Chapter Discussion Roger is a complete fraud now?

[Reborn]

Portrayal (if not backed by feats) amounts to nothing after sometime.

Fans need to see feats to connect and make sense out of the portrayal of a character.

Roger influence is massive and it's undeniable not because he was PK but we saw how his act of ushering great pirate era influenced the world.

Portrayal can take you only to some distance... ultimately feats are which cement you in the minds of the fans.

Don't you all call out that Mihawk needs to show feats to justify his WSS title?

Xebec is so well received by the audience is because he's justifying he's the strongest by feats and actions on panel.


Roger and I would say even Dragon needs to do it as well..

 

[Strawhats Bible]

Rogers greatest rival and equal was Xebec's subordinate, that's all you need to know.

Unless Oda creates new characters for Roger to beat or he gets an awesome feat against Imu here powerise he will always fall short from Xebec.

 

[OPKnK]

Portrayal (if not backed by feats) amounts to nothing after sometime.

Fans need to see feats to connect and make sense out of the portrayal of a character.

Roger influence is massive and it's undeniable not because he was PK but we saw how his act of ushering great pirate era influenced the world.

Portrayal can take you only to some distance... ultimately feats are which cement you in the minds of the fans.

Don't you all call out that Mihawk needs to show feats to justify his WSS title?

Xebec is so well received by the audience is because he's justifying he's the strongest by feats and actions on panel.


Roger and I would say even Dragon needs to do it as well..

Fan needing to see stuff is fine by we went threw this with people saying garp weak for a decade plus with the manga saying otherwise.
Then we all saw what happen .
Rock feats mostly off screen if people want to say the manga said rock kill a admrial which is a feat but fully off screen.
Then the manga saying Rock , Roger and Grap clashing for years should tell you how it ranks them .
People can't have it both ways.

 

[sanjikun]

You realize this is a flashback for Rocks and Harald right?

 

[Reborn]

Fan needing to see stuff is fine by we went threw this with people saying garp weak for a decade plus with the manga saying otherwise.
Then we all saw what happen .
Rock feats mostly off screen if people want to say the manga said rock kill a admrial which is a feat but fully off screen.
Then the manga saying Rock , Roger and Grap clashing for years should tell you how it ranks them .
People can't have it both ways.

Rock feats aren't off screened. They are on panel. Rocks fights are off - screened. Big difference.


Also, clashing and rivalry doesn't equate to being equal.

Luffy and kidd are rivals because they are fighting for same goal. But this doesn't mean they are equal in strength

 

[park_min young]

You realize this is a flashback for Rocks and Harald right?

What does that have to do with anything? You realize that this is also the biggest fight of Roger’s life, right? The only flashback left for him is his arrival on Laugh Tale, and that has nothing to do with strength.

Roger will never be as impressive as Xebec at this point, all that will be left is speculation instead of concrete evidence. Xebec has solidified himself with feats, low-diffing top-tiers, twice.

 

[Djordje]

Portrayal (if not backed by feats) amounts to nothing after sometime.

Fans need to see feats to connect and make sense out of the portrayal of a character.

Roger influence is massive and it's undeniable not because he was PK but we saw how his act of ushering great pirate era influenced the world.

Portrayal can take you only to some distance... ultimately feats are which cement you in the minds of the fans.

Don't you all call out that Mihawk needs to show feats to justify his WSS title?

Xebec is so well received by the audience is because he's justifying he's the strongest by feats and actions on panel.


Roger and I would say even Dragon needs to do it as well..

But Roger has feats against Garp and Whitebeard and we know how strong those 2 are based on their own feats , statemens and portrayal. Roger did prove himself .

Roger is pirate king , manga already explained what that meant and how it was accomplished.

Problem is somewhere through time pirate king started to mean king of pirates stronger than everyone. Manga never said that yet people are still coping about there headcanons.

 

[OPKnK]

Rock feats aren't off screened. They are on panel. Rocks fights are off - screened. Big difference.


Also, clashing and rivalry doesn't equate to being equal.

Luffy and kidd are rivals because they are fighting for same goal. But this doesn't mean they are equal in strength

There is no difference with the point i making .
The manga tell us rocks beat up a admiral and he died from blood lost but we don't see any of it .
Roger and Garp talking about how they almost kill each other for years we don't see it .( we see a clash 20 years later )
What is the difference there ?

I agree clashing don't mean your equal but if you doing it for years that changes the context because no one is coming on top .
Also Luffy and Kid being rivals very differnt than roger and rocks.
Luffy and Kid never fought , the manga did not say fought or were close or equal in strength and there goal of being PK is the same.
Roger and Rocks are rivals just because there pirates nothing else because roger does not care about ruling the world so once again the context differnt .
Garp get toss in there and he not even a pirate so there clashing is 100% about strength and once again no one could put the other down.

