COA in his moves now. Zoro noted that using Shusui made his pound hawks stronger on one blade in Thriller Bark due to the weight of the blade, meaning the weight of the swing factors into the strength of the slash and the weight of the slash obviously increases with haki infusion, therefore stronger slashes, larger tatsumakis and longer travelling for pound hawks etc,. Just like how haki infusion made Luffy's gear 2 & gear 3 punches stronger.
Ive never really argued that Mihawk has the strongest haki (or stronger haki than Shanks). But then again, having stronger haki does not mean that a character is stronger since what matters is results & results are the sum of all the parts put together of which haki is just one part. Best ex is Kata vs Luffy where Kata still had better CoO but Luffy beat & surpassed him. Disagree about the no-touch zone Genkidama, imo thats just Bajrung Gun vs Blazing Bagua juxtaposed on the Moon as a background since we only see that "no touch zone" your talking about in one panel which can also be interpreted this way.
Luffy already had CoC in pre TS whereas Zoro only got it in Wano. Why do you think Mihawk should teach someone who isnt a CoC user about CoC? Then again, its not like he wasnt taught about CoC, at FMI he clearly recognizes what it is and talks about it like he knows what it is. Against Kaido he just didnt know what he did.
Again, Roger, Oden, Shanks were all given the same verbage when their relationship with their sword was brought about - "Roger's beloved sword Ace, Oden's beloved sword Enma, Shanks' beloved sword Gryphon", what do you think that means? Besides, didnt Akainu call Vista, a swordsman, a Haki user in Marineford? Pretty sure I can dig up more quotes of characters referring to Zoro as a haki user. Plus lets look at Wano Kuni, the land of the swordsmen. What is the most prevalent power here (like Mantra in Skypeia)? Ryou Haki, basically CoA infusion in the blade. And out of all the Wano citizens we know of, only Oden had CoC and voila, he could infuse CoC with the blade.
Wait didnt he think about his promise to Luffy to not lose until he beats that man and becomes the WSS right after beating King & before proclaiming himself as KoH?
Zoro tamed Oden's sword and he spent the entire arc upgrading his swordsmanship via techniques like Flame cutting, Clear Lance etc, before ultimately taking it to the highest level using CoC. So what gives?
Thing is, we know Kaido met Shanks but we dont see him meeting Mihawk at all in his entire flashback. Im pretty sure you would agree with me that Oden is weaker than characters like Big Mom/Mihawk but Oden is up there while these characters arent & why is that?
I agree wirh all three of this. Thing is, I dont think Shanks is going to be Luffy's opponent, not anymore. But yes, until proven otherwise, Shanks has the best CoC in the verse maybe after Roger.
At the very least the argument is that Shanks & Mihawk are relative, just like how Whitebeard & Roger are. And that Haki infusion is also a part of swordsmanship.
True but the same applies to Luffy as well. He never really learned anything except Haki from Rayleigh but was able to improve his Gears and came up with Gear 4. And most of Zoro's improved sword techniques are just COA versions of his old techniques - the slashes travelling longer & the tornadoes getting larger are simply due to using COA in his moves now. Zoro noted that using Shusui made his pound hawks stronger on one blade in Thriller Bark due to the weight of the blade, meaning the weight of the swing factors into the strength of the slash and the weight of the slash obviously increases with haki infusion, therefore stronger slashes, larger tatsumakis and longer travelling for pound hawks etc,. Just like how haki infusion made Luffy's gear 2 & gear 3 punches stronger.
Ive never really argued that Mihawk has the strongest haki (or stronger haki than Shanks). But then again, having stronger haki does not mean that a character is stronger since what matters is results & results are the sum of all the parts put together of which haki is just one part. Best ex is Kata vs Luffy where Kata still had better CoO but Luffy beat & surpassed him. Disagree about the no-touch zone Genkidama, imo thats just Bajrung Gun vs Blazing Bagua juxtaposed on the Moon as a background since we only see that "no touch zone" your talking about in one panel which can also be interpreted this way.
Luffy already had CoC in pre TS whereas Zoro only got it in Wano. Why do you think Mihawk should teach someone who isnt a CoC user about CoC? Then again, its not like he wasnt taught about CoC, at FMI he clearly recognizes what it is and talks about it like he knows what it is. Against Kaido he just didnt know what he did.
Again, Roger, Oden, Shanks were all given the same verbage when their relationship with their sword was brought about - "Roger's beloved sword Ace, Oden's beloved sword Enma, Shanks' beloved sword Gryphon", what do you think that means? Besides, didnt Akainu call Vista, a swordsman, a Haki user in Marineford? Pretty sure I can dig up more quotes of characters referring to Zoro as a haki user. Plus lets look at Wano Kuni, the land of the swordsmen. What is the most prevalent power here (like Mantra in Skypeia)? Ryou Haki, basically CoA infusion in the blade. And out of all the Wano citizens we know of, only Oden had CoC and voila, he could infuse CoC with the blade.
Wait didnt he think about his promise to Luffy to not lose until he beats that man and becomes the WSS right after beating King & before proclaiming himself as KoH?
Zoro tamed Oden's sword and he spent the entire arc upgrading his swordsmanship via techniques like Flame cutting, Clear Lance etc, before ultimately taking it to the highest level using CoC. So what gives?
Thing is, we know Kaido met Shanks but we dont see him meeting Mihawk at all in his entire flashback. Im pretty sure you would agree with me that Oden is weaker than characters like Big Mom/Mihawk but Oden is up there while these characters arent & why is that?
I agree wirh all three of this. Thing is, I dont think Shanks is going to be Luffy's opponent, not anymore. But yes, until proven otherwise, Shanks has the best CoC in the verse maybe after Roger.
At the very least the argument is that Shanks & Mihawk are relative, just like how Whitebeard & Roger are. And that Haki infusion is also a part of swordsmanship.
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