Pre Time Skip Luffy is one of the better shonen mcs, for me, easily above the likes of Naruto/Goku/Ichigo. I'd say, 7/10.
Post Time Skip Luffy is a complete regression and character flanderization. He went from telling Vivi that "people die" to telling Jinbe to "not to die even if he dies". The chosen one tropes also got worse and worse, it was kind of a problem pre time skip but post time skip(Wano in particular) has been full of them. 3/10.
You missed the meaning of regression, when he said this to vivi , he meant that she must be ready to accept sacrifices, but that doesn’t mean to let her friends die ,
Seriously, It is something predictable from a shounen reader like you , but the next time , try to use your brain
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Luffy is the most unique shounen protagonist, he is simple yet complex , iam not surprised that people here doesn’t know the difference between character growth and character development, luffy is surely a well-developed character,
his growth is beyond great , Oda takes his time , luffy has subtle and nuanced growth which makes it beautiful , it is not like the cheap growth in other series where the character changes to another person immediately, luffy’s growth is realistic and beautiful, with staying reckless because this is the core of his character,
it is funny because people doesn’t even notice that at first chapter luffy said he wants to be a great chapter with a great crew , but in dressrosa he said that he don’t want to be a great pirate or person , such a simple and beautiful change , yet most people can’t notice it ,
while luffy before was an anti-hero , now he is caring more for the people of the countries that he saves , you can right a book about luffy
and iam sure that he will reach the 10 in the upcoming arcs
+ it is really funny that people think that luffy will accept being the chosen one , this when i wonder if they ever watched one piece lol
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Not the best fictional character ever, just a little bit below average I would Say.
Luffy is a very simple character, extremely shallow personnality wise. Nothing fancy really. Just a bratt who yells non stop that he is the next Pk, and destroys his ennemies with asspulls/plot armor in a very repetitive / cliché manner. Oda is not investing alot in building his character, he is more invested in PUs lol
Hé is the driver of the story though, we follow Him where he goes, which creates a context to discover much more interesting characters (mainly the villains), some nice deceased characters, and Witness straw hats grow, and know about lore. Thats why I like one piece. Never liked one piece for Luffy in particular, there is nothing to like in him really (there are many interesting characters though in OP, like shanks, wb, Marco, rayleigh...)
You can say shallow when you don’t understand the character lol
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You just gave me instances in pretimeskip which make post look even worse. Logtown he smile and accepted depth which adds depth to his character.
Posttime skip Luffy lacks depth and groth- every arc has examples of this
To be fair all the SHs characters have gotten worse posttime skip, with Oda trying to cast a wide net around useless characters like Momonosuke, Kinemon, and Dressrosa people. Luffy has had the same panel time pre and post time skip and majority of the people agree at how much worse post is than pre.
Can you prove that luffy post time lack depthor growth ?
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Post timeskip 0/10. Pre timeskip 8/10.
Luffy pre timeskip was actually smart, actually competent and thought about the bigger picture. He slapped Vivi and criticised her naïveté, and instantly understood how much Nami had sacrificed because of Arlong, even without listening to her backstory. Pre timeskip Luffy understood that in war, people die. Post timeskip Luffy is an ADHD ball of retardation and Gary Stu levels of plot warping Messianic complex. Can’t understand basic sentences from Franky at FMI and spouts dumbass naive shit like ‘even if you die, don’t die’. Fuck post timeskip Luffy, he’s an absolute clown and an embarrassment to what the character himself used to be.
Do you really blame luffy for a retarded translation?
you are a joke
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People not seeing the difference between pre and post-TS:
Pre-TS Luffy was primarily stimulated to action by personal involvement (friends being hurt/threatened) and/or if someone represented a steep contradiction to his values, values that were shaped through his experiences in his childhood (Shanks, Ace, Sabo).
He did not necessarily, fully represent the hero archetype, but was a mix of different values behaviors that for some part were traditionally heroic (unbending will, freedom) but at the same time was honest and rude, did not fret the big stuff, and was not pretentious, and only cared about what he can do, and not what implications actions might have.
Unlike what den said, no he did not care about the bigger picture, he did not care about your past, your experiences, but only what you mean for himself and what person you are/ have become, or what is shackling you and restricting your freedom, in that sense he was really empathetic. That´s why he does not listen about Nami´s story in AP, or Jinbe´s story about Otohime in FI, he does not listen to Blackbeard´s actions over the 2 years and so forth. And despite that, at the same time, instinctively understood the details and intricacies of his nakama.
Him being so childish and not a strategist was the point, and him changing that to be more mature would be missing the point, just like Kishi initially made a point about hard work vs talent, and then had his protagonist be a genius learner with a magical beast, the strongest of his kind, inside him that gives him power.
Luffy´s experience with Shabondy, ID and Marineford was not to make him change, it was a test and challenge for him not to change, not to lose himself in tragedy, regret and self-pity, but to hold onto strengths and values he personified (determination, unbending will, trust between family/friends).
This all worked very well until Post- FI in my opinion, Fishman Island was still ok in regard to Luffy at least.
Punk Hazard was ok for the most part as well, but both Oda not doing his due diligence to explain why Luffy acts and the "Luffy is our messiah" speeches started. The thing with Brownbeard, Luffy getting angry about him and the children and so forth seemed like a cheap copy of pre-TS behavior without the necessary setup to feel credible and tangible. Luffy acted because he has to act that way for the narrative to progress, and it felt like Oda went through the motions he was used to for the entirety of OP.
And this has been a constant, Dressrosa he tried to do the same thing with Rebecca and Luffy caring about the citizens of Dressrosa for no reason, and now we have Tama once again with the same problem.
With Kinemon and Momo it works better at least because we spend so much time with them, and Luffy has built a relationship with Momo especially.
Add to that the fact that Oda is exaggerating jokes too much with Luffy´s stupidity, and you destroy the impression you have created pre-TS with a protagonist that was able to carry the story on his back.
What do you mean caring about the citizens of dressrosa for no reason , this is the character growth, he felt sorry for those people and used his power to help them , he became more compassionate after ace’s death , and this is good character growth , shounen readers are very shounenish that they think that being a better person is a bad thing lol
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4/10 maybe. He's not (and has never been) the reason I'm reading One Piece, and I have no real investment in his story. I also found him to be a more compelling character preskip.
Furthermore, I think the story is too centred around Luffy to the extent that other characters become mere accessories to him (see Kidd and Law for recent examples). This impoverishes the entire franchise IMO.
It is too centric about luffy because he is a well-written character.
if you can’t understand what the writer is presenting through him then it is your problem
