Spoiler One Piece Chapter 983 Spoilers Discussion
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I'm not going to get into power scaling because that's your own head canon vs my own head canon and Oda doesn't care about either of our opinions on that.
What I am going to comment on is what I picked out from the very start. You are saying There's no build up or some kind of meaningful personal something or other between Zoro and King AS IF THAT'S A THING THAT MATTERS with Zoro
I would say King's name being wildfire and him using a sword and fire in the battle against Oden is WAYYYY more indicative of his actual fighting style than him RAMMING big mom's ship that one time. According to you his fighting style is Ramming things from mid air.
So no, there is build up. The exact same amount of build up as any other villain Zoro has fought.
Orochi exists to be the weakling that even a Zoro who has beaten King and has sustained massive injury CAN STILL beat becasuw he's that weak. And piling on minions won't stop him from being weak and stomped.
What I am going to comment on is what I picked out from the very start. You are saying There's no build up or some kind of meaningful personal something or other between Zoro and King AS IF THAT'S A THING THAT MATTERS with Zoro
I would say King's name being wildfire and him using a sword and fire in the battle against Oden is WAYYYY more indicative of his actual fighting style than him RAMMING big mom's ship that one time. According to you his fighting style is Ramming things from mid air.
So no, there is build up. The exact same amount of build up as any other villain Zoro has fought.
Orochi exists to be the weakling that even a Zoro who has beaten King and has sustained massive injury CAN STILL beat becasuw he's that weak. And piling on minions won't stop him from being weak and stomped.
Yonji isn't on luffy's level NOT EVEN CLOSE. Sanji off-screened him. so how does a simple CLASH between the two prove anything about daifuku and ulti?
Blocking an attck? that means nothing lol. Chopper was able to block big moms attack. I guess by youre logic chopper is yonkou level.
this is the problem with using simple Blocks or clashes in power scaling...it doesn't work.
like I said...NAMI DOESNT NEED REACTION SPEED. that's not how she fights. she didn't use it in the fight with kaulifa using (soru) she had mirage tempo to counterit.
no they are NOT the only characters to force luffy into G4...are you foprgetting when luffy went g4 to punch a bunch of fodders on a ship?
no...that's just youre headcannon, you don't know for a FACt that Big Mom uses it different than nami..stop it with the guessing. All we know is nami has a yonkou weapon. that's it.
Ulti was not fighting luffy ALONE. If pageone wasn't there then luffy wouldn't have been forced into g4.
if were're talking BOTH Robin and Franky vs luffy the yes I could see them forcing luffy into G4. You're saying robin couldn't pin luffy down like ulti did if it was a 2 v 1 franky and robin?
Blocking an attck? that means nothing lol. Chopper was able to block big moms attack. I guess by youre logic chopper is yonkou level.
this is the problem with using simple Blocks or clashes in power scaling...it doesn't work.
like I said...NAMI DOESNT NEED REACTION SPEED. that's not how she fights. she didn't use it in the fight with kaulifa using (soru) she had mirage tempo to counterit.
no they are NOT the only characters to force luffy into G4...are you foprgetting when luffy went g4 to punch a bunch of fodders on a ship?
no...that's just youre headcannon, you don't know for a FACt that Big Mom uses it different than nami..stop it with the guessing. All we know is nami has a yonkou weapon. that's it.
Neither Robin and Nami have the feats for matching Luffy, Nami fucking struggel against far weaker opponents, stop it you sound like a fanboy. Nami and Robin ending like Smoker who use Tashigi body and get trashed by Luffy casually with G2. That huge is the different between these characters.
What funny about Ulti beeing stronger then Diamante? Diamante would get rekt hard by current Luffy, he couldn't even dream to force Luffy to G4.
Ulti is in same ballpark as xDrake, she force fucking Luffy to use G4, she overbreak his CoA with her own CoA. She play of course in that league, you are simple a Nami fanboy and a Ulti hater if you think that Ulti don't play in same league as xDrake and co. She already have better physical and haki feat then Doffy, what has Nami and Robin?
Imagine thinking Nami or Robin could force Luffy to use G3/G4...
What funny about Ulti beeing stronger then Diamante? Diamante would get rekt hard by current Luffy, he couldn't even dream to force Luffy to G4.
