Future Events POLL: Is the Zoro vs King fight good or bad for Zoro

[Finalbeta]

@dirtyLarry What does it take for you to realize that Zoro is stronger?
Killing Kaido?
Proclaimed strongest in the world?
Beating Luffy?
Something else?

His arguments are simply illogical.

Zoro is not grouped against the strongest enemy each time simply in that Oda has to make Luffy steal the spotlight.

This doesn't necessarily implicate that Zoro cannot stand on that level of potency or even better. It's just a Shonen peculiarity to have things work out that way spotlight wise.

Just like Luffy will probably contribute in striking down Kaido but this doesn't implicate he will necessarily be the only one. Perhaps Luffy will land the decisive strike that defeats Kaido and Zoro the decisive strike that kills Kaido.

Luffy will still likely solo Big Mom in another arc to balance things out again and the fairy tale continues, meanwhile Zoro remaining that potent.

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

Such an amazing achievement that it is outdone by Yamato, lmao.

Because Zoro can end people in one clean hit while Luffy cant.
That's why it is a big deal for Zoro to slash the WSC with his Asura while it is of no importance that Luffy lands a clean hit.
People dont have Kaido's body to survive Zoro's Asura while they arent bothered by Luffy's hits.
You will see what a 5 second attack is going to do to Kaido when he ends up killing him.

Lol if you think Kaido is going at his own daughter with his full strength.....

And what does it matter that "Zoro can end fights in one hit", Lol? He didn't end Kaido in one hit, now did he? He didn't even slow Kaido down with his absolute strongest attack, which only allowed him to stand against Kaido for 5 seconds. That far from makes him a Top Tier. Not even close to be honest. Come back when Zoro actually fights in a 1 v 1 with a Top Tier and holds his own for an elongated amount of time.

 

[Zowo]

If he defeats King a yc1, how he can't be above other (weaker) YC all this time ? A solid yc1 after rooftop, apoo and before zkk is not a fanservice also? Lol and except if it's an extreme diff, that mean Zoro was above them all this time.

Imagine thinking Zoro will jump from t6 lvl to above yc1 lvl like that

Buddy belives zoro doesnt have coc he aint worth a word
Doodle

 

[Jew D. Boy]

Good and bad are too subjective; it’s good that Zoro’s facing the top fighter under Kaido, but it’s bad if it means that he doesn’t get to face the Yonko again, both of which are based solely off my feelings about the guy. In a narrative sense, this is just following the same pattern that was established back during Buggy’s arc, so it’s a reasonable choice even if it’s too safe for my taste.

 

[nik87]

That far from makes him a Top Tier.

You still dont get it, huh? What are all others, who dont have Kaido's body, going to do about those 5 seconds? :yasu:
And do you really think Zoro cant end them with his other moves that dont require Asura? :yasu:

Come back when Zoro actually fights in a 1 v 1 with a Top Tier and holds his own for an elongated amount of time.

The time you can last is literally irrelevant. Once Zoro bests you and hits you cleanly, consider yourself eliminated.
Do you know why Cracker and Katakuri lasted 11 hours? Because Luffy is that bad. Zoro would end them in 15 minutes or less. :yasu:

Lol if you think Kaido is going at his own daughter with his full strength.....

Did he or did he not, coat his club with CoC against Yamato, just as he had done against the rooftop 5? :yasu:
Once again, the time you can last against Kaido in off panel is irrelevant, it is irrelevant in on panel as well.
Zoro isnt playing the game of lasting long but the game of achieving a clean hit and he has 0 issues doing that.

His arguments are simply illogical.

His problem is that he completely rejects the possibility that Zoro is stronger than Luffy, rather common among Luffy fans.

 

[Roronoa W. Zoro]

I’ve said once and I’ll say it again:

King is the perfect opponent for Marco.

Ain’t no zoro fans hype about this fight because what are we gonna get from this fight that we ain’t already seen? Nothing. Just some more feats but King is ultimately just a roadblock for a more interesting threat.

 

[Akagaminoproduction]

Probably bzcause I dont believe that Beckmann is equal to Shanks
Sure it won't be a gap like Linlin Kata or Kaido King but not close either
Losing what ? You just prove that no crew have a captain weaker than one of his mates.
The closest is a Beckman/Shanks relation.

