Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1143 Spoilers Discussion

[Fujishiro]

He just said "Scabbards". He meant all of them

Level 1 reading in the house. Is Kinnemon > Post training no G4 Luffy?

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

The only thing Kinemon has over Vergo is ryou. Vergos's far beyond him in every other stat.

Eh... I wouldn't say that much.
But even him just having far greater AP means a lot in a fight.
Kinemon has proven he can take attacks far greater than what Vergo can dish out. Vergo hasn't proven he can take Kinemon's attacks, though.

 

[soupongo]

Level 1 reading in the house. Is Kinnemon > Post training no G4 Luffy?

Why are you bringing up Luffy?

 

[Fujishiro]

Kinnemon> Start of Wano Sanji without raid suit.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Kinnemon> Start of Wano Sanji without raid suit.

We know.

 

[comrade]

Jack didn’t fight the entire scabbards if I recall only the dukes, and he fought them twice. He has never fought Kinnemon to know his strength. But sure lol he was refering to kinnemon.

You mean, Jack said: "The Scabbards bar their leader are powerful"?

 

[SakazOuki]

Those guys are also Jack lvl.

I'm obviously saying Kinemon was established well below the likes of Vergo and Pica. And Jack said the F6 are no match for Scabbards, he didn't discriminate. Kinemon being the leader was obviously included in that statement.

This is why I am no longer entertaining any Vergo vs F6 discussions. He has insane feats and portrayal. Falling to Law's hax when cocky does not put any cap on him.

This only proves that F6 are far weaker than Vergo.

Just to let you know, during PH/DR no one dared to question if Kinemon/Kanjuro were stronger than Vergo or the rest of Doffy's top executives.

The mountain slash is bisecting Jack and Cracker combined if they charge at Law cockily. Vergo sama is clean in feats and portrayal.

Kinemon was ready to slice Jack up. The Dukes only stopped him because they had a score to settle with him.

We also know that even Kanjuro, once getting serious, was quite a threat. Able to destroy a fleet with ink shaped into needles raining down, creating flaming Yokai that burn everything down and creating Oden clones that stab Ashura to death. We know Ashura could go toe to toe with Jack after blitzing him, Denjuro could easily stall Nitoryu Zoro, the Dukes even in base come close to a commander, let alone in Sulong form.

But somehow their leader is the only one that is supposed to be fodder. People just have cognitive dissonance. It is as you said; the participants of Punk Hazard (Vergo, Smoker, Law) were just that strong, that Kinemon looked weak. It's not that Kinemon was actually weak.

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

Cracker was the perfect counter for Luffy, his ability was tailored for stalling while Luffy has a tight timelimit in G4 and lack AOE.
The thing is that Cracker's offense is ass, not only he failed to pierce through Luffy's hardening with a straight named attack stab (something Hody & Bellamy managed to pull off lol) man wasn't able to get his hands on Nami & King Baum once in 11 hour.

 

[gz89]

 

[SakazOuki]

Holy W if I ever decide to dress as a weeb this gonna be it

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Cracker was the perfect counter for Luffy, his ability was tailored for stalling while Luffy has a tight timelimit in G4 and lack AOE.
The thing is that Cracker's offense is ass, not only he failed to pierce through Luffy's hardening with a straight named attack stab (something Hody & Bellamy managed to pull off lol) man wasn't able to get his hands on Nami & King Baum once in 11 hour.

Didn't he pierce it when he was in G4?

 

[MarineHQ]

Cute how you pleps are going to war over YC3 level scrubs and here this panel exists. Imagine being such a Goat that the MC wants to surpass you even though you're merely a subordinate.

Nah these fucks can't gaslight us that Kuri isn't the Goat. Awakening + CoC + someone Luffy needed to surpass + ability only a few among the mightiest can use.

Fuck u bitches lol. Kuri reigns supreme.

@ZenZu @Sentinel @JoNdule @Tyki_Mikk @Elder Lee Hung​

 

[ZenZu]

Cracker was the perfect counter for Luffy, his ability was tailored for stalling while Luffy has a tight timelimit in G4 and lack AOE.
The thing is that Cracker's offense is ass, not only he failed to pierce through Luffy's hardening with a straight named attack stab (something Hody & Bellamy managed to pull off lol) man wasn't able to get his hands on Nami & King Baum once in 11 hour.

His lethality was solid with his real blade, better than Doflamingo, problem is he had piss poor endurance so he never risked leaving the security of his biscuits, only when his defense is at full power does he want to bother initiating offense, he felt naked otherwise. Nami was ruining this tactic and so he just camped for hours.

Cracker is one of the most flawed fighters in the verse.

 

[Ven437]

yeah this clown ain't stopping shit

Larine Loby

I have more respect for Red King than this pirate dicc sucker. Disgraceful

 

[Etzel Andergast]

Holy W if I ever decide to dress as a weeb this gonna be it

Do it. Put a burger in your face

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

Jack didn’t fight the entire scabbards if I recall only the dukes, and he fought them twice. He has never fought Kinnemon to know his strength. But sure lol he was refering to kinnemon.

Are you serious now?
Kinemon is by far the most prominent scabbard in the story, he's the first name that would come up if you ask a casual to name one of Oden's scabbard but yeah Oda intended for him to be excluded from Jack's generic statement about scabbards lol. If the intent was to hype the Dukes, he would've named them.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Larine Loby

I have more respect for Red King than this pirate dicc sucker. Disgraceful

Don't bet against Koby. It's a grave mistake.

 

[RayanOO]

According to @RayanOO

Wobyyyyyyy

 

[fakespoilerdetector]

materialize objects from people's dreams, so now ODA will give a hint about luffy's dream

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

On other sites, the general consensus is Vergo < Tobiroppo.

The same sites that had Marine HQ + 7 warlords = one yonko crew?