Chapter Discussion One Piece - Chapter 969: The Idiot Lord

[Dr. Spook]

What a great chapter, and I love the drama being built up by Oda here... of how Oden took the pain for 5 years and just lost it with Hyougoro and his wife dying at the hands of Kaido and Orochi. With this, I take back my words on the spoiler thread thinking that this chapter would stink.

There's got to be a reason why Oden resorted to humiliating himself like that for 5 years. What was the ultimatum that he agreed on when he confronted Orochi in the palace? Doing that, after having the burning desire to kill him last chapter is strange, but I'm sure the reason will be highlighted later on.

And the last page of Oden and the nine red scabbards marching to take down Kaido was badass, and the narrative highlighted in that same page was beautiful.

Spoiler

Some further thoughts... at first glance, this chapter cements that Shinobu is not the traitor to me. I felt she was there, personally to spy on Orochi or maybe assassinate him, but Oden happened to be there... and she didn't seem to be present when Orochi went to Kuri, where Fukurukuju personally escorted him.

Spoiler

This kind-of keeps in line with Shinobu saying she quit the Oniwabanshu because of them joining Orochi back then.. Anyway, this is all first impressions and I could be wrong here, but just sharing my thoughts.

 

[Sadistic Senpai]

Great summary!

I wouldn't mind jumping in time at the right spots one bit, also really loved it in the Witcher series.

Of course the foreign (ok, let's be specific: the majority of the English speaking audience) will find something to bitch, because those who complain can't comprehend the jumps in time.

I didn't enjoy the witcher not because of time-jumps honestly. I disliked the series because I am NOT someone who read the novel. Nor did I play the game. And I certainly don't know the story.
This is why, I needed the first season to have a great "world build up" and explain the creatures, and the different sides of people, who exists in this world, different factions, what are their goals...etc!
I got nothing from that for a whole season, which is why I disliked the show honestly. Let alone usually the climax of any season is the ending. And the ending of season 1 didn't hook me one bit hahaha

And yes, I do understand that there are SO MANY youtube videos that explain that shit to people from different youtubers. But the show has an obligation, at least in season one, to cater and please the casual fans who don't know anything about the show. I don't need to go to youtube to know what is happening hahaha.

But generally, I did enjoy the time jump actually. And I simply wanted to use the witcher as an example for what Oda can actually do with it.

 

[Patryipe]

Out on Mangaplus.

 

[ShadyOjiro]

The ending phrase of the chapter in the official version sounds like a Gintama phrase (one of the badass ones).

Ummm the same feeling is transmitted in the official ....why wait..

 

[Bogard]

Just read the official translation(updated the link in opening post as well) and it makes the situation of the following chapter even more curious. At first, the dialogues were painted as legends from the past, with Oda even giving the conclusion of Oden ending up executed

"People called them the Akazaya nine"

"And it ends in Oden's public execution"

Spoiler

From a story-telling perspective, i don't see the point in spoiling the ending of this flashback(which we already knew) already if he wasn't intending to switch to the current timeline next chapter

On the other hand though, he left as a cliffhanger the fact we shouldn't miss a single moment of what shall end up known as the hour of the legend

Spoiler

So it makes you question. Was Oda saying this to mean we'd actually see through the end of this flashback right away, or did he just leave it as a cliffhanger to develop it later?

In either case, the next chapter should be interesting

 

[ShadyOjiro]

Just read the official translation and it makes the situation of the following chapter even more curious. At first, the dialogues were painted as legends from the past, with Oda even giving the conclusion of Oden ending up executed

"People called them the Akazaya nine"

"And it ends in Oden's public execution"

Spoiler

From a story-telling perspective, i don't see the point in spoiling the ending of this flashback(which we already knew) already if he wasn't intending to switch to the current timeline next chapter

On the other hand though, he left as a cliffhanger the fact we shouldn't miss a single moment of what shall end up known as the hour of the legend

Spoiler

So it makes you question. Was Oda saying this to mean we'd actually see through the end of this flashback right away, or did he just leave it as a cliffhanger to develop it later?

In either case, the next chapter should be interesting

Imagine the flashback ending .
Lmao

 

[Patryipe]

Imagine the flashback ending .
Lmao

 

[pedxi]

Imagine the flashback ending .
Lmao

 

[sanjikun]

One thing that I was also thinking about in terms of Kyoshiro's strength, is how do you get to be that strong, by just being Orochi's lapdog? Unless you're born a monster, your leader's strength is necessary for you to be strong. If you're not a Marine, the only way you can become a Top Tier IS by being born a monster (WB, BB, BM, Kaido), or having ties to Roger/WB or his crew (Rayleigh, Oden, Shanks, Mihawk).

For High Tiers, most of them have ties to Yonkos or Top Tier Leaders like Dragon or Oden. To be a High Tier you need to be the subordinate of a Top Tier Leader, or at least be a sailor like Don Chinjao or Hancock. Let's not forget Ashura Doji is one of a kind. Oden was hyped through him. Kaido wants him as his subordinate.

