Questions & Mysteries Overall Did Yonko Commanders meet your expectations or were they a Dissapointment?

[ConquistadoR]

Kata is indeed appreciating luffy strength here and we did see boundman destroy cracker biscuit army.

However, was it enough? No... You can call it matchup issue but oda did make cracker put boundman in bind and made luffy go for tank man because bound man wasn't enough to deal with cracker. That's special treatment

Nah to me there's no debate when Kata said that.
Tankman is just a situational form of G4.
It's like a specific ability.

He didn't even use it vs Yonko, only Boundman regularly & Snakeman situationally.
Boundman is the base G4 form, Snakeman for speed & gatling-type attacks & Tankman is just a one off specific thing.

In tankings though, Gear 4 Luffy > Cracker since "Now i can see why you are Stronger than Cracker" was literally Kata's reaction to it.

 

[Reborn]

Nah to me there's no debate when Kata said that.
Tankman is just a situational form of G4.
It's like a specific ability.

He didn't even use it vs Yonko, only Boundman regularly & Snakeman situationally.
Boundman is the base G4 form, Snakeman for speed & gatling-type attacks & Tankman is just a one off specific thing.

In tankings though, Gear 4 Luffy > Cracker since "Now i can see why you are Stronger than Cracker" was literally Kata's reaction to it.

He never said "now I can see why you are stronger"

He clearly meant to acknowledge Luffy G4 abilities here and he used the word "How" for this specific reason.

 

[Oliver]

commanders were fine, the problem was with the strawhat's power creep.

How exactly does Sanji go from getting neg-diffed by Doflamingo and breaking his leg on Vergo to beating Queen? Oda explained it away with Judge's technology but that's not exactly convincing.

 

[ConquistadoR]

He never said "now I can see why you are stronger"

He clearly meant to acknowledge Luffy G4 abilities here and he used the word "How" for this specific reason.

He basically says that "Ok now it makes sense how Cracker was defeated" as soon as he saw Gear 4.
In his mind basically, Gear 4 is a stronger opponent than Cracker.

 

[Reborn]

He basically says that "Ok now it makes sense how Cracker was defeated" as soon as he saw Gear 4.
In his mind basically, Gear 4 is a stronger opponent than Cracker.

And that is his acknowledgement of G4 version.

Definitely he thinks G4 is strong enough to take down cracker and he is making that statement in hindsight but he isn't aware of difficulty and struggle luffy went through to beat cracker.

He isn't aware that luffy needed his own break in between and different version to beat cracker so kata statement can't be taken as truth when the speaker is ignorant of reality

 

[Franosuke]

They suck balls.

 

[ConquistadoR]

Definitely he thinks G4 is strong enough to take down cracker and he is making that statement in hindsight but he isn't aware of difficulty and struggle luffy went through to beat cracker.

He isn't aware that luffy needed his own break in between and different version to beat cracker so kata statement can't be taken as truth when the speaker is ignorant of reality

Which is the point.
Kata saying so basically means Gear 4 is a stronger opponent than Cracker and Cracker merely had an upper hand because of how abilities matched up.
Luffy's Gear 4 was timelimited but was 2 shotting his biscuits and Cracker can survive 30 minutes.
Send in someone like Law and he won't need 30 minutes to expose Cracker.
And Gear 4 > Law.

Oda didn't write that in for nothing, bro.

 

[Sugoi]

commanders were fine, the problem was with the strawhat's power creep.

How exactly does Sanji go from getting neg-diffed by Doflamingo and breaking his leg on Vergo to beating Queen? Oda explained it away with Judge's technology but that's not exactly convincing.

he wasn't beaten by doflamingo, exaggerating a power difference which was never there. Yc2 arent even meant to be that much stronger than doflamingo anyway, and sanji got a powerup to defeat queen

 

[Reborn]

Which is the point.
Kata saying so basically means Gear 4 is a stronger opponent than Cracker and Cracker merely had an upper hand because of how abilities matched up.
Luffy's Gear 4 was timelimited but was 2 shotting his biscuits and Cracker can survive 30 minutes.
Send in someone like Law and he won't need 30 minutes to expose Cracker.
And Gear 4 > Law.

Oda didn't write that in for nothing, bro.

Abilities mismatch is part and parcel of df world.

