Future Events POLL: Is the Zoro vs King fight good or bad for Zoro

Will Zoro vs King fight be good for Zoro?


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nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#81
Dude, you're putting way too much emotion into a manga.

Luffy is the main character and has always been the strongest SH by default.

Ever thought of why Luffy always fights the by far strongest opponents each arc, while Zoro gets the way weaker #2?

It's not because the SHs follow a certain rule that only the captain gets to fight the big bad. This would be ridiculous in the case Zoro was indeed stronger. It's simply because Luffy is simply the strongest SH and best fit to fight them.
I truly think that you are wrong about it.
Luffy, the main character, has never been about being the strongest, his goals and strengths lie elsewhere.
Zoro, the MC_2, is a character created with a single purpose, to be the strongest and to protect MC_1. Hakai rings a bell?

Ever thought that there are no 2 bosses per arc and that MC gets the honor because of that?
Ever realized that those "way weaker #2's" are bad match-ups for Luffy and he cant beat them?
Zoro is indeed stronger and would humiliate 90% of those characters that Luffy ends up fighting. Hody rings a bell?

Was the great adventurer Roger stronger than WSM Whitebeard? No.
Was the Yonko with the greatest influence Big Mom stronger than WSC Kaido? No.
Will the next greatest pirate of the era Shanks be stronger than WSS Mihawk? No.
Will the future greatest pirate Luffy be stronger than future strongest character Zoro? Take a hint from the answers above.
The greatest and the strongest have always been 2 different characters.
 
#82
I truly think that you are wrong about it.
Luffy, the main character, has never been about being the strongest, his goals and strengths lie elsewhere.
Zoro, the MC_2, is a character created with a single purpose, to be the strongest and to protect MC_1. Hakai rings a bell?

Ever thought that there are no 2 bosses per arc and that MC gets the honor because of that?
Ever realized that those "way weaker #2's" are bad match-ups for Luffy and he cant beat them?
Zoro is indeed stronger and would humiliate 90% of those characters that Luffy ends up fighting. Hody rings a bell?

Was the great adventurer Roger stronger than WSM Whitebeard? No.
Was the Yonko with the greatest influence Big Mom stronger than WSC Kaido? No.
Will the next greatest pirate of the era Shanks be stronger than WSS Mihawk? No.
Will the future greatest pirate Luffy be stronger than future strongest character Zoro? Take a hint from the answers above.
The greatest and the strongest have always been 2 different characters.

Very well stated my brother
 
#86
Very well stated my brother
Dude it's complete nonsense lmao.

What kind of bs whataboutism are those points about BM & Co. even?

Anyone with two braincells can see that he completely dodged my analysis, because he simply didn't have any arguments.

Like I said, just answer this one question without coming up with bullshit whataboutism:

If Zoro was indeed stronger than Luffy, why is it that everyone always puts everything on Luffy's shoulder each arc (he is the one that has to defeat the by far strongest enemies each arc), while Zoro always gets the much weaker opponents and still has to give it all?
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#87
If Zoro was indeed stronger than Luffy, why is it that everyone always puts everything on Luffy's shoulder each arc (he is the one that has to defeat the by far strongest enemies each arc), while Zoro always gets the much weaker opponents and still has to give it all?
Why is it when both Luffy and Zoro face the strongest in the world, Zoro performs thousands of time better than the mighty Luffy who always fights the strongest enemies each arc? :cheers:
 
#88
Why is it when both Luffy and Zoro face the strongest in the world, Zoro performs thousands of time better than the mighty Luffy who always fights the strongest enemies each arc? :cheers:
Honest question: How on earth can anyone come to the conclusion that Zoro fared better?

At first he attacked Kaido's neck together with Killer, which only made Kaido chuckle.

Then he tried one big hitting move, but Kaido easily dodged it.

Now we come to his biggest achievement: He blocked that one combined attack from BM and Kaido for a second. That was a great moment for him, yes, we have to be fair.

But we go on: His by far strongest move (Asura) was a nice blindside hit, but it really didn't bother Kaido that much either. He was totally fine and fighting the very next chapter.

Those were all of Zoro's scenes against Kaido.

After that Zoro was completely out of the picture until he got roids this chapter btw.

So where on earth should that be "thousands of times better" than Luffy, who actually stood his ground in a real 1-vs-1 battle for quite some time and got several clear hits in, which also made Kaido cough up blood multiple times?

