News One Piece: Vivre Card (Data book)-Discussion Thread

[Lor D. Coast]

The funny thing about this Guernika/CP0 discussion is that his card says he came from CP9, isn't Lucci the strongest CP9 ever? And then him and Kaku grew significantly stronger and are now masked CP0 agents. Doesn't this prove that CP0 Guernica is weaker than pts Lucci?

 

[sanjikun]

I mean it's quite fucking clear it's just re-iterating what's in the manga. Artur posts that himself. They introduced CP0 as the "World's Strongest" whatever.

So whether it's the translation or the original wording, there is some fuck up.

 

[Fuckthis3]

I mean it's quite fucking clear it's just re-iterating what's in the manga. Artur posts that himself. They introduced CP0 as the "World's Strongest" whatever.

So whether it's the translation or the original wording, there is some fuck up.

Fuck this

 

[L57]

I mean it's quite fucking clear it's just re-iterating what's in the manga. Artur posts that himself. They introduced CP0 as the "World's Strongest" whatever.

So whether it's the translation or the original wording, there is some fuck up.

The manga already said "guernika is one of the best agents" key "one of"
Vc shows all 3 of them then the text about strongest agency shit

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

天竜人の剣、となり「盾」となる世界最強の特権エージェント!!

天竜人 celestial dragons
の of
剣 sword
となり to serve as
盾 shield
と and
なる to become
世界 world
最強 strongest
の of
特権 special
エージェント!! agent!!

He serves as the sword and shield of the Celestial Dragons, the World's Strongest Special Agent!!

Facts

 

[ThunderSupernova]

The issue is where the "no"/の is placed that denotes possession ("of"/"'s") in English. Usually titles are

世界最強 = Sekai Saikyo/World's Strongest の {insert thing}.

- 世界最強の剣士
- 世界最強の男

Here it's including the "special" before the の.

- 世界最強特級のエージェント

I don't know enough Japanese to make a distinction though, but common sense really pushes me towards the narrative that this is some fuck up somewhere. (Either in the VC wording or the translations by fans)

I really think they were trying to say an agent OF the world's strongest special/agency.

Context makes it clear by directly relaxing the words with an image... an image of not Guernika... but Guernika, Maha, and another CP0 agent
Making it clear that the words refer to CP0 as a whole

Japanese doesn't have clear plural like English, so you need context
And context is very clear here

 

[L57]

Facts

You are finished dog
Mr go is garbage

 

[Lor D. Coast]

Facts

Not as factual as this tho.

These mfs were promoted from CP9 to CP0 while being weaker than the strongest CP9 in history meaning they're actually between CP0 Blueno and pts Lucci.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Not as factual as this tho.

These mfs were promoted from CP9 to CP0 while being weaker than the strongest CP9 in history meaning they're actually between CP0 Blueno and pts Lucci.

You are finished dog
Mr go is garbage

天竜人の剣、となり「盾」となる世界最強の特権エージェント!!

天竜人 celestial dragons
の of
剣 sword
となり to serve as
盾 shield
と and
なる to become
世界 world
最強 strongest
の of
特権 special
エージェント!! agent!!

He serves as the sword and shield of the Celestial Dragons, the World's Strongest Special Agent!!

 

[Moegara]

The funny thing about this Guernika/CP0 discussion is that his card says he came from CP9, isn't Lucci the strongest CP9 ever? And then him and Kaku grew significantly stronger and are now masked CP0 agents. Doesn't this prove that CP0 Guernica is weaker than pts Lucci?

I think it proves CP9 Lucci was stronger than CP9 Guernica, just like CP0 Lucci is stronger than CP0 Guernica.

He wasn't "pre-TS villain" level on Onigashima.

 

[L57]

Being delusional is free
Manga even said he s one of the best agents
You are dumb as a rock,
Blud struggled vs drake
That s all you need to know ,garbage character @TheAncientCenturion

 

[Lor D. Coast]

I think it proves CP9 Lucci was stronger than CP9 Guernica, just like CP0 Lucci is stronger than CP0 Guernica.