You have been saying number 2/ zoro's opponents are much weaker since that is how the structure is made... now you have a crew of almost equal still you gonna tell me how zoro's opponent much weaker??? point was much weaker.... luffy god and zoro trash.... now I give no.2 as good no. 1 so you are telling me beliefs

I read. You didn't understand my reply
Why will I ask this to Oda. He never said Zoro is stronger
So he will just answer that Luffy is stronger hence he have the strongest opponents.
I don't need to ask something obvious. His answer will be the more you are strong the more your opponents will be strong.

Oda never said weaker too??? btw why are zoro's feat better than stronger MC?? maybe ask oda maybe create an ODA in your mind

Zoro wasn't in a good shape either.
It's just normal that against an opponent at least twice stronger Luffy is more exhausted.

Ohh so kaku is at max half of lucci?? man I am seriously done with DBZ power level fan who have 9000 stupidity level. so kaku getting DF is irrelevant and he being a swordsman is trash. All hail to punching power.

It just to show you that Luffy's oppinents are in a different league. But wgy are they in a different League ?
What's the matter of making them so stronge comparing to Zoro's one and other crew members.

OHHHH next level.... VA or admiral level??? Unlike luffy zoro was one step away from grave and his opponent didn't show his back to him. After doriki shit Oda went on to give Kaku swords and a DF yet we got a mid diff at max.... High/Extreme diff was at arabasta........ but here Lucci = 10 Kaku happy???
Now go be happy luffy boi when you cant do even basic logic things...

 

[RiShin]

Good for Zoro because he can improve in the battle and actually fight a strong swordsman post timeskup. If Zoro does end up using Ashura to defeat King. It will just solidify that Kaido >>> King and Luffy G4 moves will be >> Ashura because Luffy going to knock out Kaido.

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

You still dont get it, huh? What are all others, who dont have Kaido's body, going to do about those 5 seconds? :yasu:
And do you really think Zoro cant end them with his other moves that dont require Asura? :yasu:

The time you can last is literally irrelevant. Once Zoro bests you and hits you cleanly, consider yourself eliminated.
Do you know why Cracker and Katakuri lasted 11 hours? Because Luffy is that bad. Zoro would end them in 15 minutes or less. :yasu:

Did he or did he not, coat his club with CoC against Yamato, just as he had done against the rooftop 5? :yasu:
Once again, the time you can last against Kaido in off panel is irrelevant, it is irrelevant in on panel as well.
Zoro isnt playing the game of lasting long but the game of achieving a clean hit and he has 0 issues doing that.


His problem is that he completely rejects the possibility that Zoro is stronger than Luffy, rather common among Luffy fans.

Please, Zoro used a Hakied up Purgatory Oni Giri on Killer, who wasn't using Haki of his own to defend himself, and the most he could manage was to knock him out. Had Killer defended with Haki, he wouldn't even have gone down like that. That's what you don't seem to get. Yeah, not everyone has a body like Kaido, but Haki exists. Zoro's low end Haki attacks would do absolutely nothing against someone who is proficient in Armament Haki, if his low end Haki attacks can only manage to ko someone not using Haki at all.

Lmao @ Zoro would end Katakuri and Cracker in 15 minutes or less. Show me a single panel of Zoro cutting through the Haki that is on the caliber of either of them two. I won't wait because you can't. And also, show me anything that even remotely suggests Zoro can do anything against Katakuri's future sight. I won't wait on that one either, because you can't. You'll just reply with "Zoro is super fast" like that's supposed to prove anything.

 

[nik87]

Please, Zoro used a Hakied up Purgatory Oni Giri on Killer, who wasn't using Haki of his own to defend himself, and the most he could manage was to knock him out. Had Killer defended with Haki, he wouldn't even have gone down like that. That's what you don't seem to get. Yeah, not everyone has a body like Kaido, but Haki exists. Zoro's low end Haki attacks would do absolutely nothing against someone who is proficient in Armament Haki, if his low end Haki attacks can only manage to ko someone not using Haki at all.

