Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1139 Spoilers Discussion

[kekaro]

It doesn't really matter if the hype is to be taken literally, ultimately it still shows where Gaban stood in the OP universe. The place of a proper top tier.
It totally matters because a portion of the fandom was adamant that Gaban was an irrelevant fodder, now we know that his legend in the verse is comparable to that of Roger and Rayleigh.
If Roger was a 100 I wouldn't say Gaban was a 100 but him being a 90 seems completely fair.

Equal statments only count when its about my favorite chracter

 

[[No Name]]

@comrade @HA001 @L57 @Blazing Lion @CbShadow @Kurozumi Wiwi

This is funny :

One is hyped to hold his own against fodder giants not Dorry / Broggy / Loki level :









One is hyped to hold his own against a fucking Admiral

Here you go the example of a Zorotard that after that he receives a big L since Scopper gets introduced as equal to Ray and Roger, of course now they will cope about it and call you retard if you hype scopper based on this presentation when they first started with this argument to downplay the character.

 

[Hunter]

Zoro and Lucci were both struggling with the seraphim even though they had back up in Kaku and Luffy respectively. Sanji was no diffing the same seraphims with his arms folded - like nothing - by himself. I guess feats do matter hey, but only when they match my agenda.

So Nami and Brook are equal to Luffy, Zoro, lucci, and kaku in your argument

 

[Reborn]

If you bothered to read my explanations you would see that I have never said that Luffy in G5 with ACoC would not take out Sanji in anything but a low diff. But guess what so would Zoro. Zoro hasn’t shown anything that puts him in any company with regards to Luffy. But hey guess what Luffy has already maxed out everything he needs barring some Nika powers/ realisation. Zoro still hasn’t mastered KoH, whilst Sanji’s mastered his Exo to the point where he can turn it on and off at will.
Sanji still has room to grow and like I said when it was first revealed about Gaban, Sanji would also be a top tier above any of the admirals but none of the Yonko/ Fleet admiral.
You are defending a guy who disregards the statement of Gaban being relative to Roger outright, no EOS no Curent. He disregards it outright. So no he is not right!

There is nothing to defend here.


Current power spectrum remains intact between M3.

Leakers have history to twist statements..if Manga says Gaban = Ray = Roger then two things are clear without doubt

1) Eos Ceiling of both Zoro and Sanji might be on par with Luffy. Again it's not confirmed as statements alone means nothing if not backed by execution but yes one cannot deny M3 might be on par by the EoS which is huge W for Sanji fandom and also for Zoro fandom.

2) Opponents of M3 would be top tiers if oda intends to have them on par.


However, current spectrum still remains as it is until oda actually executes it.

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

Equal statments only count when its about my favorite chracter

"Rayleigh is relative to Whitebeard, see Garp calling him a legend like him but Gaban being said to be equal to Roger and Rayleigh means absolutely nothing, mid diff material for the PK best case scenario"

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Prime Sanji vs 100 King, what diff does Sanji win?
@Sir Yasheen @Elder Lee Hung @MarineHQ @kekaro @EmperorKinyagi @Soyz

Neg diff obviously.

 

[Moegara]

I will say one thing.

I do not want any of the people taking an equal statement from a giant at face value to ever doubt a "Strongest" statement from the marines and the narrator himself.

 

[Albino 👑]

You'll have to excuse them, they've been pushing this agenda for at least a decade, for it to come crashing down this hard is going to break some bones. I mean are we really going to pretend that these same people would be questioning the validity of this statement if it was said about a character that supports their agenda?. I believe Oda injects some hyperbole in his character intros, but never to the level of lies or misinformation. Whatever is being claimed about Gaban in this chapter is closer to being true than false and that is enough to destroy all the agendas that these people have been pushing.

100%
Imo Gaban is as equal to Roger and Rayleigh as Sanji is to Luffy and Zoro. As in their just the top guys of the crew

Could I be wrong about Roger? Honestly maybe
They could deadass be more similar to a fleet admiral + admiral type relationship than an emperor + commanders. For now I’ll believe in Roger

Either way it’s cool that Gaban is strong and relevant

 

[[No Name]]

It doesn't really matter if the hype is to be taken literally, ultimately it still shows where Gaban stood in the OP universe. The place of a proper top tier.
It totally matters because a portion of the fandom was adamant that Gaban was an irrelevant fodder, now we know that his legend in the verse is comparable to that of Roger and Rayleigh.
If Roger was a 100 I wouldn't say Gaban was a 100 but him being a 90 seems completely fair.

Of course it's not literally equal, hell I don't even think Whitebeard was as strong as Roger since his best rival was Xebec.
But you can say that Scopper shouldn't be that far off, for sure a top tier, it's not something they can argue about.
They used to take that shit about Rayleigh and Shanks can both take out all fishmen (which just imply that at top level you can knock all of them, Luffy was so far from it) to say they were equal and now this isn't valid? Especially when in the Manga Shanks got compared to Joyboy, Rayleigh didn't. So ofc, Gaban is "equal" to Roger the way Ray is to comparable to Shanks while not being exactly on his level (indeed I think Shanks is closer to Roger since he can emulate kamusari and no one in the crew could) , they are top tiers

 

[park_min young]

"Rayleigh is relative to Whitebeard, see Garp calling him a legend like him but Gaban being said to be equal to Roger and Rayleigh means absolutely nothing, mid diff material for the PK best case scenario"

It’s funny how they’re so adamant about Ray~WB because of Garp calling him an old legend but Gaban directly being stated as equal to Roger/Ray means nothing.

