Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1077 Spoilers Discussion

Who is the traitor?


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Because we'll need it in the future for Seraphim. The fight's conclusion was King was out of options against Zoro despite his superior genetics, which is what triggered him into facing Zoro head-on instead of him trying to stall Zoro until he runs out of juice.




You've lost the right to lecture people about logic the moment you tried dancing around King literally dodging Zoro in a flame-on mode where Zoro mocks him for being scared of him despite having his defense—all of this happened after King noted that Zoro found his weakness. It's a no-brainer for regular people.
Dude King with flame on dodge zoro attacks before acoc ...
 

TheAncientCenturion

I will never forgive Oda
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Zoro can use his armament haki the same way he did his conquerors

When zoro learned King of hell it wasnt just a single boost it was multiple at once
  1. Him being able to use excess haki throughout all his swords at the same time
    • Something he can do with and without conquerors
  2. Him being able to coat his attacks with conquerors
Current zoro is way stronger than he was at the start of the king fight even without conquerors haki
Current Zoro isn’t that much stronger. He can fight at his level without restrictions. CoA literally won’t be enough lmao
 
Considering the AP level of the damage king received is miles ahead of what katakuri did it's understandable.

Snake man G4 attacks would do so little that one would think he's healing king.
Every character has different abilities. Katakuri's ability is that he's untouchable unless you have unthinkable speed.
 
seen a bit of discussion specifically on lunarians and why they are extinct if their durability is this impressive
on average its prob not this special
willing to believe more specifically, its king's that is .


Hence why he was the sole survivor and the subject of experimentation for the Wg .
iirc kaido mentioned the sequence of endurance test they ringed him through as a kid .
good example
oden , momo , big mom have tougher bodies than average humans .



dont doubt lunarians are tough , but king particularly seems tougher even amonst his folks. No one experiments/makes clones with average joe's, you pick the exceptional ones.
I do hope we find out why the lunarians went near extinct. Of course it’s possible oda didn’t think that far when designing them.
 

ConquistadoR

The Rogue Prince
He doesn’t say they’re invincible, that’s the important distinction.
You're still not answering my question.
Zoro knows Luffy can use CoC and still tells him to attack Flame Off.
Why?


Yes he did. Zoro turns the tides of battle with a power up, arguably the biggest type in the series. Oda does not give these out unless the characters require them.
Again, he needed it to beat King before Enma killed him.
Not in generally.

As @nik87 said, this forum is one CoC attack on Flame On Lunarian failing, away from being an utter Salt mine.
 
If AP wasn’t needed Oda wouldn’t have added COC coating the final stage of the fight and the only moment where Zoro gets the upper hand
Aside from the fact thay u are pertaining a contextually false reason to zoro's AP increase.. Which was he had to conquer enma and meet its standards like zoro himself stated and in that moment he used Coc to do exactly that is what transpired and not that him realising that king is invincible and just awakened Acoc to surpass his limit or whatever.
(which is what zoro wanted "surpass his current limit" agajn Daz bones who unlike King was portrayed to be invincible)

Which provides a loop hole coz AP is useless when you can just wait for him to lower his flames not only that it also proves that AP was a bi-product of zoro exerting his haki to its fullest.

It is logically erroneous to assume AP was needed to BEAT king when King literally has the most obvious vulnerability introduced and established and the notion of King being absolutely invincible or need AP to beat is nowhere to be deduced

If AP was needed (as the main catalyst of the fight) there would have been more backing that notion up than It being introduced as a mere biproduct to something that was an irrelevant answer to king's supoosed invincibility that you claim.


Lets not forget zoro was on a timer so AP was useful since zoro was desperately trying to finish this quickly

But that doesn't mean he couldnt beat king without that AP given the aforementioned technicalities and problems with the notion

Your claim as you can see twists the narrative and mischaracterizes their contexts
 
Luffy knows about Kaido's durability and acquires a specific ability --->
Kaido didn't lose or get low diffed

Katakuri's secret is known---> doesn't lose to Boundman and tanks 3 moves nor shortly after
Lasts hours and still matches fs g4 in the end.

When awakened law and kid bypass BM durability---> she tanks even more offscreen and on screen
Doesn't lose badly

When it comes to King: loses in 3 moves *low diff to EnOu zoro
 
I will give this to Zoro fanboys: If Luffy is comparing their durability to Kaido, it's pretty hype for King's "flame on" durability.

But also this: He got no diffed along with Queen & co by the weakest Admiral, so he's really not that strong.

You have to take in all the evidence.
 
Yeah start of onigashima compared to end of onigashima king seem to work pretty differently
Just compare zoro's onigiri where he bled vs his shishisonson where he didn't
Oda wanted to give King something

He realised he flopped with King so much during wano arc
So he did whatever with him now having some durability even tho he bled last times with flames on
 
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