:nicagesmile:


And now once again, since you only came around with whataboutism (like I predicted) and had no answer to the original question:

If Zoro was indeed stronger than Luffy, why is it that everyone always puts everything on Luffy's shoulder each arc (he is the one that has to defeat the by far strongest enemies each arc), while Zoro always gets the much weaker opponents and still has to give it all?
 
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Akagaminoproduction

#90
Honest question:

If Zoro was indeed stronger than Luffy, why is it that everyone always puts everything on Luffy's shoulder each arc (he is the one that has to defeat the by far strongest enemies each arc), while Zoro always gets the much weaker opponents and still has to give it all?
Who wants to be PK?? Zoro or Luffy?? Zoro only needs to become strongest and fight.... while luffy needs to travel and get nakama for all the shit of poneyglyph... marine fights and all....
Akagami also left luffy with a lot of tasks to handle.... that doesn't mean akagami << 8 year old luffy
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#91
Honest question: How on earth can anyone come to the conclusion that Zoro fared better?
At first he attacked Kaido's neck together with Killer, which only made Kaido chuckle.
Then he tried one big hitting move, but Kaido easily dodged it.
Now we come to his biggest achievement: He blocked that one combined attack from BM and Kaido for a second. That was a great moment for him, yes, we have to be fair.

But we go on: His by far strongest move (Asura) was a nice blindside hit, but it really didn't bother Kaido that much either. He was totally fine and fighting the very next chapter.
Those were all of Zoro's scenes against Kaido.
After that Zoro was completely out of the picture until he got roids this chapter btw.

So where on earth should that be "thousands of times better" than Luffy, who actually stood his ground in a real 1-vs-1 battle for quite some time and got several clear hits in, which also made Kaido cough up blood multiple times?

:nicagesmile:


And now once again, since you only came around with whataboutism (like I predicted) and had no answer to the original question:

If Zoro was indeed stronger than Luffy, why is it that everyone always puts everything on Luffy's shoulder each arc (he is the one that has to defeat the by far strongest enemies each arc), while Zoro always gets the much weaker opponents and still has to give it all?
A better question is how can anyone say that he didnt after seeing it with their own eyes? Only trolls I guess.
Zoro's first attack on Kaido made him chuckle? Do you remember what Luffy's first attack did to Kaido back in Kuri? Nothing.
Kaido didnt dodge - Zoro "missed". Doesnt matter which form of Kaido you pick, Zoro is shown as superior.
If it is base form, Zoro is the one who ends up hitting Kaido while Kaido fails to hit Zoro.
If it is dragon form, it is Zoro who bests Kaido in dragon twisters and cuts him clean, not the other way around.
If it is hybrid form, Zoro is the one who bests Kaido and rips his chest open.

As you see, regardless of the form, the portrayal favors Zoro over Kaido, every single time.
Now, let us see the portrayal between 3 Kaido's forms and Luffy:
In Kuri he KOes him, on rooftop he almost KOes him.
In dragon form, he ends up eating him.
In hybrid form, he KOes him two times... As you can see, regardless of the form, Kaido gets the best of Luffy.

I can clearly tell that you are butthurt about it the moment you call Asura a blindside hit while Zoro literally called Kaido out into CQC.
You were cool and chill before, because you probably dismissed all we said as "nonsense of the Zoro fanboys" but from the moment our nonsense got backed up by Oda himself, you became butthurt and are bitter ever since. A changed man so to say. I thought OEKaneki would be the most butthurt one but you are beating him easily, probably because he still is dismissing it and living in fantasy but his denial has an expiry date too.

What did Luffy do? Where is that 1vs1? The off paneled thing? lol even Yamato can last in off panel, longer than Luffy btw.
He made him bleed? An amazing achievement, on par with Scabbards, actually worse since they didnt skip the hard exterior to make him bleed.

Why is it that Zoro is the one who is facing island buster from not one but two Emperors and protecting his "stronger" captain instead of the "stronger" captain protecting the "weak" Zoro? Do you realize that nobody ever will have such a feat? And Zoro is the only one who could have done something about it, not your boy Luffy.

Considering how much of a big deal the story made giving Kaido a scar, what Asura did to Kaido is far more than anyone else in the world did, including Luffy, Shanks and Big Mom who recently fought Kaido. What Asura did to him actually is the biggest achievement by far, not only did it give his body 2nd ever permanent scar but it also made him show first signs of exhaustion in the whole battle. Zoro did with 3 hits more than what Luffy did with, give or take, 53 hits. Can you even grasp how big of a difference among them there is?