One will gain hand and other will be at disadvantage simply because of df difference like fire over ice.

So, you can't exclude this aspect to make a case.

If luffy would have lost then he wouldn't have made an excuse - I lost because of mismatch. He lost because he wasn't upto the mark.


So, G4 boundman failed because it wasn't upto the mark to beat cracker. That's why Luffy filled himself and used Tank man - special version which he didn't use again. Used one time only and just for cracker.

Kata statement thus can't be taken at face value because he is making that statement in hindsight and without knowing what went through

 

[ConquistadoR]

Kata statement thus can't be taken at face value because he is making that statement in hindsight and without knowing what went through

It is because you are still considering it as "Kata's statement" alone and aren't wondering about why Oda added that line in there, so long after Cracker's fight.

 

[Reborn]

It is because you are still considering it as "Kata's statement" alone and aren't wondering about why Oda added that line in there, so long after Cracker's fight.

I already noted that.

Boundman was indeed strong enough to overcome CoA of Cracker and beat Biscuit soldiers. And, oda simply highlighted this


It's limitation of Boundman and Cracker having some df advantage or you can say match up advantage which puts luffy in bind.

But my point is you can't exclude these aspects from a fight. You can't exclude these match up advantages in a df verse to reach to different conclusion.

P.S - I don't think cracker is stronger than Doffy.. I see them at par but I do see that oda did treat cracker a bit specially unlike many of the YCs we have seen

 

[Herrera95]

Overall they are good.

So far the only one that exceeded my expectations would be King and Vista.

King mostly because of his Lunarian DNA that makes him tougher than Kaido.
Vista for stalling Mihawk which makes him 100% top tier.

The ones who were disappointment are Smoothie, Benn Beckman and maybe Marco.

Smoothie because she didn't a shit until now. So she may change that.
Benn Beckman because similar to Smoothie he didn't a shit besides soloing a much weaker Kidd's crew and taking his arm.
Marco because he couldn't do shit against Queen. I understand him stalling them and not harming King but at least Queen should have being harmed by him but it doesn't seem to be the case.

 

[Oliver]

he wasn't beaten by doflamingo

Yeah you're right 'beaten' implies it was a fight, when in reality Doflamingo bitch slapped sanji like a disobedient whore. He went from being trashed on that level to beating queen, terrible writing.

 

[Mr.Baj1o]

Exceeded my expectations:
Katakuri, King, Vista.

Met expectations:
Marco, Queen, Jozu, Cracker.

Disappointments:
Jack, Smoothie, Snack.

I didn't count the RHP and BBP because we haven't seen them doing much.

So overall, most Commanders met/exceeded my expectations with some being an exception of being Lols.

This is spot on

 

[Shiroyru]

Nah Cracker is crap.
He aint special.

Doffy fans have Cracker PTSD lol

 

[Juanpiz]

Yeah you're right 'beaten' implies it was a fight, when in reality Doflamingo bitch slapped sanji like a disobedient whore. He went from being trashed on that level to beating queen, terrible writing.

Remember that scene.. Doffy didn't even care about sanjis kick lol

 

[Shiroyru]

Which is the point.
Kata saying so basically means Gear 4 is a stronger opponent than Cracker and Cracker merely had an upper hand because of how abilities matched up.
Luffy's Gear 4 was timelimited but was 2 shotting his biscuits and Cracker can survive 30 minutes.
Send in someone like Law and he won't need 30 minutes to expose Cracker.
And Gear 4 > Law.

Oda didn't write that in for nothing, bro.

The “Cracker had a matchup advantage!” cope is so ridiculous. Not only did Cracker have no matchup advantage whatsoever, it was actually Luffy who had the matchup advantage since he’s capable of eating basically endlessly

 

[U c 4 up da idly]

Doffy fans have Cracker PTSD lol

Doffy fans are no different than mihawk ~ Vista fans, one out of context scene that happened a decade ago to gas up Doffy 💀

 

[Juanpiz]

The “Cracker had a matchup advantage!” cope is so ridiculous. Not only did Cracker have no matchup advantage whatsoever, it was actually Luffy who had the matchup advantage since he’s capable of eating basically endlessly

+Nami

 

[Zaretball]

They are ok, apart from Kata they aren't really important characters after all.