Who is stronger?


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nik87

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I didn't admit to anything. I have common sense. Fighting a blade user in a 1v1 opossing him with bare fists/legs is naturally putting one at a disadvantage so levelling the playing field by using one is not confirmation that one is a swordsman but rather that one has the skills to adapt to oponnents and fighting styles.

Yes. If Kizaru and Akainu were to fight. Akainu would cancel his blade usage with his own weapon. Whether it is a spear, sword or scythe is irrelevant but based on Akainu wielding a blade in his youth saying he would create a Magma sword is logical in itself. This confirms that the deciding factor in their fight isn't the blade because all C3 received equal amount of swordsmanship training as they shared the same tutors.

You're lying. Fujitora has no added skills apart from his swordsmanship. All of his attacks are performed with the blade. He attacks and blocks with the blade. Kizaru kicks, punches, shoots beams like a marksman and uses swords when the situation calls for it.

Is Kizaru now a Marksmen or a Kickboxer ?

What a dumb statement. Eating the fruit is one thing, creating diversity depend solely on the skills of the user.

There's no diversity to the blade. It does the same thing always.
But you are literally admitting the superiority of weaponized combatants despite saying otherwise earlier, lmao.
Kizaru steps up to a swordsman. Akainu steps up to swordsman, spear, scythe, whatever... You literally acknowledge it.
The only difference is that Kizaru has proven himself as an excellent swordsman while Akainu never did.
And if he ends up fighting his main fight vs Zoro of all swordsmen in the world, that will make him into a caliber of swordsman that Akainu cant dream of.

Pulling a meteor out of space is not a swordsman's abilty, lmao. Sending gravitational pressure akin to Vergo's ultimate move on steroids isnt a swordsman's ability either. Pressing people into the ground through gravity isnt a swordsman's ability either. Those are all skills added through DF, on top of his swordsmanship and you know this well and yet pretend to not know it...

The sole act of eating a DF, even by accident, is the super "skill" of creating diversity, lol.
A blade can do it all, that's why supreme swordsmen can achieve everything with just a metal bar in their hands.
There is nothing a swordsman cant deal with. Diverse combatants have to diversify into swordsmanship to face swordsmen, just like admitted.

You said it yourself. Where is Kizaru's meito?
You simply don't get what Admirals represent. They're built to be military weapons not masters of one combat area. Get that in that thick skull of yours.
As I said, Kizaru's sword is very likely to be a meito. Kizaru lived by a sword and will die by a sword.
His fate is facing Zoro, a swordsman.
He is a master of the sword, just like Fujitora is. Just because he ate a DF, he didnt stop being a swordsman.

So essentially you're saying is "there's one attribute Zoro's oponnent has over Luffy's oponnent so I'm gonna pretend like Zoro's oponnent is overall stronger right ?"
Whether Zoro's oponnents are tougher is complete headcanon. One undeniable truth always stands though which is that Luffy's oponnent is and will forever be superior.
Same for Akainu. Akainu's feats stand head and shoulders above Kizaru's in MF. It's no argument.

Like with all of Zoro's oponnents. They surpass Luffy's in one area and for Kizaru it is speed but he is and will always remain inferior to Akainu.
Zoro's opponents are always superior when it comes to facing Zoro, Luffy's opponents dont have much to offer vs Zoro.
The only thing Luffy's opponents have over Zoro's opponents are narrative. Not hard considering that Zoro's opponents dont have any narrative at all. Narrative doesnt affect their individual strength tho, it never did. The might Kaido is the toughest in the world, turns out Zoro's opponent who is a nobody is tougher than the guy who has all the narrative.

What part of treating WB as nuisance is head and shoulders below being two-shotted by that WB?
The funny thing about Zoro's opponents is that they are designed to be unbeatable by Luffy. That's why Zoro takes them out.
But I know it's hard to digest that because Oda didnt spell it out so you get to pretend like it isnt so.