Lmao @ Zoro would end Katakuri and Cracker in 15 minutes or less. Show me a single panel of Zoro cutting through the Haki that is on the caliber of either of them two. I won't wait because you can't. And also, show me anything that even remotely suggests Zoro can do anything against Katakuri's future sight. I won't wait on that one either, because you can't. You'll just reply with "Zoro is super fast" like that's supposed to prove anything.

lol, you really dont know what you are talking about... Those people that Zoro "just knocks out" are as good as dead.
Oda is simply not the guy who is flexing and killing off characters that he still needs and plans to re-use.
If Killer defended with Haki, nothing would have changed. That's what you dont get.

Haki, unless it is a haki barrier, doesnt help at all, Pica's FBH plus metal armor werent enough, good luck with Hardening on flesh, lol.
That's only helpful when you are facing someone far inferior, otherwise, never. You really are clueless... Why was Kaku "only knocked out" despite Zoro using his strongest move? :yasu:
You can laugh your ass off all you want, he is about to end someone stronger than Katakuri and Cracker in 15 mins or less.
I cant wait to see your excuses why Luffy needs 11 hours for YCs while Zoro AND SANJI need 15 mins or less.
We all knew Luffy was bad but to the point that Sanji will start humiliating his result, not even I saw this coming, lmao.
I dont know if you realize but Cracker and Katakuri have shit CoA, Luffy is the one who sucks at it.

I can show you Zoro cutting through something that not even current Luffy can put a scratch on and has to skip it. :yasu:
Kaido showed you that FS is literally no issue for him and Kaido was blitzed by Zoro. :yasu:
I never saw anyone asking to be bodied this much in a single post. :cantseeme:

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

lol, you really dont know what you are talking about... Those people that Zoro "just knocks out" are as good as dead.
Oda is simply not the guy who is flexing and killing off characters that he still needs and plans to re-use.
If Killer defended with Haki, nothing would have changed. That's what you dont get.

Haki, unless it is a haki barrier, doesnt help at all, Pica's FBH plus metal armor werent enough, good luck with Hardening on flesh, lol.
That's only helpful when you are facing someone far inferior, otherwise, never. You really are clueless... Why was Kaku "only knocked out" despite Zoro using his strongest move? :yasu:
You can laugh your ass off all you want, he is about to end someone stronger than Katakuri and Cracker in 15 mins or less.
I cant wait to see your excuses why Luffy needs 11 hours for YCs while Zoro AND SANJI need 15 mins or less.
We all knew Luffy was bad but to the point that Sanji will start humiliating his result, not even I saw this coming, lmao.
I dont know if you realize but Cracker and Katakuri have shit CoA, Luffy is the one who sucks at it.

I can show you Zoro cutting through something that not even current Luffy can put a scratch on and has to skip it. :yasu:
Kaido showed you that FS is literally no issue for him and Kaido was blitzed by Zoro. :yasu:
I never saw anyone asking to be bodied this much in a single post. :cantseeme:

You said a whole lot.... And yet didn't say anything relevant, or substantial. Just a ton of nonsense headcannon, gibberish, like I predicted you would. Kudos..

You going to bring the proof like I asked, or just respond again with a bunch of "Lol, get bodied" garbage as usual?

 

[CbShadow]

Zoro fighting King isn't a bad thing doesn't matter how you look at it.

First, we have Zoro rooftopfeats that places him above every alliance member. He outperformed the other supernova. Fighting King doesn't make those feats go away or make it irrelevant.

Second, King has received more hype. His fight with Marco was made it very clear nobody in the alliance is strong enough to defeat King except for Zoro and Luffy. Not even Kid or Law have showed us they're strong enough to defeat King. That places King above Marco and Katakuri.

With that said, Zoro has proven to us he's incredibly strong. If he beats King quickly and low to mid difficult then that proves Zoro is stronger than some believe. If the fight it's over quickly and pushes Zoro to a high difficult level then that proves King is stronger than a lot of people believe.

Honest question: How on earth can anyone come to the conclusion that Zoro fared better?

At first he attacked Kaido's neck together with Killer, which only made Kaido chuckle.

Then he tried one big hitting move, but Kaido easily dodged it.

Now we come to his biggest achievement: He blocked that one combined attack from BM and Kaido for a second. That was a great moment for him, yes, we have to be fair.

But we go on: His by far strongest move (Asura) was a nice blindside hit, but it really didn't bother Kaido that much either. He was totally fine and fighting the very next chapter.

Those were all of Zoro's scenes against Kaido.

