Spoiler One Piece Chapter 979 Spoilers Discussion

Who Would Win?


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Imagine one day Oda calls King/Jacj bigger threat at fire festival where Kaido and BM are lol never

Katakuri was called Biggest threat/most trouble at tea party ,that even BM feels threatened and told him to know his place as a child

I think you misunderstand me bro, I agree the points with Kata. He seems not beeing a barbaric as King/Queen or Jack which would explain his lower bounty. Im sure in the case if he would do the same+beeing under Kaido flag,his bounty would be easily above King or Queens bounty, let say 1.5B.

I didn't deny to your points, you are right with Kata. But Smoothie and Cracker(be honest I can see even a higher bounty for Cracker because the WG doesn't really know his true face and ability, I can see Cracker having 1B+ too) are barbaric monsters too. We see how Smoothie killing womens because of a fucking drink, she is a beast and probably not better then Jack or Queen. Expect Katakuri and few other Big mom members I get the barbaric feeling from her crew too.
Yes Smoothie juices people

Even their names, BM commanders are not as savage as Jack
Not crazy too

Smoothie/Cracker wouldnt go challenging NAvy or Yonko recklessly too
Calamities do not know their place nor tdo they use their brains
That's why Jack got clapped , Queen was manhandled like fodder

Calamities attack Navy and anyone without fear or second thought, they destroy nations too

While Smoothie we saw how she runs from Tantrum BM , Queen is dumb and was almost dead if BM used soul pocus.
 
Assuming Ulti will be defeated by one of Usopp's tricks is some Fairy Tail kind of level. I don't wanna see this bullshit.
This forum needs Optimistic Rating for this kind of post

Do you think it's not MEGA BULLSHIT, that the key factor in defeating Sugar, who has orchestrated the whole Forgotten Doll plot in Dressrosa for years, is Usopp sticking his tonge and made weird face after eating spicy chili.
The key to Doflamingo's main card that has kept Dressrosa at his palm is a mere gag!!

Whatever happened to Lulti later won't even compare to that bullshit.
Sugar's importance to Doffy >>> Lulti's role within Beast pirates.

And the worst already happened in One Piss
 

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Oda himself said that yonko commanders get a bounty raise based on their captain. Kaido and his crew actively destroy countries and wreak havoc, but BM prefers business.
1. That's not what Oda said. Oda simply said that being under an emperor has an impact on the bounty, nothing about their whole bounties being based on their captains. Since you're using this statement by Oda, let's also look at the example he used to express this statement:

Strawhat pirates who didn't participate in the battle at Dressrosa getting a bounty increase of 50 mil, after Luffy goes up to 500 mil. A very small amount.

Then in the manga created by that same Oda who made that statement we come to post-WCI, Luffy's bounty has been increased by 1 billion, standing at 1.5 billion. Luffy is now also recognized as an emerging Emperor of the sea. What is the bounty raise given to the strawhats not present there? None. Why? Because bounties are pretty much all based on individual achievements, with a minor part being something else. You guys however have turned that minor part into a major part of their bounties.. which is simply not the case.

2. Since you're bringing up the captains and bounties based on that.. Let's go over that then:

Bounty gap between Kaido & Big Mom: 223 mil
Bounty gap between Kaido's YC2 & Big Mom's YC1: 263 mil

Already a higher bounty gap between than the Captains, and we haven't even gotten to Kaido's "YC1", who's bounty is likely to be fairly higher than Queen's. Now let's look at a diff bounty gap:

Bounty gap between Kaido & Shanks: 600 mil

Who's crew is it that's hyped up to have people with high bounties all across? Shanks



So with both examples we have a clear representation of the Captain's bounty having absolutely no correlation to the bounty of the individuals below them. So with this, I assume you would then want to move to the "wrecks havoc and destroys country" with a claim that it's diff than just how high the captain's bounty is.. So.. let's move to that.



3. Big Mom Pirates & The Beast Pirates..


- Big Mom Pirates are introduced as people who destroy nations simply because the nation didn't deliver candy on time or in good amount. With threatening to destroy FMI. Strengthened again when bobbins reports to Big Mom they destroyed the country because they failed to deliver...
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- Beast Pirates are introduced as people who destroy nations because they have a target they need. With Jack's introduction of putting down the Zou because he was sure the Dukes were lying and hiding Raizo there.

Now who's exactly more dangerous, somebody who destroys countries for something as insignificant as candy or somebody who destroys nations to find a target believed to be a threat to them? Not a whole lot of difference is there now.. in fact Big Mom looks like the more savage one here if anything.


Who's the one that's introduced with having strong connections to the underworld? Big Mom
Who's introduced with having intelligence all over the world to a point she can take out a target in east blue if she wanted? Big Mom
Who has a bigger army in numbers? Big Mom

Kaido's forces on the other hand and actions are fairly limited to Wano and just building up.. and aren't even as big as Big Mom Pirates.

The only real reason why people believe Beast Pirates are somehow more "savage", "actively destroy countries", "cause havoc".. is literally because of the fact they're animals, thus have a "savage" image to them.. The fact is Big Mom Pirates do equal if not worst shit than the beast pirates.



4. Let's look at the subjects at hand here, Jack and Katakuri:

Role-

-> What is Katakuri's role in the Big Mom pirates? Directly under Big Mom, with all of his siblings looking up to him.
-> What is Jack's role in the Beast Pirates? Gets bullied by King and Queen, with being the strongest after them. Not even close to being Kaido's next in command.

Based on the fact that Big Mom pirates do equally if not worst shit than the Beast Pirates, and Big Mom & Kaido are viewed as Cat & Dog.. The bounty of Big Mom's next-in-command should be higher, as he's right under Big Mom to command such a giant organization. But rather he only has 57 mil higher than a guy who is nowhere close to being the same role as Katakuri in his respective crew.

Experience-

Big Mom has been an emperor for 2 decades now, where Katakuri would've been around 28 if we're just limiting it to hardline of BM being an emperor for only 20 years max. We also saw in his flashback, he's been fighting since he was a youngin, and wanted to be a protector for his fam since young age. Considering the likes of Marco/Shanks were fighting in their 15s-17s already, Katakuri should be in a similar situation. Which would give Katakuri at the very least 30 years of experience as a pirate.

On the other hand you have Jack who is just 28 now, at most he has around 15-17 years of experience as a solid pirate fighting. Half of Katakuri's.

Yet despite Katakuri having at-least a decade + of experience over Jack as a pirate, he's only 57 mil above him.


The conclusion of this would be: Jack in 28 years of his life, has accomplished about nearly as much Katakuri with his 48 years.. when it comes to Piracy.



So all of the things are in Katakuri's favor. A bigger role in nearly an equal dangerous organization as the Beast Pirates. Vastly more experience on the seas than Jack.. Yet only a near irrelevant amount of 57 mil gap between him and Jack.

What does Katakuri have that Jack doesn't, that creates this giant gap between them in the brains of the fandom? A 20 chapter fight with the Main Character.



5. If you want to tell fans not use bounties or bounties are irrelevant to strength calculations for the YCs.. then it's best to tell Oda for that:






He has constantly used bounty when it comes to the commanders to hype up their strength. Even the red-haired pirates. It doesn't make sense when people supporting Katakuri complain about usage of bounty to judge strength.. when half of Katakuri's big hype in the manga was "1 billion beri man". Yet you are trying to tell me it's irrelevant. That doesn't go with the mangaka's intentions based on the constant usage of bounty for the Yonko Commanders and their strength.
 
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