One Piece Chapter 1080, "The Legendary Hero"
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There's something bugging me about how SWORD was depicted this chapter.
When first introduced it was addressed as a secret and special force (to the point they were using codes to confirm their identities when speaking to each other); but this chapter they're presented in quite a public way (Koby told Teach he belongs to this supposedly top secret group before Kuzan spoke about it) and how they are marines who officially resigned but keep their ranks don't seem to fit that well what was already established (like what's the status of Drake's mission? Was he known to be a SWORD member by the highest ranks? If so, why did Kizaru address him as a former rear admiral and openly treated him as a pirate?).
I guess the Marines know who are SWORD members but for the public they're all marines, which still bugs me regarding Drake since his status as a spy was portrayed to be an actual secret for Kizaru and expected to be so for CP-0 (they knew anyways because they're the best intelligence agency in the world, but they weren't supposed to).
When first introduced it was addressed as a secret and special force (to the point they were using codes to confirm their identities when speaking to each other); but this chapter they're presented in quite a public way (Koby told Teach he belongs to this supposedly top secret group before Kuzan spoke about it) and how they are marines who officially resigned but keep their ranks don't seem to fit that well what was already established (like what's the status of Drake's mission? Was he known to be a SWORD member by the highest ranks? If so, why did Kizaru address him as a former rear admiral and openly treated him as a pirate?).
I guess the Marines know who are SWORD members but for the public they're all marines, which still bugs me regarding Drake since his status as a spy was portrayed to be an actual secret for Kizaru and expected to be so for CP-0 (they knew anyways because they're the best intelligence agency in the world, but they weren't supposed to).
We basically had a scene of Guernica (CP0 guy) confronting Drake and stating he better not think they don't know who he actually is, strongly suggesting that his identity as a marine should be a secret even for them. Which made sense if SWORD was a secret, extraofficial agency within the Marines that only its members knew about (and maybe was operating against the official interests of the organization); but now we have Koby speaking of it in front of Teach and Kuzan explaining they're officially ressigned soldiers who kept their ranks but could be fired anytime —therefore CP0 should be expected to know about them, and Kizaru should be aware of Drake still being a marine.
So either Drake went on a secret mission as an otherwise known member of SWORD (a mission so secret that not even admirals and the top intelligence agency should know about, so for them Drake was a former SWORD member who chose piracy), or SWORD was supposed to be an extraofficial group but this was retconned.
SWORD is still a secret for the public (Teach didn't know it), but Drake's actual affiliation was treated as a secret even for the Government...
So either Drake went on a secret mission as an otherwise known member of SWORD (a mission so secret that not even admirals and the top intelligence agency should know about, so for them Drake was a former SWORD member who chose piracy), or SWORD was supposed to be an extraofficial group but this was retconned.
SWORD is still a secret for the public (Teach didn't know it), but Drake's actual affiliation was treated as a secret even for the Government...
Lol I think you’re getting hung up on something that wasn’t truly factual. It’s pretty evident that Aokiji was trying to aid Koby in being released without directly going against Teach. You don’t tell the full truth to the enemy when you’re in pickle.
& BB was right in that given Kobys social status the marines wouldn’t leave him high and dry and it was already discussed previously that the marines genuinely don’t have any spare troops to spare at the moment as they have so much going on that needs to be contained elsewhere so much so that they sent out Saturn to help take care of the egghead island situation, why is supposed to be another Reverie level reveal.
& BB was right in that given Kobys social status the marines wouldn’t leave him high and dry and it was already discussed previously that the marines genuinely don’t have any spare troops to spare at the moment as they have so much going on that needs to be contained elsewhere so much so that they sent out Saturn to help take care of the egghead island situation, why is supposed to be another Reverie level reveal.
And what is the full truth here, exactly? That it is indeed a top secret force as previously established, so secret that not even CP0 was supposed to know about Drake's status, yet Koby spills the beans as soon as he can in front of Blackbeard? Oh, and what was Kuzan lying about if Koby is the first to address that he won't serve as a hostage because he's in SWORD, which totally fits Kuzan's next speech?