After that Zoro was completely out of the picture until he got roids this chapter btw.

So where on earth should that be "thousands of times better" than Luffy, who actually stood his ground in a real 1-vs-1 battle for quite some time and got several clear hits in, which also made Kaido cough up blood multiple times?




And now once again, since you only came around with whataboutism (like I predicted) and had no answer to the original question:

If Zoro was indeed stronger than Luffy, why is it that everyone always puts everything on Luffy's shoulder each arc (he is the one that has to defeat the by far strongest enemies each arc), while Zoro always gets the much weaker opponents and still has to give it all?

Zoro fared better than Luffy because of his strength compared to Luffy's.

Luffy entered the battle swinging hard. He hit Kaido several times yet those attacks caused very little damage. Even after his in battle growth he still couldn't cause any significant damage to Kaido. That showed us it didn't matter how many times Luffy hit Kaido it all amounted to very little.

Compare that to Zoro who even though he didn't defeat Kaido still performed better. His first attack didn't do much damage but it didn't use any blackened haki.

Zoro's Dragon twister countered Kadio's twister, caused him internal and external damage, and saved Luffy. That attack was much more efficient than Luffy's Gatling gun. Not only did it not wear Zoro out like Luffy's attack did, but it caused more damage.

Zoro's flying Dragon blade concerned Big Mom and Kaido. That implies that attack had enough power to scar Kaido. They wouldn't be concerned about that attack if it didn't. You can't say the same for Luffy. If that attack has the potential to scar Kaido than his other high end attacks might be able to do the same. Oda has created that possibility.

Zoro blocked Hakai, a feat only he could achieve. Nobody else was strong enough but it also lets us know Zoro could fight Kaido in a 1v1 battle using that power (barrier haki). It blows my mind how people think Zoro can't use that same power to clash with Kaido yet could a block and tank a much stronger.

Zoro didn't blindside Kaido. He called Kaido out and challenge him to a 1v1. He bested Kaido in the clash. He scarred and caused him to start huffing. That's much more than Luffy ever did, Zoro did it while in poor condition

One of the purpose to having Zoro fight Kaido first was to let us know Zoro was already at YC1 level. Now he's fighting King to gain the power needed to kill Kaido. He still wants to kill Kaido. Fighting King doesn't make that go away.


If you trying to tell people that Zoro didn't perform better than Luffy because he didn't defeat/kill Kaido then you are making yourself look foolish because neither one defeated Kaido. They both lost. They both required help afterwards to return to the battlefield. One just performed much better than the other one and that was Zoro.

Luffy isn't always the strongest. There's been times in the manga that they have been eqan strength. In fact, Luffy has been known to defeat his opponents by either outlasting them by having more willpower. We can see from this Luffy doesn't defeat his opponents all the time because he's stronger than them.

Luffy won't become pirate king by himself. He will need and required help. That's the main theme hat's being pushed throughout the manga.

You asked the question why everything is resting on Luffy shoulders if Zoro is stronger? That is simply. It because he's the captain. During FMI Zoro fought and oneshot Hody. If Oda didn't want Zoro to make Luffy look too bad he could have had Zoro defeat the main villain there and end the arc.

This is what gets me the most. People completely ignore that Luffy fought Kaido for an extended period of time, in his base, while Kaido was in hybrid.

The Ashura argument is the most nonsensical thing I've heard of. It'd be like if G4 only lasted 5 seconds, Luffy goes into it, breaks Kaidos ribs, and then deflates and passes out. Nobody would go nuts over that and make ridiculous claims like Luffy was a top tier because of that. But apparently Zoro busting out his strongest attack, just to last 5 seconds against Kaido is supposed to solidify him as a Top Tier. What's a 5 second attack going to do if he attempted to 1v1 Kaido? Prolong Zoros defeat for 5 seconds. That's it.

Zoro can do the same Luffy did against Kaido in a 1v1 battle using his large haki barrier.

Now you reduce Zoro scarring Kaido's nearly invincible body to the equivalent of breaking a rib. Luffy obtained internal destruction haki to bypass Kaido's body, received an in battle growth yet still hasn't damaged Kaido on the same level as Zoro. But please tell me more about how Zoro scarring, feat only achieved by one other person, isn't impressive.

