if its black flames maybe surt jambe (surtr is Norse for black and they are currently in elbaf
tenma jambe : https://www.tumblr.com/crepes-suzet...o-push-the-point-even-further-in?source=share
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To explain beforehand, "Diable" Jambe is written as 悪魔. This is fairly straightforward, which is "demon". However, "Ifrit" Jambe is written with the kanji majin 魔神. This translates to something like Demon God, or Malevolent God. It depends on the context.
Because of that, I once theorised that maybe Sanji's max power would be named as something "holy" instead of demon again. That is, maybe the next upgrade drops the "evil" (魔) and switches to use the "god/divine" (神) kanji. However, actually there's one specific entity that still keeps the "魔" naming convention, but also not entirely "evil/demonic" and even somewhat associated with "heaven" or "the divine".
It is the Tenma 天魔, the "demon king" who resides in "heaven".
I just can't imagine what the "Jambe" name for this would be called, because that entails a foreign/non-Japanese name (like Diable, Ifrit), and Tenma is something rather specifically Japanese.
The TL;DR of this, if you don't want to read: This is a theory that Sanji will overcome the issues tied to the Germa mods, and he might use it to upgrade his fire later, based on mythology and some history parallels.
I once said that "Imu" may be meant to represent a "dark/evil" sun. The Gorousei represents the 5 inner planets (minus the Earth). Imu as their leader would logically be the "sun". And when Garling replaced Saturn, their theme becomes "days of the week minus Sunday". Because Sunday is the only one not accounted for, thus Imu is very likely the one representing "Sunday". Sunday is often said to be the first day of the week, therefore befitting the "leader", and it also still fits into the Imu = Sun theory.
Now we connect this to the fact that the katakana for I イ and mu ム combined makes the kanji "hotoke" 仏 (Buddha).
There is one very specific story about the Tenma above, making a promise with the sun goddess Amaterasu over objections against Dainichi Nyorai 大日如来 Buddha. This Buddha is described as "primordial sun".
I mean, even in the story the sun goddess does not necessarily hate the Buddha, so you can say this is a bit of a stretch, but the point is that "Tenma" hates "Dainichi", but is in "alliance" with "Amaterasu".
In terms of One Piece, Imu = hotoke (Buddha) = Dainichi. Amaterasu = Nika. And Tenma who is in alliance with Amaterasu = ?
My current thoughts about this is that "Tenma = Germa" in general. There are various aspects of the lore that fits, so it can go various ways.
Obviously anything can fit if you try hard enough, but anyway.
I know it's a throwaway line, but in the picture I put on the top of this post, the Broc Coli king says Germa is god and demon. For the side who paid Germa, they'd be like a saviour god. But for the people who are on the opposing side, it's like being met by a legion of demons (which we saw in the same chapter).
In Buddhism Tenma is a demon who would basically ruin all your efforts for enlightenment, but in other Japanese beliefs he is considered something of a god of prosperity and/or protection. Thus both god and demon.
Not to mention this somewhat fits with "Ifrit", which as I mentioned has the kanji for "demon god" 魔神. Sanji was able to use Ifrit only with the Germa mods active. Especially now that it seems like he can activate it at will, and it doesn't just randomly turn on and off.
Now I admit that this is a bit of overthink, since the Japanese dictionary states that majin 魔神 is simply the Japanese translation of the Djinn from Arabic lore. Ifrit is a djinn, so maybe it's just straightforward translation. At the same time, Oda-sensei loves his puns. He could mean it both ways.
Therefore it's not impossible for Sanji's next power up to utilise the modifications further and have it be named Tenma. Especially because we don't actually know the full extent of the "Stealth Black" modifications. Remember, his invisibility is just the suit. His speed-based "disappearing" technique that he used to run from Queen is something that Niji also can do, so not part of the Stealth Black mods that is tailored just for Sanji.
Tenma sealed his promise to Amaterasu with "magatama", which incidentally looks like the eyes in the Germa skull.
Tenma lives in the 6th level of "heaven", which is the 6th realm in Buddhism (double 6).
Samurai lord Oda Nobunaga, who called himself "Tenma" (or, Dairokuten Maou in full), is described as a ruthless warmonger. Basically similar to Germa's reputation. Plus, considering Oda-sensei's surname is similar to him, I would not be surprised if this figure is someone who sensei gets reminded of from time to time.
(samurai is, like, really popular in Japan and because his reputation has been rehabilitated, "Oda Nobunaga" has won the favourite samurai polls for many years)
The Tenma shrines sometimes has a tengu as it spirit guardian. A tengu is visually very similar to the Garuda.
