Spoiler One Piece Chapter 996 Spoilers Discussion
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Sanji hasn't had a character arc in Wano, but that's not a problem exclusive to him or this arc. We could say the same thing about Zoro giving in to his alcoholic tendencies and getting lost all the time (before Wano). In the absence of real character arcs and progression, a character can only be so much and relies heavily on the plot to showcase their admirable character traits. I'll agree that the Straw Hats as a whole (including Sanji) are seriously lacking in agency post time-skip and that maybe some people (including you) find Sanji's quirks in the absence of meaningful character moments to be the most annoying out of all the Straw Hats. Luffy is the only one who is consistent in this regard.
I also disagree completely about Sanji's arc in WCI just being about him "crying and being emo". If that was your take away, I genuinely don't know what to say. It is, bar none, the best arc in the series with regards to character exploration through show (not tell) with multiple examples. If you look at the series, Oda actually is not too successful at this in general, but this was an arc where he absolutely killed it. It shot Sanji up to be my overall #1 favourite just based on how damn endearing he is. Sure, you can flatly summarize a lot of that as "Sanji is a wholesome, good boy *yawn*", but that ignores how emotionally resonant it rang in the moment. There were so many developments with them all intertwining with each other, among which includes Sanji wrestling with the grudge against against his family and finding it in his heart to forgive his siblings due to the circumstances of how they were raised and that attitude carrying over to how he reacts to Pudding and is able to forgive her, too. Sanji is the supreme gentleman (to all people, not just women). A lot of people criticize this arc as being the "save Sanji" arc in the vein of "save Nami" and "save Robin" but the pretext and reason for resolution differs. Sanji saw himself as a burden to the Straw Hats because of his Vinsmoke ties (similar to Robin's reason for leaving), and only when he was convinced that Luffy actually couldn't actually become Pirate King without him was he able to acquiesce. This aspect was completely different from the Luffy-Nami and Luffy-Robin dynamic (at the time) and paints a very different picture in Sanji's role in the crew. There are so many insights and developments shown (not stated) throughout the arc that I can't take anyone who disparages it or Sanji's character seriously.
Sure, I would love for him to get more progression and moments in Wano (along with other Straw Hats). I just think that complaints specifically targeted at him about his exaggerated simping/perving quirk, which is such a minor aspect of his character, to be misplaced and grating.
I also disagree completely about Sanji's arc in WCI just being about him "crying and being emo". If that was your take away, I genuinely don't know what to say. It is, bar none, the best arc in the series with regards to character exploration through show (not tell) with multiple examples. If you look at the series, Oda actually is not too successful at this in general, but this was an arc where he absolutely killed it. It shot Sanji up to be my overall #1 favourite just based on how damn endearing he is. Sure, you can flatly summarize a lot of that as "Sanji is a wholesome, good boy *yawn*", but that ignores how emotionally resonant it rang in the moment. There were so many developments with them all intertwining with each other, among which includes Sanji wrestling with the grudge against against his family and finding it in his heart to forgive his siblings due to the circumstances of how they were raised and that attitude carrying over to how he reacts to Pudding and is able to forgive her, too. Sanji is the supreme gentleman (to all people, not just women). A lot of people criticize this arc as being the "save Sanji" arc in the vein of "save Nami" and "save Robin" but the pretext and reason for resolution differs. Sanji saw himself as a burden to the Straw Hats because of his Vinsmoke ties (similar to Robin's reason for leaving), and only when he was convinced that Luffy actually couldn't actually become Pirate King without him was he able to acquiesce. This aspect was completely different from the Luffy-Nami and Luffy-Robin dynamic (at the time) and paints a very different picture in Sanji's role in the crew. There are so many insights and developments shown (not stated) throughout the arc that I can't take anyone who disparages it or Sanji's character seriously.
Sure, I would love for him to get more progression and moments in Wano (along with other Straw Hats). I just think that complaints specifically targeted at him about his exaggerated simping/perving quirk, which is such a minor aspect of his character, to be misplaced and grating.