Who said Zoro can only use asura mode for 5 seconds? Nobody, that is headcannon. We have seen Zoro use asura mode 3 times. The manga has never shown or even hinted it can only be used for a few seconds or once during battle. While the manga made it very clear Zoro's condition was the reason he was only able to use it once for a short amount of time. It's not hard to tell that the reason Oda put Zoro in a poor condition before he he used asura mode was to stop him to using it for lengthy time causing a lot of significant damage to Kaido. He didn't want Zoro to make Luffy look too bad.

 

[Sentry22]

His arguments are simply illogical.

Zoro is not grouped against the strongest enemy each time simply in that Oda has to make Luffy steal the spotlight.

This doesn't necessarily implicate that Zoro cannot stand on that level of potency or even better. It's just a Shonen peculiarity to have things work out that way spotlight wise.

Just like Luffy will probably contribute in striking down Kaido but this doesn't implicate he will necessarily be the only one. Perhaps Luffy will land the decisive strike that defeats Kaido and Zoro the decisive strike that kills Kaido.

Luffy will still likely solo Big Mom in another arc to balance things out again and the fairy tale continues, meanwhile Zoro remaining that potent.

Zoro isn't grouped up with the strongest because he is unable to beat those stronger than himself. Lucci he could not beat at the time. Kaido he could not beat. Doflamingo he could not beat. Crocodile he could not beat. Zoro doesn't have the same potential as Luffy which is why he will be stronger than someone like Mihawk but not necessarily people like WB or Roger.


His attacks are so potent that he couldn't even drop Kaido a tiny bit despite throwing out his strongest attack.
Spotlight or not.

It's a crew hierarchy. Oda himself has stated this in vivre card. Not some random ass number but quite literally saying Zoro is second to Luffy.
The reason why Zoro decided to follow Luffy in the first place is because he is simply stronger than him. Zoro said that he will not follow someone weaker than himself.
These are Zoro's and Oda's own words and if you can't take his words seriously. Than I am sorry but you are just in denial.

 

[Shasha23]

It's a crew hierarchy. Oda himself has stated this in vivre card. Not some random ass number but quite literally saying Zoro is second to Luffy.
The reason why Zoro decided to follow Luffy in the first place is because he is simply stronger than him. Zoro said that he will not follow someone weaker than himself.
These are Zoro's and Oda's own words and if you can't take his words seriously. Than I am sorry but you are just in denial.

im sorry but what?

Zoro never decided to follow Luffy because he was weaker, he followed Luffy because he saved him, period.
Before the vivre card Oda had always stated that Luffy and Zoro were equal, this only changed after the vivre card came out, so before this Luffy and Zoro were always equal.

Those are your words and not Oda's since Oda has never said anything like that.

 

[Sentry22]

im sorry but what?

Zoro never decided to follow Luffy because he was weaker, he followed Luffy because he saved him, period.
Before the vivre card Oda had always stated that Luffy and Zoro were equal, this only changed after the vivre card came out, so before this Luffy and Zoro were always equal.

Those are your words and not Oda's since Oda has never said anything like that.

Oda has never said they were equal.
Where you even getting this from?

Oda outright saying Luffy is stronger than Zoro. Also Zoro himself saying he will not follow someone weaker than himself in fishman Island after Luffy uses Conqueror's.

 

[Shasha23]

Oda has never said they were equal.
Where you even getting this from?

Oda outright saying Luffy is stronger than Zoro. Also Zoro himself saying he will not follow someone weaker than himself in fishman Island after Luffy uses Conqueror's.

My guy i just said it was stated in one of the data books that Luffy and Zoro are equal, its not a lie or head cannon, i even said this was changed by vivre card in 2018 after 22+ years and finaly said Luffy was stronger, if you dont like this facts take it up with Oda!

anyway im on my phone and its a bit hard to find out if it was databook yellow or databook red, the fact is Oda had always say they were equal, deal with it and move on, facts are facts you cant change them even if you dont like them!

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

Zoro fighting King isn't a bad thing doesn't matter how you look at it.

First, we have Zoro rooftopfeats that places him above every alliance member. He outperformed the other supernova. Fighting King doesn't make those feats go away or make it irrelevant.