In the story, Amaterasu promised that she will not come near the Buddha or monks, and in return the Tenma promised he will safeguard her descendants' position as emperor of Japan, and will kill anyone who tries to oppose the emperor. So, as I said in the title, the Tenma is basically the guard dog and attack dog for the sun goddess's descendants.
It fits Sanji, who is one of Luffy's "wings", and Luffy is one of the "Four Emperors". It fits Sanji, because of Ifrit Jambe. It also may fit Germa as a whole, due to the various thematic reasonings mentioned above, but this is far less certain because too much about Germa is unknown.
So if my red string conspiracy is correct, my theory is: 1) Sanji's max power will utilise the Germa mods and it's all fine, or 2) Germa turns good and helps out in the end, or 3) Germa's ancestors were good and they were fighting Imu (possibly helping Nika), or 4) Some form of combination of any of the previous ones, maybe even all of them.
Obviously it all means nothing if I'm wrong, but yeah. I do feel at least option 1 is the most likely because of other lore connections (namely Kamen Rider).
I'll be brief because this is something else entirely, but if you think about it the Germa mods being able to be turned on and off at will is quite literally an Easter Egg of a Kamen Rider "henshin" (transformation).
I keep saying this over and over, but Kamen Rider Black's "suit" is not a suit. That's exoskeleton. When he transforms, he just "activates" the superhuman form that was experimented into him. However, as far as I can tell, when not transformed he's just a normal human with no superpowers.
Meanwhile, his brother who received the same experimentation was also brainwashed into forgetting his humanity, and his "superpower form" is permanent (similar to Sanji's brothers).
Also, just to push the point even further... In some sects of Buddhism, Tenma/Maara is considered the same being as the god called Aizen Myō'ō. Aizen is a god that people pray to for blessings in love and marriage.
So demon on the one hand, but also god of love on the other. Like the mythology fits nicely. I don't know if Oda-sensei would think this far, but it's not entirely impossible.
Aizen Myō'ō is among the most popular and well known deities. The other somewhat relevant deity who is also fairly famous is Fudō Myō'ō. He is a god often depicted as being blue or black and wields the Garuda flame, and I find to be quite interesting, but eh, I think this is overthinking now.
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3. asmodeus jambe : Saint Germain is primarily known as the keeper of the Violet Flame (transmutation/freedom), but he is associated with the Pink Flame as a component of Divine Love
tenma jambe : https://www.tumblr.com/crepes-suzet...o-push-the-point-even-further-in?source=share
"
To explain beforehand, "Diable" Jambe is written as 悪魔. This is fairly straightforward, which is "demon". However, "Ifrit" Jambe is written with the kanji majin 魔神. This translates to something like Demon God, or Malevolent God. It depends on the context.
Because of that, I once theorised that maybe Sanji's max power would be named as something "holy" instead of demon again. That is, maybe the next upgrade drops the "evil" (魔) and switches to use the "god/divine" (神) kanji. However, actually there's one specific entity that still keeps the "魔" naming convention, but also not entirely "evil/demonic" and even somewhat associated with "heaven" or "the divine".
It is the Tenma 天魔, the "demon king" who resides in "heaven".
I just can't imagine what the "Jambe" name for this would be called, because that entails a foreign/non-Japanese name (like Diable, Ifrit), and Tenma is something rather specifically Japanese.
The TL;DR of this, if you don't want to read: This is a theory that Sanji will overcome the issues tied to the Germa mods, and he might use it to upgrade his fire later, based on mythology and some history parallels.
I once said that "Imu" may be meant to represent a "dark/evil" sun. The Gorousei represents the 5 inner planets (minus the Earth). Imu as their leader would logically be the "sun". And when Garling replaced Saturn, their theme becomes "days of the week minus Sunday". Because Sunday is the only one not accounted for, thus Imu is very likely the one representing "Sunday". Sunday is often said to be the first day of the week, therefore befitting the "leader", and it also still fits into the Imu = Sun theory.
Now we connect this to the fact that the katakana for I イ and mu ム combined makes the kanji "hotoke" 仏 (Buddha).
There is one very specific story about the Tenma above, making a promise with the sun goddess Amaterasu over objections against Dainichi Nyorai 大日如来 Buddha. This Buddha is described as "primordial sun".
I mean, even in the story the sun goddess does not necessarily hate the Buddha, so you can say this is a bit of a stretch, but the point is that "Tenma" hates "Dainichi", but is in "alliance" with "Amaterasu".
In terms of One Piece, Imu = hotoke (Buddha) = Dainichi. Amaterasu = Nika. And Tenma who is in alliance with Amaterasu = ?
My current thoughts about this is that "Tenma = Germa" in general. There are various aspects of the lore that fits, so it can go various ways.
Obviously anything can fit if you try hard enough, but anyway.