K
since Oda stated in a 1vs1, he is the winner. "If it is one against one, Kaido will win (translation of Anime)."
If it is one against one, always bet on Kaido (translation of Viz manga).
This is the same man who challenged the entire Navy and the Four Emperors ONLY and yet, they couldn't finish him.
It made Kaido frustrated to the point of being depressed because all he wanted to do was die. But as oda said, "No one could kill this man. Not even himself ".
His title was translated by some manga website as" Strongest Beast Alive ". It was a translation error because in the official VIZ translation, which is directly associated with Oda (and we have to pay to see the translation) , is declared as "On land, sea and air. He is the pirate known as the strongest Creature of all living things ".
And Oda used the word 'Saikyō Seibutsu (最強 生物): which translated as The Strongest Biological Being / The Strongest Creature Among All Beings. Seibutsu includes all living things in the world, including humans. The reason why free manga sites misspell Kaido's title is because the English word "Creature" has plural meanings, but in the original scan there is no ambiguity because the word 'Seibutsu' is the one being used, which is why Kaido was not given the title "Strongest Man" or anything like that, because he is simply not human.
Kaido's title isn't ambiguous at all in the japanese version, his title 100% include humans.
You can do a quick research on what Seibutsu mean:
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/せいぶつ#Japanese
living thing, life, organism, creature .
https://www.kanjijapanese.com/en/dictionary-japanese-english/seibutsu
seibutsu creature 2. seibutsu living things.
The ambiguity only come from people reading the English chapter and assuming the word "creature" is to be understood in the animal sense.
In japanese it clearly mean Kaido is the strongest living organism/thing and quite obviously humans are living things.
Kaido's title 100% put him above any human alive in the series, the only way Kaido isn't the strongest character is if his title is fake in the first place or if someone surpass him in the future.
Even Mama Yonko recognized and respected power of Kaido and could not understand the idea of Luffy defeating Kaido in chapter 871 saying: "Kaido?!? !! Mamamama ...
You will never bring this thing down! ". Even when we knew that BM itself is a freak of nature, but here we are witnessing that even Big Mom knows that Kaido is something beyond any of our minds could think of.
Not to mention that she laughed again in the current chapters about Luffy defeating Kaido.
Romance ACE, Skull recognizes him as the best in 1x1, and superior to the WB, the WSM.
The closest to kaido's defeat was against ODEN, in which he ended up winning (he underestimated oden in its weakest form). We know that in order to put Kaido on the ground and almost defeat him, you need to do more DAMAGE than Tougen Totsuka and mortally wound him (if you are a swordsman or have a sharp weapon like the 4 emperors), the 4 emperors including Kaido , has sharp weapons, and they never replicated what ODEN did to Kaido's body, which raises doubts about how KAIDO suffered 7 losses? In its introduction it was never said that these defeats originated in 1x1 clashes, which leaves the possibilities of 1x1,1x2,1x3 open, or even more, as examples we have SHIKI vs Garp and Sengoku. It is also mentioned that he was captured 18 times, how was a person captured 18 times and had only 7 defeats? The means used to capture him may have been used to defeat him, in group battles or not.
Referring to the admirals who had lethal DF, Akainu, Aokiji, Kizaru with their lasers and never caused any injury to Kaido that is evidently exposed as a scar in kaido, and we have examples of Aokiji vs Akainu in which they were left with scars, Luffy stayed with Akainu scars, among other examples, Jozu lost his arm, the lethality of his Dfs does not apply to the monster called kaido, because logic does not apply to YONKOUS.
If it is one against one, always bet on Kaido (translation of Viz manga).
This is the same man who challenged the entire Navy and the Four Emperors ONLY and yet, they couldn't finish him.
It made Kaido frustrated to the point of being depressed because all he wanted to do was die. But as oda said, "No one could kill this man. Not even himself ".
His title was translated by some manga website as" Strongest Beast Alive ". It was a translation error because in the official VIZ translation, which is directly associated with Oda (and we have to pay to see the translation) , is declared as "On land, sea and air. He is the pirate known as the strongest Creature of all living things ".