Second, King has received more hype. His fight with Marco was made it very clear nobody in the alliance is strong enough to defeat King except for Zoro and Luffy. Not even Kid or Law have showed us they're strong enough to defeat King. That places King above Marco and Katakuri.

With that said, Zoro has proven to us he's incredibly strong. If he beats King quickly and low to mid difficult then that proves Zoro is stronger than some believe. If the fight it's over quickly and pushes Zoro to a high difficult level then that proves King is stronger than a lot of people believe.




Zoro fared better than Luffy because of his strength compared to Luffy's.

Luffy entered the battle swinging hard. He hit Kaido several times yet those attacks caused very little damage. Even after his in battle growth he still couldn't cause any significant damage to Kaido. That showed us it didn't matter how many times Luffy hit Kaido it all amounted to very little.

Compare that to Zoro who even though he didn't defeat Kaido still performed better. His first attack didn't do much damage but it didn't use any blackened haki.

Zoro's Dragon twister countered Kadio's twister, caused him internal and external damage, and saved Luffy. That attack was much more efficient than Luffy's Gatling gun. Not only did it not wear Zoro out like Luffy's attack did, but it caused more damage.

Zoro's flying Dragon blade concerned Big Mom and Kaido. That implies that attack had enough power to scar Kaido. They wouldn't be concerned about that attack if it didn't. You can't say the same for Luffy. If that attack has the potential to scar Kaido than his other high end attacks might be able to do the same. Oda has created that possibility.

Zoro blocked Hakai, a feat only he could achieve. Nobody else was strong enough but it also lets us know Zoro could fight Kaido in a 1v1 battle using that power (barrier haki). It blows my mind how people think Zoro can't use that same power to clash with Kaido yet could a block and tank a much stronger.

Zoro didn't blindside Kaido. He called Kaido out and challenge him to a 1v1. He bested Kaido in the clash. He scarred and caused him to start huffing. That's much more than Luffy ever did, Zoro did it while in poor condition

One of the purpose to having Zoro fight Kaido first was to let us know Zoro was already at YC1 level. Now he's fighting King to gain the power needed to kill Kaido. He still wants to kill Kaido. Fighting King doesn't make that go away.


If you trying to tell people that Zoro didn't perform better than Luffy because he didn't defeat/kill Kaido then you are making yourself look foolish because neither one defeated Kaido. They both lost. They both required help afterwards to return to the battlefield. One just performed much better than the other one and that was Zoro.

Luffy isn't always the strongest. There's been times in the manga that they have been eqan strength. In fact, Luffy has been known to defeat his opponents by either outlasting them by having more willpower. We can see from this Luffy doesn't defeat his opponents all the time because he's stronger than them.

Luffy won't become pirate king by himself. He will need and required help. That's the main theme hat's being pushed throughout the manga.

You asked the question why everything is resting on Luffy shoulders if Zoro is stronger? That is simply. It because he's the captain. During FMI Zoro fought and oneshot Hody. If Oda didn't want Zoro to make Luffy look too bad he could have had Zoro defeat the main villain there and end the arc.


Zoro can do the same Luffy did against Kaido in a 1v1 battle using his large haki barrier.

Now you reduce Zoro scarring Kaido's nearly invincible body to the equivalent of breaking a rib. Luffy obtained internal destruction haki to bypass Kaido's body, received an in battle growth yet still hasn't damaged Kaido on the same level as Zoro. But please tell me more about how Zoro scarring, feat only achieved by one other person, isn't impressive.

Who said Zoro can only use asura mode for 5 seconds? Nobody, that is headcannon. We have seen Zoro use asura mode 3 times. The manga has never shown or even hinted it can only be used for a few seconds or once during battle. While the manga made it very clear Zoro's condition was the reason he was only able to use it once for a short amount of time. It's not hard to tell that the reason Oda put Zoro in a poor condition before he he used asura mode was to stop him to using it for lengthy time causing a lot of significant damage to Kaido. He didn't want Zoro to make Luffy look too bad.

That's ridiculous. There is more reason to believe that Zoro CAN ONLY use Asura while in a critical state, than there is in headcannonland that suggests he can use it whenever, but just chooses not to.

He's used it three times. All three times he was heavily injured. And all three times he was only able to use it for a few seconds at a time.