You do realize there was and is a question mark specifically linked to Aokiji when Koby mentions it with a grimace.
he’s also confused and thrown off that Koby mentions it and it’s why he goes out of his way to speak on the matter. It was already implied it was a secret organization- yes there can be the social front of it as it was explained but this would just debunk everything we believe to be true about Aokiji being the secret leader cause essentially what Aokiji is doing rn with BBP is one in the same of what was actually explained.
then again we can go back and forth all day but we won’t really know til oda actually explains it fully.
he’s also confused and thrown off that Koby mentions it and it’s why he goes out of his way to speak on the matter. It was already implied it was a secret organization- yes there can be the social front of it as it was explained but this would just debunk everything we believe to be true about Aokiji being the secret leader cause essentially what Aokiji is doing rn with BBP is one in the same of what was actually explained.
then again we can go back and forth all day but we won’t really know til oda actually explains it fully.
...I am not the best at theorycrafting and my memory fails me often but...
Is there any chance that ignoring Protocols may relate to Imu?
That at the core of SWORD, someone is aware of Imu having clutches on the Marines and the group was specifically made to counter Imu's influence from up above?
Is there any chance that ignoring Protocols may relate to Imu?
That at the core of SWORD, someone is aware of Imu having clutches on the Marines and the group was specifically made to counter Imu's influence from up above?
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...I am not the best at theorycrafting and my memory fails me often but...
Is there any chance that ignoring Protocols may relate to Imu?
That at the core of SWORD, someone is aware of Imu having clutches on the Marines and the group was specifically made to counter Imu's influence from up above?
Is there any chance that ignoring Protocols may relate to Imu?
That at the core of SWORD, someone is aware of Imu having clutches on the Marines and the group was specifically made to counter Imu's influence from up above?
Garp can clearly solo the BB Pirates, so the appearance of Sword seems really redundant to me.
I found them mildly interesting, but the fan theories of Sword being a very secret organisation with Kuzan and Law as secret members was much more interesting than what it turned out to be tbh.
So Tashigi is a member? What happened to Smoker I wonder.
I wish we could learn more about BB's motives and what he really is after. Pirate King, Island Ruler, both .... what?
I was hoping to see more of Perona in the chapter.
I found them mildly interesting, but the fan theories of Sword being a very secret organisation with Kuzan and Law as secret members was much more interesting than what it turned out to be tbh.
So Tashigi is a member? What happened to Smoker I wonder.
I wish we could learn more about BB's motives and what he really is after. Pirate King, Island Ruler, both .... what?
I was hoping to see more of Perona in the chapter.
I don't know about soloing the BB pirates but their DF powers seem disappointing in the weird way that they feel made to be crushed.
Wolf is just big and bigger, Pizarro is a enhanced Pica and while he aint here, Burgess.
Maybe I expected too much but pirates meant to be so threatening having such basic Devil Fruits makes it feel Oda doesn't have much in mind for them. I mean, I take the L if I am wrong but I was sure the big bad BB crew would arrive with some nasty and original powers.
And now they face a angry Garp who just Haki punched a small city.
I see a problem here.
If Sword underdeliver, I feel its a waste to introduce them only to lose and likewise, BB pirates losing doesn't feel right either.
Wolf is just big and bigger, Pizarro is a enhanced Pica and while he aint here, Burgess.
Maybe I expected too much but pirates meant to be so threatening having such basic Devil Fruits makes it feel Oda doesn't have much in mind for them. I mean, I take the L if I am wrong but I was sure the big bad BB crew would arrive with some nasty and original powers.
And now they face a angry Garp who just Haki punched a small city.
I see a problem here.
If Sword underdeliver, I feel its a waste to introduce them only to lose and likewise, BB pirates losing doesn't feel right either.