I already answered your question, if Luffy was better than Zoro, he would perform better than Zoro against Kaido and yet, it is Zoro who protects and carries Luffy's ass, not the other way around. Another sign of butthurtness is saying that Zoro gives his all while he actually mid to high diffs his opponents while Luffy almost dies trying... Zoro neg diffed Hody while Luffy almost died, literally...
Why is Zoro tasked with pushing the Birdcage instead of going to low diff Doflamingo?

You no longer can dismiss it as nonsense because Zoro's feats, both offensive(scaring Kaido) and defensive(facing Hakai) are never going to be surpassed by Luffy. He simply doesnt play in Zoro's league, which is in line with what I was saying, Zoro is supposed to be the strongest character ever, not Luffy and it is time to accept that. Literally ask yourself what Zoro's purpose is lol and you will realize it.
 
#92
Honest question: How on earth can anyone come to the conclusion that Zoro fared better?

At first he attacked Kaido's neck together with Killer, which only made Kaido chuckle.

Then he tried one big hitting move, but Kaido easily dodged it.

Now we come to his biggest achievement: He blocked that one combined attack from BM and Kaido for a second. That was a great moment for him, yes, we have to be fair.

But we go on: His by far strongest move (Asura) was a nice blindside hit, but it really didn't bother Kaido that much either. He was totally fine and fighting the very next chapter.

Those were all of Zoro's scenes against Kaido.

After that Zoro was completely out of the picture until he got roids this chapter btw.

So where on earth should that be "thousands of times better" than Luffy, who actually stood his ground in a real 1-vs-1 battle for quite some time and got several clear hits in, which also made Kaido cough up blood multiple times?

:nicagesmile:


And now once again, since you only came around with whataboutism (like I predicted) and had no answer to the original question:

If Zoro was indeed stronger than Luffy, why is it that everyone always puts everything on Luffy's shoulder each arc (he is the one that has to defeat the by far strongest enemies each arc), while Zoro always gets the much weaker opponents and still has to give it all?
This is what gets me the most. People completely ignore that Luffy fought Kaido for an extended period of time, in his base, while Kaido was in hybrid.

The Ashura argument is the most nonsensical thing I've heard of. It'd be like if G4 only lasted 5 seconds, Luffy goes into it, breaks Kaidos ribs, and then deflates and passes out. Nobody would go nuts over that and make ridiculous claims like Luffy was a top tier because of that. But apparently Zoro busting out his strongest attack, just to last 5 seconds against Kaido is supposed to solidify him as a Top Tier. What's a 5 second attack going to do if he attempted to 1v1 Kaido? Prolong Zoros defeat for 5 seconds. That's it.
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#96
This is what gets me the most. People completely ignore that Luffy fought Kaido for an extended period of time, in his base, while Kaido was in hybrid.

The Ashura argument is the most nonsensical thing I've heard of. It'd be like if G4 only lasted 5 seconds, Luffy goes into it, breaks Kaidos ribs, and then deflates and passes out. Nobody would go nuts over that and make ridiculous claims like Luffy was a top tier because of that. But apparently Zoro busting out his strongest attack, just to last 5 seconds against Kaido is supposed to solidify him as a Top Tier. What's a 5 second attack going to do if he attempted to 1v1 Kaido? Prolong Zoros defeat for 5 seconds. That's it.
Such an amazing achievement that it is outdone by Yamato, lmao.

Because Zoro can end people in one clean hit while Luffy cant.
That's why it is a big deal for Zoro to slash the WSC with his Asura while it is of no importance that Luffy lands a clean hit.
People dont have Kaido's body to survive Zoro's Asura while they arent bothered by Luffy's hits.
You will see what a 5 second attack is going to do to Kaido when he ends up killing him.
 
Who wants to be PK?? Zoro or Luffy?? Zoro only needs to become strongest and fight.... while luffy needs to travel and get nakama for all the shit of poneyglyph... marine fights and all....
Akagami also left luffy with a lot of tasks to handle.... that doesn't mean akagami << 8 year old luffy
Wow, another one with only ridiculous whataboutism arguments.

What does Shanks have to do with Zoro?

He was Luffy's idol, but the business of the SH pirates doesn't concern him.

Zoro on the other hand is a direct member of the crew and everytime they face an evil organization he gets to fight the second strongest guy and not the by far stronger main villain.

So you either want to say the SHs are completely braindead by lining up Luffy against the strongest dude and Zoro against one of his minions every single time, or you simply accept the fact that while Zoro is close to Luffy in strength he will never be above him.

Simple shonen rule.
 
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