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

100%
Imo Gaban is as equal to Roger and Rayleigh as Sanji is to Luffy and Zoro. As in their just the top guys of the crew

Could I be wrong about Roger? Honestly maybe
They could deadass be more similar to a fleet admiral + admiral type relationship than an emperor + commanders. For now I’ll believe in Roger

Either way it’s cool that Gaban is strong and relevant

it's over bro, Luffy isn't and will never be able to stomp his crew together. This isn't a Big Mom/Kaido with their crew type dynamic

 

[Blazing Lion]

Yeah, I've said this for a long time.

Given that Rayleigh was implied to be relative in power to Roger, Scopper would be relative in power to Rayleigh. I've used this reasoning to argue that even tho gap between Luffy/Zoro and Zoro/Sanji may be relatively high at the moment, eventually it would become narrower as it was in the past.
Else, it defeats the purpose/dynamics of monster trio.

In their primes:
Gold Roger - peak top tier
Silvers Rayleigh - high top tier
Scopper Gaban - mid top tier

Roger extreme diff Rayleigh, Rayleigh extreme diff Gaban, Roger high diff Gaban. It's like 100, 95, 90

I think Oda will preserve the M3 dynamic for the core crew. What was shown or established since the start (East Blue) will persist. Luffy = Zoro > Sanji. 6 in Strength for both Luffy and Zoro and 5 in Strength for Sanji (as per one of the earliest databooks).

 

[Light D Fist.]

Who disputed the hierarchy?

To be fair discussing this kind of controversial topic is difficult because I do not share every opinion of the people I agree with on the current feats. I have never even seen a discussion about Gaban being relevant or not until two weeks ago and at that time it was just people who wanted to see Shiki.

You know why you never saw it here, it’s because this place is filled with Zorotards who gaslit every ‘real’ one piece fan into thinking Gaban/Sanji would be irrelevant. If you went anywhere else as soo as we saw the Crocus cover , Odens flashback and the start to Elbaph we all knew Gaban would be imprtant to the story. But the same cunts when we expressed this and tried to create a dialogue, came up with the bullshit dismissals that still derive from the fact they didn’t want Gaban to be relevant, because it upscales Sanji! No since the statement has come out, they are now claiming to wait for more feats. The same fuckers who take Mihawk being stronger than Roger for picking up a sword because muh ‘WSS’ despite it being explicitly stated that Mihawk considered himself weaker than Old Sick Whitebeard at marineford is somehow stronger than the guy who prime Whitebeard was equal too. Hypocrisy at its finest. Spare me the sympathy bullshit for this fandom. They are cunts who have been shut up for the most part today!

 

[Blazing Lion]

The biggest L in the legendary star and equal to Roger and Ray is for the Yankers who were pushing the Yonkos soloing their entire crews by themselves.

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

It’s funny how they’re so adamant about Ray~WB because of Garp calling him an old legend but Gaban directly being stated as equal to Roger/Ray means nothing.

What hilarious is that this statement tend to confirm Rayleigh's portrayal, but I guess the need to downplay anything Sanji related is that strong lmao

 

[Sir Yasheen]

100%
Imo Gaban is as equal to Roger and Rayleigh as Sanji is to Luffy and Zoro. As in their just the top guys of the crew

Could I be wrong about Roger? Honestly maybe
They could deadass be more similar to a fleet admiral + admiral type relationship than an emperor + commanders. For now I’ll believe in Roger

Either way it’s cool that Gaban is strong and relevant

It’s over, Luffys never separating himself from Zoro and Sanji, they’ll all end up on the same tier

 

[Moegara]

You know why you never saw it here, it’s because this place is filled with Zorotards who gaslit every ‘real’ one piece fan into thinking Gaban/Sanji would be irrelevant. If you went anywhere else as soo as we saw the Crocus cover , Odens flashback and the start to Elbaph we all knew Gaban would be imprtant to the story. But the same cunts when we expressed this and tried to create a dialogue, came up with the bullshit dismissals that still derive from the fact they didn’t want Gaban to be relevant, because it upscales Sanji! No since the statement has come out, they are now claiming to wait for more feats. The same fuckers who take Mihawk being stronger than Roger for picking up a sword because muh ‘WSS’ despite it being explicitly stated that Mihawk considered himself weaker than Old Sick Whitebeard at marineford is somehow stronger than the guy who prime Whitebeard was equal too. Hypocrisy at its finest. Spare me the sympathy bullshit for this fandom. They are cunts who have been shut up for the most part today!

Mihawk slander. I can respect Gaban as the copper of the crew, but miss me with the Mihawk slander.

I will say one thing.

I do not want any of the people taking an equal statement from a giant at face value to ever doubt a "Strongest" statement from the marines and the narrator himself.

 

[Reborn]

I will say one thing.

I do not want any of the people taking an equal statement from a giant at face value to ever doubt a "Strongest" statement from the marines and the narrator himself.

Tbh, all these things means nothing.

Oda is so inconsistent that he hands these words or references or titles at his fancy whims just to have some temporary hype to carry the arc or on-going plot of the manga.


Not a big fan of it myself but hey..it gives full week of shitposting

 

[Moegara]

Tbh, all these things means nothing.

Oda is so inconsistent that he hands these words or references or titles at his fancy whims just to have some temporary hype to carry the arc or on-going plot of the manga.


Not a big fan of it myself but hey..it gives full week of shitposting

And a cliffhanger, too, before we see Gaban in action.

Oda is wicked.

 

[[No Name]]

I think Oda will preserve the M3 dynamic for the core crew. What was shown or established since the start (East Blue) will persist. Luffy = Zoro > Sanji. 6 in Strength for both Luffy and Zoro and 5 in Strength for Sanji (as per one of the earliest databooks).

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As per the manga instead of a databooks of early one piece which Oda wouldn't care a shit about and strength could be referring to physical strength not battle power.