You have no idea what equal means. The fact that Akainu and Aokiji had a deathmatch confirms that they were equal, Akainu just edged it out. The only reason WB and Roger didn't decide a clear winner is because they stopped fighting at some point while the Admirals took the fight to the brink of death.
Aokiji is STILL an equal to Akainu just like Kizaru is but ultimately they were and will remain weaker than him.

So yes. Akainu defeating Aokiji also directly makes him the strongest Admiral because Kizaru can't prove he can do the same.
You are literally projecting Aokiji's fate and applying it to Kizaru. It is nothing but wishful thinking.
Who said Kizaru cant prove the same? Did he fight an Admiral and failed to beat him? lol

You're desperately trying to disprove Akainu's superiority. I'm just following what Oda has layed down for us.
I am not desperate about anything because there is no Akainu's superiority over Kizaru.
The opposite is true, desperate attempts to make Akainu superior to Kizaru...
You obviously allow your bias to cloud your judgement despite knowing who Oda is and that there is no superiority over anybody in his work unless specifically said between two individuals or WS title being used and even that is doubted by nearly everyone and yet you try to pull stunts like Akainu>Kizaru, lol...

No Akainu got the promotion because he fought an equal, has surpassed his limits in said fight and ultimately surpassed his peers and with that Kizaru after which he went on to become FA the position that even has higher portrayal to an Admiral.

So Akainu has the better feat and better standing.
Emojis won't win arguments for you.
Akainu surpassing his limits is your headcanon, nothing more, nothing less. Stick to the facts.
There is no better feat nor better standing. Unless you want to admit Sengoku>Akainu and Kong>Akainu? Gorosei>Akainu?
Start picking and choosing. Emojis are too good not to be used when someone is desperate to force his headcanons. :myman:

So you're blaming readers for not making up random shit out thin air without the author of the manga confirm such things whatsoever so I'm free to state whatever delusion i have and it can't be disproven as long as Oda doesn't spell it out ?
And you're making it seem like the guys that wait for Oda to spell it out are the issue ?
Hey, it is not me who denied Zoro using haki since Alabasta.
Or Zoro having traits of a Conqueror.
Or manifesting Demon God into this world through desire for Power.
It is yall, the gang that needs everything spelled out.

If his strength was second to none he would've been granted the killing shot over the strongest creature but do you remember who or to put it better WHAT Oda used to end the strongest creature ?
Akainu's element.

Also because he isn't that important will be the reason he'll never surpass Luffy.
Because he was granted the most brutal finisher on a creature that is tougher than Kaido.
No narrative behind it but better feat regardless because King's toughness>Kaido's toughness is a fact.
He cant surpass Luffy because he never fell behind Luffy.
Yall literally have been claiming Luffy's superiority the whole time and rooftop debunked the delusions.
One big panchi later, you are back to the same delusions... Akainu's element ended WSC? Who said he is dead? Headcanon.

It's from Movie Z and as far as I'm aware canon. Akainu was using a sword in his youth in the Navy but for some reason dropped it. Also interesting. Why would Akainu drop a sword but continue growing stronger with the years, isn't that going against the swordsmanship > all narrative?
As long as he doesnt use a sword in the manga itself, there is no need to bother with it.
You already admitted that he would sword up if he ended up fighting a swordsman so he would abandon a superior magma and would downgrade himself to swordsman? Oh wait... :milaugh:
What are you posting that for?
Is that somehow supposed to disprove Lunarian King being tougher than Kaido, WB and Roger? :saden:
 
no but for me nothing impressive in this dude since it was for a realy short amount of time and zoro was obviously not enought or luffy would not have been needed to save lucci and vegapunk.
you dont know how long they fought, stop saying things like 1 seconds when clearly thats not true, you just come out looking foolish saying things like this.
the seraphim are strong enough that not even Zoro can fight both and defend CP-0 at the same time, this is a feat for both Zoro and the seraphim.
everything you just said is plain hate and downplay for Zoro, he is just a character in black and white stop the hate, sure some here make fun of Zoro and Sanji but for you its pure hate, you need to check yourself before you become an extremely toxic individual in your everyday life
 
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