And Oda used the word 'Saikyō Seibutsu (最強 生物): which translated as The Strongest Biological Being / The Strongest Creature Among All Beings. Seibutsu includes all living things in the world, including humans. The reason why free manga sites misspell Kaido's title is because the English word "Creature" has plural meanings, but in the original scan there is no ambiguity because the word 'Seibutsu' is the one being used, which is why Kaido was not given the title "Strongest Man" or anything like that, because he is simply not human.
Kaido's title isn't ambiguous at all in the japanese version, his title 100% include humans.
You can do a quick research on what Seibutsu mean:
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/せいぶつ#Japanese
living thing, life, organism, creature .
https://www.kanjijapanese.com/en/dictionary-japanese-english/seibutsu
seibutsu creature 2. seibutsu living things.
The ambiguity only come from people reading the English chapter and assuming the word "creature" is to be understood in the animal sense.
In japanese it clearly mean Kaido is the strongest living organism/thing and quite obviously humans are living things.
Kaido's title 100% put him above any human alive in the series, the only way Kaido isn't the strongest character is if his title is fake in the first place or if someone surpass him in the future.
Even Mama Yonko recognized and respected power of Kaido and could not understand the idea of Luffy defeating Kaido in chapter 871 saying: "Kaido?!? !! Mamamama ...
You will never bring this thing down! ". Even when we knew that BM itself is a freak of nature, but here we are witnessing that even Big Mom knows that Kaido is something beyond any of our minds could think of.
Not to mention that she laughed again in the current chapters about Luffy defeating Kaido.
Romance ACE, Skull recognizes him as the best in 1x1, and superior to the WB, the WSM.
The closest to kaido's defeat was against ODEN, in which he ended up winning (he underestimated oden in its weakest form). We know that in order to put Kaido on the ground and almost defeat him, you need to do more DAMAGE than Tougen Totsuka and mortally wound him (if you are a swordsman or have a sharp weapon like the 4 emperors), the 4 emperors including Kaido , has sharp weapons, and they never replicated what ODEN did to Kaido's body, which raises doubts about how KAIDO suffered 7 losses? In its introduction it was never said that these defeats originated in 1x1 clashes, which leaves the possibilities of 1x1,1x2,1x3 open, or even more, as examples we have SHIKI vs Garp and Sengoku. It is also mentioned that he was captured 18 times, how was a person captured 18 times and had only 7 defeats? The means used to capture him may have been used to defeat him, in group battles or not.
Referring to the admirals who had lethal DF, Akainu, Aokiji, Kizaru with their lasers and never caused any injury to Kaido that is evidently exposed as a scar in kaido, and we have examples of Aokiji vs Akainu in which they were left with scars, Luffy stayed with Akainu scars, among other examples, Jozu lost his arm, the lethality of his Dfs does not apply to the monster called kaido, because logic does not apply to YONKOUS.
Z
why dont we get oda giving mihawk the wsm title? Didnt oda do that for whitebeard? Isnt it ur side thats 100% confident mihawk is the current strongest?
see it isnt difficult throwing these questions back at you
Im open to kaido being or not being the strongest. Are you open to mihawk not being the strongest?
see it isnt difficult throwing these questions back at you
Im open to kaido being or not being the strongest. Are you open to mihawk not being the strongest?
"None can doubt that in a one on one fight, Kaido will always be the victor"
"People say in a one on one always bet on Kaido"
Do people think Oda is trying to trick us? Does anyone have any similar hype? If the whole world is saying it then maybe it's legit
"People say in a one on one always bet on Kaido"
Do people think Oda is trying to trick us? Does anyone have any similar hype? If the whole world is saying it then maybe it's legit
"Mihawk is the strongest swordsman in title and actuality"
Fraudo
(Zoro trains a lot unlike Luffy/Sanji)
I mean, Fujitora and Greenbull already look relatively "bad" by getting so fucked up by Four people who are Yc1 level at most. Note that I think Sabo is stronger than most people
Aokiji is likely gonna job to Blackbeard or even Shilliew
Akainu and Kizaru seem like they will be the only admirals left without being dehyped by the time the Final War happens
Aokiji is likely gonna job to Blackbeard or even Shilliew
Akainu and Kizaru seem like they will be the only admirals left without being dehyped by the time the Final War happens
K
There are still uninformed people who believe that the title of Kaido is in the ANIMAL sense.
since Oda stated in a 1vs1, he is the winner. "If it is one against one, Kaido will win (translation of Anime)."