Now present me the evidence that suggests he can use Asura whenever, and for as long as he wants. And while your at it, explain, logically, why Oda would have Zoro not fight at his absolute strongest while everyone is putting their lives on the line while fighting against two Yonko, and the fate of an entire Nation rests on their shoulders.

Don't give me the hypocritical answer that "Oda just doesn't want to make Zoro look better than Luffy" while yall literally try to argue that.... Oda makes Zoro look better than Luffy.

 

[Sentry22]

My guy i just said it was stated in one of the data books that Luffy and Zoro are equal, its not a lie or head cannon, i even said this was changed by vivre card in 2018 after 22+ years and finaly said Luffy was stronger, if you dont like this facts take it up with Oda!

anyway im on my phone and its a bit hard to find out if it was databook yellow or databook red, the fact is Oda had always say they were equal, deal with it and move on, facts are facts you cant change them even if you dont like them!

I do like facts. But you present information from 22+ years ago which is around the start of the series. Then you go on saying Oda always said they were equal which is NOT a fact. Those are two very different things. Updated information is always what people go by. Obviously Luffy's progression has significantly changed over the years especially after acquiring his Gears after the enies lobby arc.

This was when Luffy had just started out his journey. Where as Zoro was already a bounty hunter who was already making a name for himself whilst being recruited by Baroque Works. All this before Luffy had even met him.

 

[M944]

You have been saying number 2/ zoro's opponents are much weaker since that is how the structure is made... now you have a crew of almost equal still you gonna tell me how zoro's opponent much weaker??? point was much weaker

First One isolated case isn't a rule.
Second Zoro didn' t have fought Beckmann and nothing state that SH will fight RHP.
Third Shanks crew member aren't equal. They are just closer in strenght. That's why Marines said the crew is more balanced.
How close they are is still yet to prove.

All East blue opponents of Luffy were stronger than their mates by a huge margin hence Luffy got a bounty at EB Zoro not despite being known before Luffy.

All GL Opponents were too
Crocodile was, Ener was, Lucci was, Moria was and so on...
Back to TS Doffy was
So during 24yrs of publication Zoro didn't get once a better opponent. I mean a real fight.

And as I said Zoro didn't fight Beckmann.

luffy god and zoro trash.... now I give no.2 as good no. 1 so you are telling me beliefs

Dry your tears.

Oda never said weaker too??? btw why are zoro's feat better than stronger MC?? maybe ask oda maybe create an ODA in your mind

I wanted you to use your brain a little and think because the answer his logical but if you really want someone just posted the VivreCard.

Are you happy now ? You have your clear answer from Oda.
Zoro feats aren't better than Luffy's one.
Luffy fought Hybrid Kaido 1vs1 during at least 20min +

Ohh so kaku is at max half of lucci?? man I am seriously done with DBZ power level fan who have 9000 stupidity level

DBZ powerLevel system was made for people like you. People who czn't connects the dots.
We gave them numbers and they are satisfied. Its also one of the most convenient Powersystem as he is really easy. With this kind of system simpletons couldn't have said that Zoro is stronger.
Even if I'm not sure as VivreCard wasn't enough.

so kaku getting DF is irrelevant and he being a swordsman is trash. All hail to punching power.

DF's aren't take into account for Doriki.
So Lucci have still twice Kaku's physical strenght if it didn't increase
Because first a carnivore Zoan is better

Spoiler

Second Lucci had a better DF mastery thus he was even stronger with his DF. Than Kaku could be with his DF.

Like being a brawler require no skill.
Good Kaku is a swordsman but Lucci is a martial artist.
Both require skills.
But as I said Lucci is Rokushiki master none of CP9 members come close to his mastery.
So on top of his double physical strenght he have
A better DF and DF mastery
A better Rokushiki mastery
Seems to me the gap didn't closed but increased.

OHHHH next level.... VA or admiral level??? Unlike luffy zoro was one step away from grave and his opponent didn't show his back to him

Lucci was more damaged after his defeat than Kaku was

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Spoiler

Kaku was fine in VOL 13. Lucci just wake up in Vol. 14

After doriki shit Oda went on to give Kaku swords and a DF yet we got a mid diff at max....

Already answered. Stop crying.

Now go be happy luffy boi when you cant do even basic logic things...

