Chapter Discussion One Piece Chapter 1139 : “The Mountain Eater”

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Throughout Heaven & Earth,I alone am d Honored One
As I said in sanji FC, sanji has neither portrayal nor feat putting him on par with Zoro or Luffy.


Gaban though raises the future and EoS ceiling of Sanji but he will always be below Zoro and Luffy.

You simply cannot even expect Sanji to be on same footing of Luffy (Future PK) and Zoro (Future WSS) in terms of strength.
 
Rayleigh > Gaban
Gaban doesn’t have to be as strong as the two to be part of the main group
He was much closer to them than the 4th strong guy
There’s really nothing that says they are dead equal in strength, not this chapter nor 1000 chapters of canon
Standing shoulder to shoulder, King Roger, his strong right arm and firstmate, partner since day one Rayleigh, and his left arm and brain, Gaban
Exactly.

It’s literally a chapter of Oda saying “Look, it’s the proto Monster Trio!” The same trio we have known for years goes Luffy > Zoro > Sanji

And absolute brain dead morons taking this to somehow mean they are all equals (or the more cowardly ones saying it only applies to Ray and Gaban).

The worst thing this chapter did for any agenda is finish the idea that poor Jinbei is a future big shot.
 

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The Rogue Prince
Literally that second panel is Kaido being condescending to Luffy, Oda even drew him looking down on Luffy
Cuz Luffy assumed Kaido couldn't see the future?
How does that lead to your point which was "Kaido mocked FS haha"?

Again, from a thematic standpoint DREAMPOWER will never be surpassed by willpower in a story about DREAMS. People need to take off the powerscaling glasses and view it from a literal standpoint.

Kaido is not a good guy, authors never almost speak through villains. In fact most of the times villains are supposed to be unreliable narrators.
I mean go ahead and prove Kaido's words wrong.
Find a character who did not have CoC, but awakened his DF & then conquered the seas like Roger did.
That's when you can say "Kaido was talking out of his ass and his point is proven wrong"

Blackbeard is the one dude with a chance of doing it... and the dude is an anomaly who can eat multiple DFs.
 
Cuz Luffy assumed Kaido couldn't see the future?
How does that lead to your point which was "Kaido mocked FS haha"?


I mean go ahead and prove Kaido's words wrong.
Find a character who did not have CoC, but awakened his DF & then conquered the seas like Roger did.
That's when you can say "Kaido was talking out of his ass and his point is proven wrong"

Blackbeard is the one dude with a chance of doing it... and the dude is an anomaly who can eat multiple DFs.
There's literally one person who conquered the sea...and it's heavily implied he was missing an awakened DF
 
Gaban is a pretty cool character
He’s not as strong as Rayleigh same way Rayleigh is not as strong as Roger (almost)
”There were two who were especially strong besides Roger”:
They are all strong, this basically says while Gaban is weaker than Roger and Rayleigh, he’s still much closer to them than he is to the next strongest
Maybe now Sanji isn’t, eventually he’ll be closer to Luffy than he is to Jimbei, hell that might be the case now

”Stood shoulder to shoulder with Roger and Rayleigh”:
He was one of the three main pillars, those three were by far the strongest and most intelligent pirates in the crew
Roger, the king, and his two arms
@mly90 @ConquistadoR @Veku @ZenZu
There's something called Monster trio 🫡
 
At no point does Sandman say that the comparison with Ray is to do with strength.

He literally says the right hand is generally to do with being the trusted number 2, and the left hand complements that. This statement has nothing to do with strength and can’t be used to determine it.

So that’s where we use common sense and wonder, why is there three characters called Gold, Silver and Copper? What could that possibly mean.
@MonsterKaido
 
I thought you meant if gaban was introduced first he would be only paired with roger and that would be more hype but i dont see it because like you yourself said rayleigh had already shanks gas
no , I meant that if u remove Rayleigh from that panel it still wouldn't have mattered cause being paired with Roger is more than enough hype for gabban
 
Your post about strength comparing calamities dynamic to the pirate king crew? It's a fact that Kaido is head and shoulders above his commanders just like the big mom pirates while this is not the case for the Roger pirates as shown in the chapter.
“Here’s three characters who are grouped together, but it doesn’t mean that they are all equals.”

”Here’s another three characters who are grouped together, but it doesn’t mean they are all equals.”

You - BUT WHAT ABOUT THIS FOURTH CHARACTER WHO HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THESE COMPARISONS!

What about Oden? Who cares, doesn‘t have anything to do with what I’m saying. If you can’t see why I’m comparing two groups of three characters whose names are literally King/Queen/Jack and Gold/Silver/Copper that ain’t my problem.
 
Official shueisha mangaplus spanish

Ese hombre estaba a la par con silvers Rayleigh

Es una estrella legendaria que estaba a la par con Roger y Rayleigh!!


Official French shueisha mangaplus version

De meme que le vice captaine silvers Rayleigh

C'etait une figure legendaire de la piraterie, au même titre que Roger et Rayleigh

Sorry to correct you but "au même titre" means "legendary figure like the other two". In this sentence it doesn't mean = equal in strength.

Forget all the versions, just use the official one = Japanese ! I already translated it but you all said "you're coping" as usual.

The translated version is :

"He is a legendary figure who stood alongside with Roger and Rayleigh."

Equal isn't wrong but you should understand the meaning behind it. Because it's saying that Gabban was in the same team, had the same importance, has a legendary fame comparable to the others two.


You guys are so focused about strength then obviously you won't listen.
It's not crazy and a blasphemy to say Roger > Gabban like exactly Luffy > Sanji.

Now it's up to you sanji fans to take whatever you want. It's not like we gonna change anyone point of views here lol.
 
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