Ulti is in same ballpark as xDrake, she force fucking Luffy to use G4, she overbreak his CoA with her own CoA. She play of course in that league, you are simple a Nami fanboy and a Ulti hater if you think that Ulti don't play in same league as xDrake and co. She already have better physical and haki feat then Doffy, what has Nami and Robin?
Imagine thinking Nami or Robin could force Luffy to use G3/G4...
if were're talking BOTH Robin and Franky vs luffy the yes I could see them forcing luffy into G4. You're saying robin couldn't pin luffy down like ulti did if it was a 2 v 1 franky and robin?
That's why I said King's main ability could be different, his flying zoan is not for show. His fire could be important, but his flying zoan might be even more, we will see.
Daz Bones was literally a ''sword man'', there was no doubt that was for Zoro. I don't see any confirmation for King's powers yet, and to think that Zoro will try to accomplish something Kinemon already does, wouldn't be look good. Why would you need to cut fire to defeat King anyway? He is not fire man and his body is not made from fire, even if he is, haki exists to counter it. I don't see any similarities with Daz Bones here, ''yet'' at least.
Diamante was also the swordsman of Doflamingo family but Zoro took Pica instead, anything could happen.
Daz Bones was literally a ''sword man'', there was no doubt that was for Zoro. I don't see any confirmation for King's powers yet, and to think that Zoro will try to accomplish something Kinemon already does, wouldn't be look good. Why would you need to cut fire to defeat King anyway? He is not fire man and his body is not made from fire, even if he is, haki exists to counter it. I don't see any similarities with Daz Bones here, ''yet'' at least.
Diamante was also the swordsman of Doflamingo family but Zoro took Pica instead, anything could happen.
No worries, it works for Oda.
If you think Zoro will fight doffy, cracker before he fights King you set yourself for disappointment.
If Oda put him vs Kaido right away, it will be so.
Besides, Zoro already took out a supernova and Pica who is YC lvl with DR amount of stone.
@Akuma_Law If he is as strong as I suspect, that's too much struggle vs someone like King but your expectations should be met regardless, at least vs an Emperor since only them can push Zoro to absolute maximum among the opponents in Wano.
If you think Zoro will fight doffy, cracker before he fights King you set yourself for disappointment.
If Oda put him vs Kaido right away, it will be so.
Besides, Zoro already took out a supernova and Pica who is YC lvl with DR amount of stone.
@Akuma_Law If he is as strong as I suspect, that's too much struggle vs someone like King but your expectations should be met regardless, at least vs an Emperor since only them can push Zoro to absolute maximum among the opponents in Wano.
Well, base from the chapter. He need G4 because ulti's grip is so strong. So what i mean, if oda decided to make luffy goes Gear Fourth there, im not sure Ulti will able to withstand Luffy Gear Fourth for a period of time.
For me, Who'who might ate Smilodon/Sabertooth Tiger and Sasaki might ate Triceratops DF. Not a lion.
If Who's Who and Sasaki don't have Lion and Sabertooth Tiger Devil Fruits respectively.
I will be disappointed
I will be disappointed
Yeah, thats why i said there has to be missing panel. Because i dont know how Ulti caught luffy off-guard.
But, when Luffy need to go Gear Fourth against Ulti might be an indication that he had a better control of his Gear Fourth. Remember when he already use Gear Fourth in the beast pirates ship.
But, when Luffy need to go Gear Fourth against Ulti might be an indication that he had a better control of his Gear Fourth. Remember when he already use Gear Fourth in the beast pirates ship.
Yeah, thats why i said there has to be missing panel. Because i dont know how Ulti caught luffy off-guard.
But, when Luffy need to go Gear Fourth against Ulti might be an indication that he had a better control of his Gear Fourth. Remember when he already use Gear Fourth in the beast pirates ship.
But, when Luffy need to go Gear Fourth against Ulti might be an indication that he had a better control of his Gear Fourth. Remember when he already use Gear Fourth in the beast pirates ship.
Imo Oda should make Luffy's base skills/strength (G2-G3) stronger and more prominent now, since he's more muscular and filled with penetrative CoA now.
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