My question was why Zoro have mucj'h weaker opponents than Luffy's one if he is stronger than Luffy
Your answer was ask Oda
You can't talk about Logic
A 5 yrs old kid can answer to that.
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He didn't want Zoro to make Luffy look too bad

Really bad news for ZKK I guess.

 

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First One isolated case isn't a rule.
Second Zoro didn' t have fought Beckmann and nothing state that SH will fight RHP.
Third Shanks crew member aren't equal. They are just closer in strenght. That's why Marines said the crew is more balanced.
How close they are is still yet to prove.

All East blue opponents of Luffy were stronger than their mates by a huge margin hence Luffy got a bounty at EB Zoro not despite being known before Luffy.

All GL Opponents were too
Crocodile was, Ener was, Lucci was, Moria was and so on...
Back to TS Doffy was
So during 24yrs of publication Zoro didn't get once a better opponent. I mean a real fight.

And as I said Zoro didn't fight Beckmann.

Dry your tears.



I wanted you to use your brain a little and think because the answer his logical but if you really want someone just posted the VivreCard.

Are you happy now ? You have your clear answer from Oda.
Zoro feats aren't better than Luffy's one.
Luffy fought Hybrid Kaido 1vs1 during at least 20min +


DBZ powerLevel system was made for people like you. People who czn't connects the dots.
We gave them numbers and they are satisfied. Its also one of the most convenient Powersystem as he is really easy. With this kind of system simpletons couldn't have said that Zoro is stronger.
Even if I'm not sure as VivreCard wasn't enough.

DF's aren't take into account for Doriki.
So Lucci have still twice Kaku's physical strenght if it didn't increase
Because first a carnivore Zoan is better

Spoiler

Second Lucci had a better DF mastery thus he was even stronger with his DF. Than Kaku could be with his DF.

Like being a brawler require no skill.
Good Kaku is a swordsman but Lucci is a martial artist.
Both require skills.
But as I said Lucci is Rokushiki master none of CP9 members come close to his mastery.
So on top of his double physical strenght he have
A better DF and DF mastery
A better Rokushiki mastery
Seems to me the gap didn't closed but increased.


Lucci was more damaged after his defeat than Kaku was

Spoiler

Spoiler

Kaku was fine in VOL 13. Lucci just wake up in Vol. 14

Already answered. Stop crying.


My question was why Zoro have mucj'h weaker opponents than Luffy's one if he is stronger than Luffy
Your answer was ask Oda
You can't talk about Logic
A 5 yrs old kid can answer to that.
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Really bad news for ZKK I guess.

I love how you guys have to bring in vivre cards when manga showed feats....
How many times zoro saved luffy's ass on rooftop??
Who saved luffy from getting eaten?? Or from getting hakaied or from busted to pulp after ragnarok KO.... Luffy legit got huge powerup for CoC coat yet thrown down in sea to die when zoro's not presence .... so Oda gave another powerup VOAT to save his ass with no explanation....

-As per your logic Mihawk fought Don krieg Baratie zoro and fodder at MF so he is now vista level coz he is not getting good opponents....
-A brawler(hand to hand) fighter has to punch harder to be on level of a swordsman... so next time when you tell how 10kaku = Lucci think about that as well... unlike kaku who can use rokushiki and sowrdsmanship to cut buildings down... Lucci was fighting only with rokushiki so obviously
- Again Zoro low/midd diff his opponents so it doesn't represent his strength... its like saying shanks below mountain bandit coz he let him run away from luffy or mihawk is baratie zoro coz he low diffs....
-Last island of East Blue.... Smoker didn't even know why Pirate hunter is fighting against Marines.... let alone bounty... The damage which knocked out luffy cold... zoro wasn't down by it....

Its a waste of time to argue with MC bois coz they always take everything like Naruto where everything was done by MC.... MC will do all the bonding MC do all the fighting MC move all the plot...
Is OP gonna become Naruto??? Considering how Oda trying to pull Sun god Nika and special gum gum properties we might end with naruto.... and when you think about it impacts luffy's character you will realize that's trash direction... powerlevel dont make a character... luffy was never a powerhouse character he always emphasized how he needs other else he doesn't need Sanji coz he can get YC2 level characters.... Luffy never stated to be strongest... One Piece was never about becoming WSM coz then luffy should aim for WB instead of Roger.....
I am done with fan bois man....