But Roger has feats against Garp and Whitebeard and we know how strong those 2 are based on their own feats , statemens and portrayal. Roger did prove himself .

Roger is pirate king , manga already explained what that meant and how it was accomplished.

Problem is somewhere through time pirate king started to mean king of pirates stronger than everyone. Manga never said that yet people are still coping about there headcanons.

Yep being PK was never about being the strongest even if roger was a monster .
All these super strong pirates could not do anything simple because of the lack of info.
Roger took near 20 years trying to find laugh tale and then did it in one year when he get Oden that can help get the info he need.

 

[sanjikun]

What does that have to do with anything? You realize that this is also the biggest fight of Roger’s life, right? The only flashback left for him is his arrival on Laugh Tale, and that has nothing to do with strength..

This b.s. about GV being Roger/WB's peaks is so contrived. Give it a rest.

These guys reached their peak when Roger became PK and Whitebeard was actually known as "Whitebeard" and not just Newgate.

all that will be left is speculation instead of concrete evidence. Xebec has solidified himself with feats, low-diffing top-tiers, twice.

He has never "low diffed" anyone, since he was always bruised and panting. And this is speculation 101 because Garling seems like a bitch and we have no idea what happened with Jiaga.

 

[kekaro]

Can prime Roger bros please step up and tell me who after GV Roger defeats and fights to reach prime?

 

[sanjikun]

Can prime Roger bros please step up and tell me who after GV Roger defeats and fights to reach prime?

You really think PK Roger can't beat Garling or some fucking no name Admiral?

Shanks is weaker than Roger and he made an Admiral his bitch without being on the island

Blackbeard is not even at that level yet, and made a Fleet Admiral contender his subordinate.

 

[kekaro]

You really think PK Roger can't beat Garling or some fucking no name Admiral?

Shanks is weaker than Roger and he made an Admiral his bitch without being on the island

So you have no answer thats why you spazzing out, ok

I give you all the time in the world till you come up with a answer tho

 

[sanjikun]

So you have no answer thats why you spazzing out, ok

I give you all the time in the world till you come up with a answer tho

Jackass, we have no Roger flashback. This flashback is about Elbaf and Rocks.

Your argument is basically we've seen more of someone therefore they're >. By that logic Lucci > Dragon, since Dragon has 0 feats.

 

[kekaro]

Jackass, we have no Roger flashback. This flashback is about Elbaf and Rocks.

Your argument is basically we've seen more of someone therefore they're >. By that logic Lucci > Dragon, since Dragon has 0 feats.

I get it the simple question really triggered you but let me give you a tip: We know all the characters existed back than

Im not asking for feats, stop strawmanning because you are mad

Answer the question
Who did roger fight defeat after GV to reach his "Prime"

 

[Djordje]

Only in one piece fapboys will tell you that dudes in 35 did not reach their prime .

 

[Ven437]

Calling Roger the Ace of his generation is diabolical but real

Ppl put him on a pedestal for chasing an island no one had any idea of and only he could bc of VOAT. So desperate he begged a rival for a translator. Never had to beat any great pirate to get OP

 

[Poorsalino Cooker]

He's not a fraud (yet), but Oda really screwed up by making the first two major flashbacks featuring Roger not be about the man himself, the guy who was responsible for all the events in the story... initially. The first flashback was Oden's flashback with Roger in it, while the next is Xebec with Roger in it. Arguably, the Xebec one is better since it feels equal for both characters despite Roger losing the simp war to Rayleigh, while the Oden one was painfully obnoxious in that everyone, including Roger and his whole crew, wouldn't stop fellating Oden, which was something Oda wouldn't stop doing throughout Wano. Oda should've given us a proper Roger solo flashback before that, even if it was one about him starting out in Loguetown with Rayleigh before making Roger the second or third banana in the flashbacks of two other guys. It also doesn't help that Oda made Xebec be what many hoped Roger was gonna be like.

I only hope he's not purposely downgrading Roger to make Joyboy easier to prop up.

 

[Juanpiz]

You really think PK Roger can't beat Garling or some fucking no name Admiral?

Shanks is weaker than Roger and he made an Admiral his bitch without being on the island

Blackbeard is not even at that level yet, and made a Fleet Admiral contender his subordinate.

Right,bb is above

 

[OPKnK]

Can prime Roger bros please step up and tell me who after GV Roger defeats and fights to reach prime?

He keep on fighting other top tiers like WB , Garp etc etc .
In fact we know that after GV that garp train to beat Don Chinjao drill head .
So it not like these people stop trying to improve there self .
After GV we saw that WB and Roger clashing has much bigger effect than now and why would they hold back here at GV with a clash .
This is one piece these people will be as strong and reach there prime at when ever age Oda feel like .
Age won't be factor , do people think WB was at his prime before people even call him WB .

 

[HerreraIsBack]

I can't say he is not a fraud anymore.