If it is one against one, always bet on Kaido (translation of Viz manga).
This is the same man who challenged the entire Navy and the Four Emperors ONLY and yet, they couldn't finish him.
It made Kaido frustrated to the point of being depressed because all he wanted to do was die. But as oda said, "No one could kill this man. Not even himself ".
His title was translated by some manga website as" Strongest Beast Alive ". It was a translation error because in the official VIZ translation, which is directly associated with Oda (and we have to pay to see the translation) , is declared as "On land, sea and air. He is the pirate known as the strongest Creature of all living things ".
And Oda used the word 'Saikyō Seibutsu (最強 生物): which translated as The Strongest Biological Being / The Strongest Creature Among All Beings. Seibutsu includes all living things in the world, including humans. The reason why free manga sites misspell Kaido's title is because the English word "Creature" has plural meanings, but in the original scan there is no ambiguity because the word 'Seibutsu' is the one being used, which is why Kaido was not given the title "Strongest Man" or anything like that, because he is simply not human.
Kaido's title isn't ambiguous at all in the japanese version, his title 100% include humans.
You can do a quick research on what Seibutsu mean:
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/せいぶつ#Japanese
living thing, life, organism, creature .
https://www.kanjijapanese.com/en/dictionary-japanese-english/seibutsu
seibutsu creature 2. seibutsu living things.
The ambiguity only come from people reading the English chapter and assuming the word "creature" is to be understood in the animal sense.
In japanese it clearly mean Kaido is the strongest living organism/thing and quite obviously humans are living things.
Kaido's title 100% put him above any human alive in the series, the only way Kaido isn't the strongest character is if his title is fake in the first place or if someone surpass him in the future.
Even Mama Yonko recognized and respected power of Kaido and could not understand the idea of Luffy defeating Kaido in chapter 871 saying: "Kaido?!? !! Mamamama ...
You will never bring this thing down! ". Even when we knew that BM itself is a freak of nature, but here we are witnessing that even Big Mom knows that Kaido is something beyond any of our minds could think of.
Not to mention that she laughed again in the current chapters about Luffy defeating Kaido.
Romance ACE, Skull recognizes him as the best in 1x1, and superior to the WB, the WSM.
The closest to kaido's defeat was against ODEN, in which he ended up winning (he underestimated oden in its weakest form). We know that in order to put Kaido on the ground and almost defeat him, you need to do more DAMAGE than Tougen Totsuka and mortally wound him (if you are a swordsman or have a sharp weapon like the 4 emperors), the 4 emperors including Kaido , has sharp weapons, and they never replicated what ODEN did to Kaido's body, which raises doubts about how KAIDO suffered 7 losses? In its introduction it was never said that these defeats originated in 1x1 clashes, which leaves the possibilities of 1x1,1x2,1x3 open, or even more, as examples we have SHIKI vs Garp and Sengoku. It is also mentioned that he was captured 18 times, how was a person captured 18 times and had only 7 defeats? The means used to capture him may have been used to defeat him, in group battles or not.
Referring to the admirals who had lethal DF, Akainu, Aokiji, Kizaru with their lasers and never caused any injury to Kaido that is evidently exposed as a scar in kaido, and we have examples of Aokiji vs Akainu in which they were left with scars, Luffy stayed with Akainu scars, among other examples, Jozu lost his arm, the lethality of his Dfs does not apply to the monster called kaido, because logic does not apply to YONKOUS.
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