Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1077 Spoilers Discussion

[Monster Luffy]

Yeah, the only difference being Lunarians can move around like anyone else in a battle.

So let me get this straight. As long as flame is ON, Lunarian is invincible and adCoC is required to beat Lunarian right? Guess the Lunarian was extinct by some highly proficient CoC users.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

You're still not answering my question.
Zoro knows Luffy can use CoC and still tells him to attack Flame Off.
Why?



Again, he needed it to beat King before Enma killed him.
Not in generally.

As @nik87 said, this forum is one CoC attack on Flame On Lunarian failing, away from being an utter Salt mine.

The moment you quote Nik is when your credibility falls lol.

Zoro needed CoC to overcome King, these attacks are literally what pressures Zoro and makes him not want to confront Zoro in CQC flame mode or not.

 

[Lor D. Coast]

King > kata
Is like saying zoro > Luffy
Which is wrong

If King was above kata, he'd fight Luffy or Kid or law not Zoro.
He will have CoC + awakening or adhaki, not rely on genetics only

A-And current Luffy would need Lucci and the whole crew to beat Katakuri because he has base CoC and a mid power like awakening!!!
Lanji gives Katakuri a fight, Jinbei would extreme diff his ass.

 

[sanjikun]

You guys still arguing about a guy who got neg diff 2v1 vs green bull.

It wasn't even 2 v. 1. It was King, Queen + the entire prison.

 

[ShadyOjiro]

Every character has different abilities. Katakuri's ability is that he's untouchable unless you have unthinkable speed.

Bro you used as argument him not going down fast after his "trick" being discovered compared to king in a disingenuous way.

Without acknowledging that Kata received weak ass attacks compared to king.

 

[OPKnK]

This is getting pathetic.

Zoro can cut fire. The scene I provided has him cutting through a dragon size fire to get to King yet you believe he can't get close to Kaido.

The size of the attack are very differnt .
That like saying because someone can block or stop a gear 3 luffy punch they can stop Bajurangu Gan .
Zoro not cutting threw a island size fire dragon that 100 times of the one you showing .
Him getting close to king who was not on fire like kaido would still be even if cut part of it unless you think all fire on Kaido would go out .
Not to mention that Kaido was using COC when he try eat luffy fist in that mode.

 

[Albino 👑]

Current Zoro isn’t that much stronger. He can fight at his level without restrictions. CoA literally won’t be enough lmao

Current zoro is definitely way stronger than he was at the start of the king fight even without conquerors

 

[Nidai_Kitetsu]

The point is there is nothing invincible in front of AdCoC. Without AdCoC, King is unbeatable.

 

[zzShinichi]

All of this is basically Zoro's and Greenbull's hype anyways

 

[Mr. Reloaded]

I’m guessing: Dom Shoes will weaken the non DF users and DF users will be hit with a bubble shield bubble

Something like that yeah.

 

[Konstantis]

«WCI Luffy could have beaten King with G4 »

So you decided that Luffy can't beat King case first attack didn't work?

 

[JoNdule]

Aside from the fact thay u are pertaining a contextually false reason to zoro's AP increase.. Which was he had to conquer enma and meet its standards like zoro himself stated and in that moment he used Coc to do exactly that is what transpired and not that him realising that king is invincible and just awakened Acoc to surpass his limit or whatever.
(which is what zoro wanted "surpass his current limit" agajn Daz bones who unlike King was portrayed to be invincible)

Which provides a loop hole coz AP is unless when you can just wait for him to lower his flames not only that it also proves that AP was a bi-product of zoro exerting his haki to its fullest.

It is logically erroneous to assume AP was needed to BEAT king when King literally has the most obvious vulnerability introduced and established and the notion of King being absolutely invincible or need AP to beat is nowhere to be deduced

If AP was needed (as the main catalyst of the fight) there would have been more backing that notion up than It being introduced as a mere byproduct to something that was an irrelevant answer to king's supoosed invincibility that you claim.


Lets not forget zoro was on a timer so AP was useful since zoro was desperately trying to finish this quickly

But that doesn't mean he couldnt beat king without that AP given the aforementioned technicalities and problems with the notion

Your claim as you can see twists the narrative and mischaracterizes their contexts

Anyone claiming you need adcoc or g5 or top tier AP to beat King is living in denial

Zoro never said anything about lack of AP/ power against King
He did so against kaido many times where he wanted enma to unleash more, where he cried he couldn't knock him down. When he complained their attacks wasn't working on Rocks duo

Zoro issue with King was knowing his tricks.
Issue with enma was taming it and he got CoC for enma not King

 

[Monster Luffy]

Again you a mistaken, haki works on logias because it can counter devil fruit abilities, haki isn't a counter to other races.

It is not about race. Mechanism is the same. Scales or Lunarian will offer you exterior toughness. Internal organs are internal. And internal destruction mechanism to bypass external defense. Like how red roc worked.

 

[Lor D. Coast]

What real fight? The only person coming here is Kizaru… What will Zoro be doing as Luffy fights Kizaru?

Luffy is not fighting a swordsman and Akainu's RHM.

 

[sanjikun]

Bro you used as argument him not going down fast after his "trick" being discovered compared to king in a disingenuous way.

Without acknowledging that Kata received weak ass attacks compared to king.

Yes, because Zoro is not Snakeman speed.

ACoC Zoro has enough AP to beat Katakuri, but the issue is landing it.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

Im not sure about degrees of toughness.
It doesnt make sense if thats how it is when i think the ability is outright Invulnerability to damage & not durability.

could be that
cant figure out why would king resort to blocking zoro's attacks then in that fight if that were simply the case.


surely he would know in that state no matter what , he isnt getting hurt.

 

[MonsterZoro]

Blue flames by pass red flame btw don’t ask me how I know

 

[Sir Yasheen]

I will give this to Zoro fanboys: If Luffy is comparing their durability to Kaido, it's pretty hype for King's "flame on" durability.

But also this: He got no diffed along with Queen & co by the weakest Admiral, so he's really not that strong.

You have to take in all the evidence.

Good point, which admiral did Katakuri fight again?

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Aside from the fact thay u are pertaining a contextually false reason to zoro's AP increase.. Which was he had to conquer enma and meet its standards like zoro himself stated and in that moment he used Coc to do exactly that is what transpired and not that him realising that king is invincible and just awakened Acoc to surpass his limit or whatever.
(which is what zoro wanted "surpass his current limit" agajn Daz bones who unlike King was portrayed to be invincible)

Which provides a loop hole coz AP is unless when you can just wait for him to lower his flames not only that it also proves that AP was a bi-product of zoro exerting his haki to its fullest.

It is logically erroneous to assume AP was needed to BEAT king when King literally has the most obvious vulnerability introduced and established and the notion of King being absolutely invincible or need AP to beat is nowhere to be deduced

If AP was needed (as the main catalyst of the fight) there would have been more backing that notion up than It being introduced as a mere byproduct to something that was an irrelevant answer to king's supoosed invincibility that you claim.


Lets not forget zoro was on a timer so AP was useful since zoro was desperately trying to finish this quickly

But that doesn't mean he couldnt beat king without that AP given the aforementioned technicalities and problems with the notion

Your claim as you can see twists the narrative and mischaracterizes their contexts

If Zoro didn’t need to use CoC to take down King and only needed to know his abilities, Zoro wouldn’t of used Enma or used it as much. CoC was the reason Zoro was able to box King in and take him down. If Zoro decides not to use CoC at that point he’s not hurting King much, he’s getting throttled.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Current zoro is definitely way stronger than he was at the start of the king fight even without conquerors

Based on what