I know it's a throwaway line, but in the picture I put on the top of this post, the Broc Coli king says Germa is god and demon. For the side who paid Germa, they'd be like a saviour god. But for the people who are on the opposing side, it's like being met by a legion of demons (which we saw in the same chapter).
In Buddhism Tenma is a demon who would basically ruin all your efforts for enlightenment, but in other Japanese beliefs he is considered something of a god of prosperity and/or protection. Thus both god and demon.
Not to mention this somewhat fits with "Ifrit", which as I mentioned has the kanji for "demon god" 魔神. Sanji was able to use Ifrit only with the Germa mods active. Especially now that it seems like he can activate it at will, and it doesn't just randomly turn on and off.
Now I admit that this is a bit of overthink, since the Japanese dictionary states that majin 魔神 is simply the Japanese translation of the Djinn from Arabic lore. Ifrit is a djinn, so maybe it's just straightforward translation. At the same time, Oda-sensei loves his puns. He could mean it both ways.
Therefore it's not impossible for Sanji's next power up to utilise the modifications further and have it be named Tenma. Especially because we don't actually know the full extent of the "Stealth Black" modifications. Remember, his invisibility is just the suit. His speed-based "disappearing" technique that he used to run from Queen is something that Niji also can do, so not part of the Stealth Black mods that is tailored just for Sanji.
Tenma sealed his promise to Amaterasu with "magatama", which incidentally looks like the eyes in the Germa skull.
Tenma lives in the 6th level of "heaven", which is the 6th realm in Buddhism (double 6).
Samurai lord Oda Nobunaga, who called himself "Tenma" (or, Dairokuten Maou in full), is described as a ruthless warmonger. Basically similar to Germa's reputation. Plus, considering Oda-sensei's surname is similar to him, I would not be surprised if this figure is someone who sensei gets reminded of from time to time.
(samurai is, like, really popular in Japan and because his reputation has been rehabilitated, "Oda Nobunaga" has won the favourite samurai polls for many years)
The Tenma shrines sometimes has a tengu as it spirit guardian. A tengu is visually very similar to the Garuda.
In the story, Amaterasu promised that she will not come near the Buddha or monks, and in return the Tenma promised he will safeguard her descendants' position as emperor of Japan, and will kill anyone who tries to oppose the emperor. So, as I said in the title, the Tenma is basically the guard dog and attack dog for the sun goddess's descendants.
It fits Sanji, who is one of Luffy's "wings", and Luffy is one of the "Four Emperors". It fits Sanji, because of Ifrit Jambe. It also may fit Germa as a whole, due to the various thematic reasonings mentioned above, but this is far less certain because too much about Germa is unknown.
So if my red string conspiracy is correct, my theory is: 1) Sanji's max power will utilise the Germa mods and it's all fine, or 2) Germa turns good and helps out in the end, or 3) Germa's ancestors were good and they were fighting Imu (possibly helping Nika), or 4) Some form of combination of any of the previous ones, maybe even all of them.
Obviously it all means nothing if I'm wrong, but yeah. I do feel at least option 1 is the most likely because of other lore connections (namely Kamen Rider).
I'll be brief because this is something else entirely, but if you think about it the Germa mods being able to be turned on and off at will is quite literally an Easter Egg of a Kamen Rider "henshin" (transformation).
I keep saying this over and over, but Kamen Rider Black's "suit" is not a suit. That's exoskeleton. When he transforms, he just "activates" the superhuman form that was experimented into him. However, as far as I can tell, when not transformed he's just a normal human with no superpowers.
Meanwhile, his brother who received the same experimentation was also brainwashed into forgetting his humanity, and his "superpower form" is permanent (similar to Sanji's brothers).
Also, just to push the point even further... In some sects of Buddhism, Tenma/Maara is considered the same being as the god called Aizen Myō'ō. Aizen is a god that people pray to for blessings in love and marriage.
So demon on the one hand, but also god of love on the other. Like the mythology fits nicely. I don't know if Oda-sensei would think this far, but it's not entirely impossible.
Aizen Myō'ō is among the most popular and well known deities. The other somewhat relevant deity who is also fairly famous is Fudō Myō'ō. He is a god often depicted as being blue or black and wields the Garuda flame, and I find to be quite interesting, but eh, I think this is overthinking now.
"
3. asmodeus jambe : Saint Germain is primarily known as the keeper of the Violet Flame (transmutation/freedom), but he is associated with the Pink Flame as a component of Divine Love
- The Violet Flame is often described as a combination of the blue flame (power) and the pink flame (love).
- Asmodeus, the demon is the demon of lust in Christianity but is the name was believed to have been adopted from Aesma Daeva, the demon associated with wrath/rage in Persian belief.
and wrath/rage is an emotion that Sanji commonly shows (and its said that he heats up with his rage
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