General & Others RANT: People's pathetic argument defending the latest chapter

#23
Marine Ford is great arc because of Akainu and Blackbeard action literall. Akainu kill ace whoch he literally shook the real world.
If akainu kill again as we see him again and do crazy stuff. It pretty much fans will call Akainu Show like Dragon ball gt as Goku Time. All villain are useless except akainu. Like gt show which all good guy are useless except goku.
In Akainu show, death are real, just ask Ace.
 
#25
Luffy was actually a good character back then also, he was ready to accept that when facing a warlord level enemy thousands would be dying, and it was the first serious villain.

Now he's the opposite of that
Thats not entirely true, when Momo was crying about Kinemon and Kiku's death, Luffy motivated him to take charge and said this is not the time. Also his speech to Udon prisoners motivated them to fight for Wano risking their lives.
 
#26
I always have seen it like this:
  • If the thing you love the most about One Piece are the strawhats and think the series it at it's best when they are the focus of each arc, then Ennies Lobby is probably the best arc for you. This are the type of people who also always critisize Post-TS, because of lack of focus on the strawhats.
  • If the thing you love the most about One Piece is the world building and you think it is the biggest strength of the series(like me), then Marineford is probably the best arc in your opinion.
In the end it's all subjective.
Hit the nail on the head
Also good thread
Most Godatards reaction to this chapter was “Who else but Oda” lololol

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Thats not entirely true, when Momo was crying about Kinemon and Kiku's death, Luffy motivated him to take charge and said this is not the time. Also his speech to Udon prisoners motivated them to fight for Wano risking their lives.
That’s ass because Vivi is amazing
And Momo is trash
 
#33
Man i still don't like it that Kinemon is still alive. Prior to the Onigashima raid, when Kinemon and the others tried to attack Kaido alone before the Luffy and the rest of the allies arrived, Momo was crying to Kinemon for them to not leave him behind by dying to Kaido. Kinemon responded to Momo that everyone has their moment of where they have to walk the path without any help, Kinemon also told Momo that his father Oden was also the same.

And so (or at least at the time) Kinemon's words became true when he died protecting Momo from Kaido. We even get small collage of flashback of when Kinemon and Momo practiced so hard in pretending to be father and son when in real life they weren't. But Kinemon really did become the father figure that Momonosuke lacked after Oden's death. That was good storytelling.

Kinemon was with Momo in Punk Hazard, he was with Momo in forming the samurai pirate mink alliance in Zou, he was with Momo in Wano in the war to overthrow Kaido.

Then during the raid to onigashima when Kinemon was still on the ship, he even said that he feels like he used up all his luck in his lifetime when the alliance appeared when he thought they wouldn't, and expected to not come out of this war alive.

Then his prediction came true when he was killed by Kaido, or so it seemed at the time. Seeing how much Kinemon struggled to protect momo before he died, beaten and bloodied and desperately trying to stab a broken katana into Kaido's foot-foregoing his honor that a samurai would, it was the one, and also first and only time where i truly felt for Kinemon's character.

Kinemon's death would have had great impact on not only Momo, but also reinforcing the consequences of the retainers of Oden having to shoulder the burden and consequences of him leaving everything until it was too little too late.

Add in the fact that Kinemon was transported 20 years into the future and that his wife Otsuru haven't seen him in 20 years, only for him to die in the final battle against kaido, Kinemon's death could have really left an lasting impact on the Wano Arc and this saga as a whole, maybe even reaching Ace and Whitebeard level's of greatness.

Not to also mention tying into the themes of inherited will, where Kinemon passed down the responsibility of taking down Kaido and Wano's fate onto Luffy, the pirate who he had no trust in the beginning when they first met in Punk Hazard, but by the end of Zou was Kinemon's most important ally.

That theme is also carried through with of Kinemon's and Kanjuro's deaths. Where both are carrying the will of their former masters Oden and Orochi, who they themselves carried the troubled history and burdens of the Kozuki and Kurozumi clans on their shoulders.