He wasn't "pre-TS villain" level on Onigashima.

Pts characters are stronger than we thought.
Both Lucci and Guernica were CP9 agents, Guernica is 12 years older and was promoted while not being nearly as strong as Lucci was during his CP9 career.
It's a fact that CP0 Guernica would lose to CP9 Lucci.


There's also this

Question : Hello, Oda! I wrote this letter from France, and I wanted to know how the members of CP9 got promoted into CP0. I wish you good luck!

Oda : Ok, because of the translation, the Japanese got weird, so I just put the message as is. Firstly, let's talk abou the CP9, who were defeated at Enies Lobby. They CP9 members appeared in the Cover Story Series - CP9's Independent Report, in which they were blamed by their chief, Spandam, with the "Sin of Mission Failure", in which they decided to vanish somewhere else.

That's how their training to get stronger started. On the other hand, for some reason, due to the authority of Spandine, Spandam's father, he got promoted as Chief of CP0! From here, Lucci and the others uncovered the "Invasion Crime" plot that the underworld bigshot and former Level 6 prisoners were scheming with Spandine and crushed those organizations to prevent it.

After that Incident, Lucci and the others were reinstated as agents of CP0. Spandine is on his sickbed and lost all his authority, and Spandam became Lucci's underling.

They canonically trained to get stronger before getting into CP0.

 

[MonochromeYoru]

The funny thing about this Guernika/CP0 discussion is that his card says he came from CP9, isn't Lucci the strongest CP9 ever? And then him and Kaku grew significantly stronger and are now masked CP0 agents. Doesn't this prove that CP0 Guernica is weaker than pts Lucci?

Not necessarily.

We don't know how long Go stayed in CP9.

If he was recruited into CP0 pretty early into his cp9 career, his cp9 version would not have been close to his full potential. So, Lucci who had been with cp9 for two decades would still be the strongest cp9 member ever.


Pre timeskip gucci lost to a haki-less condom...

 

[Kriegborne]

Fuck this

3

 

[Fuckthis3]

3

Bone

 

[Ven437]

So Mr. Go being Top 1 CP0 was a fucking lie

L Drake stocks in the mud again

 

[shadow31]

I've had another Japanese speaker tell me "world's strongest special agent" as well. I've only seen Artur and twitter folks saying that it's a reference to CP-0

The issue is where the "no"/の is placed that denotes possession ("of"/"'s") in English. Usually titles are

世界最強 = Sekai Saikyo/World's Strongest の {insert thing}.

- 世界最強の剣士
- 世界最強の男

Here it's including the "special" before the の.

- 世界最強特級のエージェント

I don't know enough Japanese to make a distinction though, but common sense really pushes me towards the narrative that this is some fuck up somewhere. (Either in the VC wording or the translations by fans)

I really think they were trying to say an agent OF the world's strongest special/agency.

The context was very unclear.
Having the "tokkyū" before the "no" change everything because that doesn't mean "sekai saikyo no tokkyu ejento" anymore but "sekai saikyo tokkyu no ejento".

But even like this, it still implies Guernika is the strongest because that means in english "the strongest special agent in the world". Because you have to cut the sentence in 2 parts : [sekai saikyo] -> world's strongest and [tokkyū no ejento] -> special agent.

But as said, the context was very unclear. If it didn't show just Guernika but it showed Guernika and his colleagues, it would rather mean "the strongest special agentS in the world". So no more only Guernika but indeed the agency in its entirety.

 

[Simit]

In the white box below the picture on Guernikas Vivre Card in the essence-box. Does it say, that all CP0 members (not just the known one from Enies Lobby), were former CP9 members? Guernika, Maha, Gismonda and Stussy, but everyone.
To become a CP0 agent, you must first go through CP9?

 

[Sentinel]

@ZenZu @grey matter @CbShadow @HA001 @SakazOuki @MarineHQ @nik87 @L57 @TheAncientCenturion @Sentinel @Tyki_Mikk
Agenda died hard .

He's just one of many japanese translators.

It's not Guernicover.

 

[DarkWitch]

From sandman.