I know Wano has strong people, but even there High Tiers are extremely rare. They don't pop up out of anywhere. There are currently 0 Samurai who are on Ashura's level, apart from Kyoshiro. I don't understand how Kyoshiro, without being a part of a Top Tier's crew, without ever leaving Wano or sailing the world, just magically becomes a High Tier. Who is he learning swordsmanship from? Who is teaching him advanced Haki? Orochi? Orochi's a joke. Ashura & Denjiro & co probably learned a lot of shit from Oden.

After Oden's death there were only 2 High Tier/YC level Samurai roaming Wano. Orochi didn't have Kyoshiro defending him then.

If Kaido is begging this dude to be part of his crew, it means guys like him don't exist in Wano, and he got to that level of strength by being Oden's subordinate for 2 decades.

 

[Worst]

Just read the official translation(updated the link in opening post as well) and it makes the situation of the following chapter even more curious. At first, the dialogues were painted as legends from the past, with Oda even giving the conclusion of Oden ending up executed

"People called them the Akazaya nine"

"And it ends in Oden's public execution"

Spoiler

From a story-telling perspective, i don't see the point in spoiling the ending of this flashback(which we already knew) already if he wasn't intending to switch to the current timeline next chapter

On the other hand though, he left as a cliffhanger the fact we shouldn't miss a single moment of what shall end up known as the hour of the legend

Spoiler

So it makes you question. Was Oda saying this to mean we'd actually see through the end of this flashback right away, or did he just leave it as a cliffhanger to develop it later?

In either case, the next chapter should be interesting

 

[dirtyLarry]

I didn't enjoy the witcher not because of time-jumps honestly. I disliked the series because I am NOT someone who read the novel. Nor did I play the game. And I certainly don't know the story.
This is why, I needed the first season to have a great "world build up" and explain the creatures, and the different sides of people, who exists in this world, different factions, what are their goals...etc!
I got nothing from that for a whole season, which is why I disliked the show honestly. Let alone usually the climax of any season is the ending. And the ending of season 1 didn't hook me one bit hahaha

And yes, I do understand that there are SO MANY youtube videos that explain that shit to people from different youtubers. But the show has an obligation, at least in season one, to cater and please the casual fans who don't know anything about the show. I don't need to go to youtube to know what is happening hahaha.

But generally, I did enjoy the time jump actually. And I simply wanted to use the witcher as an example for what Oda can actually do with it.

Totally fine with that!
I played the games and honestly love the series, but I also see why people who haven't read the books or played the games could be torn off.

 

[Tyki_Mikk]

From a story-telling perspective, i don't see the point in spoiling the ending of this flashback(which we already knew) already if he wasn't intending to switch to the current timeline next chapter

On the other hand though, he left as a cliffhanger the fact we shouldn't miss a single moment of what shall end up known as the hour of the legend

First I though the same that Oda probably cut it out because of the previous translation but with the Viz translation it seems like Oda just hype up Kaido vs Oden encounter already if we count this sentence:

"Now" with probably means we gonna see Oden and Retainer encounter Kaido and beast pirates in next chapter.

 

[Bullet]

Just with the naration of the last page you could see how much hyped Oda himself is lol he has been waiting so long to get to this arc.

 

[dirtyLarry]

Still confused as to how many fans don't understand the concept of Oden enduring humiliation for five years, despite being "nearly invincible" according to Oda.
He has always brought that theme up in his manga.
I swear people would get heart attacks these days, if they had to see a mountain bandit scrub "humiliating" Shanks in front of everyone and the latter not doing anything about it.

 

[Buusatan94]

Still confused as to how many fans don't understand the concept of Oden enduring humiliation for five years, despite being "nearly invincible" according to Oda.
He has always brought that theme up in his manga.
I swear people would get heart attacks these days, if they had to see a mountain bandit scrub "humiliating" Shanks in front of everyone and the latter not doing anything about it.

They still haven't understood that enduring ridicule, PIS and nerf doesn't make you weaker in One Piece. Some still can't understand why I never believed that Big Mom was weaker than her fellow yonkos and other top tiers.
What's worse is that some hypocritally use them to downplay and bash characters they don't like such as Big Mom, Fujitora or Shanks and yet ignore the moments when their favorite characters suffer from moments like these as well.

 

[MD Zolo]

Oda is hyping the encounter between Oden and Kaido. He also hyped SHP-Heart Pirates-Ninja-Mink-Samurai alliance vs. Kaido-BM alliance.

I am not sure which will be followed upon. But, one thing is for sure: a legendary encounter doesn't involve one low-diffing the other nor does it involve one resorting to unfair means.

 

[sanjikun]

:unsure:

 

[Tyki_Mikk]

Just with the naration of the last page you could see how much hyped Oda himself is lol he has been waiting so long to get to this arc.

Yeah it kinda amazing to see how Oda hype it himself up, probably he waiting for so long time to finally draw these pictures for next chapter, he must be very hyped himself for that moment. Can´t remember when Oda hyped something in a chapter this much in the past(post ts).

 

[ShadyOjiro]

:unsure:

 

[MasterD]

Man poor oden he was pushed to do all this things probably for his family and wano.
The end made me burst into flames of hype.

An other fruit well known to us making wano almost like a concert of dfs