But then Oda undid ALL this potential by having Kinemon STILL be alive just because Law didn't attach him properly, when Kaido specifically stabbed Kinemon to not only make sure he's dead as his kabano isn't a lethal weapon, but also as a way in respecting kinemon by having the samurai die by the sword, a respect that he didn't even give for Oden.

Kinemon really should have stayed dead imo, not because i wanted him to, but just because how well Oda set it up. The only good things about Kinmon being alive is Otsuru not becoming a widow and being indebted to Luffy.

Rant over.
 
#34
Every SH will die before reaching to one piece, then brook will find one piece and sees that it can review them :cheers:
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Luffy has more character defining moments with Momo than with Vivi.
Not really...infact one could argue, he has moments which is not luffy.
 

Jew D. Boy

I Can Go Lower
#36
An author who has created dozens of characters on either random whims or those of his editors and clearly has no idea how to reasonably implement them into his story should be foaming at the mouth to slim the roster down…and yet, once again, here we are, suspending our disbelief just a little bit further than before and waiting for Oda to do something he’s repeatedly proven he doesn’t have the balls to do:seriously:
 
#39
Best Dramatic Arc is Arabasta Arc & it's not even close
Best Adventurous Arc is Skypiea Arc & it's a Masterpiece for me
Best Fighting/Action Arc is obviously Marineford Arc (As of yet)
have to add something & to disagree with some of this..
but yeah... wano is very far from being the best war, in fact wano is the worse in some aspect..

- Most dramatic :
Water 7 - Enies Lobby : luffy vs usop, robin i wanna live, merry final voyage & death.. back to back drama
Wano : only yasuie death is good, others are bad (forced drama and repetition of old story)

- Most adventurous :
Skypiea (agree) & imo, probably Zou arc also very adventurous..
Wano : only adventure part is how to get to wano, once u get there nothing feels adventurous anymore..

- Best Fighting / Action (mini scale fight) :
Enies Lobby : luffy vs luci & blueno, zoro vs kaku, sanji vs jabra, nami vs califa, etc.. every fight is well choreographed
Wano : some fight are dragged eternally, yet some fight are forced to end too quickly, many fake KO/death (well.. nothing to say about this LOL) and backing up over and over in short period of time.. No good choreography yet.. except: Bigmom somersault and doing some FF7 Limit Break on Kid.. LOL)

- Best War (wide scale war) :
Marineford (agree) : some fights went offscreen, but it's normal.. there are so many admiral/yonko level characters involved and their ability will destroy wide scale environment, so it's impossible to choreographed every single fight or single duel without interruption..
And also.... Marineford is a RESCUE mission, they go there to SAVE Ace's Life.. (enemy want to take something from protagonist)

Wano : some fight went offscreen (it's also normal) BUT, compared to Marineford, Wano is seriously still lack of big names and wide scale destruction.. And Wano war is opposite of marineford, it's a RAID mission.. they go to war to TAKE DOWN Kaido to restore kozuki clan. (Momo's life at stake ? no.. it's the direct consequences because this time, protagonist want to take something from enemy.. besides momo is free now.. nothing at stake anymore).

If oda really want Wano war outshine Marineford.. i expect Oda should involve more big names and parties into the fight.. and war still far from over, Kaido defeat is just the beginning of the real danger..

My personal head-canon:
- Momo fail to stop onigashima from crash landing, and half of Wano population is dead (thanos-ized)
- CP0 & Marine (including sword) making a move taking advantages of the chaotic situation, successfully kidnap robin, and forced a ROUND 2 war.
- Kurozumi clan still has much more card in their sleeve and probably forced a ROUND 3 war. (They maybe somehow connected to Shiki or Blackbeard)
 
#40
Will say this for the millionth time. Luffy and the straw hats show have went to kano kuni before stepping foot in wano. That was the place in which they should have learned ryou since it seems as though that country also knows some degree of it. Especially with sai using a hardening heel kick that destroys from with in.

The level ups for the straw hats should have mainly happened their or atleast their training should have been their so that when they pop off on wano kuni it would be more realistic in terms of there powerup
 
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