Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1085 Spoilers Discussion

Who's the final villain?


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ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
Zoros best moment does involve Luffy

But Zoro vs Mihawk was close second
Zoro vs Mr1 as well
And Zoro in Skypea (pretty much entire arc)


Although yeah Luffy was decent pre time skip
Can't complain much..I never actually hated or even disliked Luffy pre time skip.

Post time skip he is so disgustingly bad tho..
What would Luffy have to do to salvage his character in your opinion?
 
Another solution would be to step down and let Zoro be the captain and never fight the final boss again @ZenZu

Zoro is basically doing job of the captain anyways
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I knew I was serving that one on a silver platter 😂
I am not sure what more could be done tho

He's genuinely a horrible character
One of the worst ones that I know of

I can't think of many characters worse than Luffy rn

Sakura from Naruto maybe? But still she is a side characterish
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I knew I was serving that one on a silver platter 😂
I can tell you what Zoro can do to reach pre time skip levels of greatness

Have a solo trip in wano, learn about Ryuma and his lineage, Kaido hasn't died as far as we knew..have him come out awakened and Zoro behead him on flower capital with (Not Enma) but Wado Ichimonji and get his first black blade that way.

He is alright rn but that layer of his personality has yet to be explored

Luffy..yeah he has to go..die or something
 

ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
Another solution would be to step down and let Zoro be the captain and never fight the final boss again @ZenZu

Zoro is basically doing job of the captain anywaus
Do you really believe that would make Luffy a better character? Or even Zoro? Part of what makes Zoro great is he's the uncrowned king of sorts.

Having Zoro take over is a downgrade imo. If you mean sometimes Luffy took a backseat and Oda allowed Zoro to take on and defeat the biggest enemy, then I 100% agree.
 

Seth

𝐊𝐨𝐤𝐮𝐭𝐨 𝐒𝐡𝐮𝐬𝐮𝐢
It’s hard to actually tell how strong the Gorosei are.

I think they should be PK level ish based on them having the same value in card games as Whitebeard and Roger.

But also fucking Sabo was right there
Admirals are the strongest fighting force of WG. I doubt Oda will double down on that.

Gorosei's power level should be above Commander but still bellow Admirals to keep consistency and it would be perfect.

As for Imu. Depending on the plot demands, he can start negating Haki and Awakening if Oda feels like it.
 
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