Powers & Abilities Roof piece Zoro without Enma

[Screws Loose242]

I've been looking over a few chapters & came with the conclusion that without enma zoro wouldn't have did so well as he did against the yonko's , kaido only made reference to enma not zoro, big mom also, even when zoro use three swords to cut kaido it was only enma that cut not the other two sword, it's a fact zoro needed oden sword to become stronger even zoro knows this now someone prove me wrong

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

It's true. Give Zoro Shusui instead of Enma and Zoro's ass will get mauled.

 

[Formerly Seth]

Wouldn't change much. The only difference here was that Zoro had to limit or unleash his Haki output in the right moment.

So in a way Enma was a handicap to him in this fight since he needed to focus on Enma not sucking his Haki.

 

[Rukusho]

What benefit does Enma provide exactly ?

 

[Formerly Seth]

What benefit does Enma provide exactly ?

None.

It's just a sword that Oden couldn't make black.

That's it.

Oh and it makes you pay more attention to your Haki control so it's basically a handicap in the fight since you must watch out to not let loose too much Haki.

 

[Screws Loose242]

Wouldn't change much. The only difference here was that Zoro had to limit or unleash his Haki output in the right moment.

So in a way Enma was a handicap to him in this fight since he needed to focus on Enma not sucking his Haki.

That's a good point

 

[m0nst3Rx]

This is what going to happen dragon Kaido by shisui's normal swings
RIP the Dragon

Enma fucking nerfed sword sucking ryoru and limiting what he can do lol. oda had to even remove overpowered shisui that toyed with bigass pica with normal swings lmaoooo

and this not enma

Blackblade Shisui >>> Enma
Kaido will get his arm ripped off if zoro hit ashura with blackblade shisui lol. He could even fully tank hakai without a single prob if he had shisui

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[Screws Loose242]

This is what going to happen Kaido by shisui's normal swings
RIP the Dragon

Enma fucking nerfed sword sucking ryoru and limiting what he can do lol. oda had to even remove overpowered shisui that toyed with bigass pica with normal swings lmaoooo

and this not enma

So pica is more durable than kaido & I thought zoro said he need to draw out more power implying that enma wasn't the one in control & taking his haki by force like it did he first time?

http://imgur.com/a/U4xsNhi

 

[stealthblack]

he would pretty much be kamazo without enma.

 

[m0nst3Rx]

So pica is more durable than kaido & I thought zoro said he need to draw out more power implying that enma wasn't the one in control & taking his haki by force like it did he first time?

http://imgur.com/a/U4xsNhi

Every dumb fuck can understand he still didnt master his new sword. Even sandai kitetsu sword had to controlll while fighting with bounty hunters. tf man lol

 

[mly90]

Absolutely nothing changes about Zoro without Enma, he would still have trained himself and gotten the same results and feats with Shusui that is in no way inferior to Enma.

 

[Screws Loose242]

Every dumb fuck can understand he still didnt master his new sword. Even sandai kitetsu sword had to controlll while fighting with bounty hunters lol. tf man lol

Why so salty my friend no need for hostility just prove me wrong

 

[Legendaryconquer#1]

He wouldn't be able to hurt kaido without it.

 

[Roronoa-sama]

It's true. Give Zoro Shusui instead of Enma and Zoro's ass will get mauled.

shusui=one shotting dragon
enma= dragon scare
shusui>>>>>>>>>>>>>>enma

 

[nik87]

I've been looking over a few chapters & came with the conclusion that without enma zoro wouldn't have did so well as he did against the yonko's , kaido only made reference to enma not zoro, big mom also, even when zoro use three swords to cut kaido it was only enma that cut not the other two sword, it's a fact zoro needed oden sword to become stronger even zoro knows this now someone prove me wrong

Only thing left to make this into good bait is you explaining how Enma has anything to do with Asura, blocking and surviving Hakai. :yasu:

 

[KageFumi]

With Shusui Zoro will land that Hiryu Kaen. Already make permanent scar or worst, ya know.. Beheading. ZKK

 

[Finalbeta]

Emma the training tool?

Zoro whilst attempting to tame Enma said: "Give it back to me" obviously referring to his general energy and also haki after his arm had shrunk in size. However I believe it's extensively unlikely that Enma is capable to permanently store these even if the user wished to, and eventually the energy would be converted to another form, and regardless Oden's arms were normal before he died.

Kaido talks about presence, not even haki, and swords are living objects canonically, eventually Enma simply stored his memories, but that has to be proven later on.

Also I believe that the black blade is decidedly not about storing haki in the sword, but eventually render it particularly hard without storing it, since Zoro failed to cut up Monet.

(I mean this is not necessary anymore as Oda outright affirmed how Enma's haki imbued comes from Zoro and it's not that Enma is storing it permanently)

 

[Fn Lucci]

Roof piece without Enma.

Law uses tremendous Room arrangements to buy time. Sits, tilts hat down, and goes to be with the Lord Ashita no Joe style.

Luffy's flaccid body is picked by Kaido as if he were a vulture.

Killer's completely motionless and silent from the second named attack he takes.

Kid clicks and hisses on the ground for half an hour before he stops.

...wait, that's without Zoro. Enma? Enma is just a sword.

 

[U c 4 up da idly]

Denying that enema is a power up , you'd think a cartoon for kids wouldn't be so deep

 

[RobotNinja]

I'll post what I've said in a previous thread regarding this matter.

One of One Piece's MAJOR theme is "Inherited Will". So What is "Will" Its Haki and ones goals and wishes.
So When you mention haki doesn't Store itself into blades like a power battery storage I agree; It doesn't store CoA into the blade from its previous owners but it does carry his Haki "Will"(Desire and Wishes).

Like Oden's "Haki" (Will, Desire, Wishes) through Enma to Slay Kaido or Kuina's through Wado Ichimonji to become the Greatest Swordman. Just like how Luffy carries Roger's "Inherited Will" through the strawhat.

Most of the issues arise from Translations and Terminology issues. Haki in the Japanese Language is a word that describes Many Things. Probably over 10 or more Definitions for that 1 word. When translated it starts getting confusing and it also doesn't carry the same whole meaning that word is suppose to mean in the original language.

Haki can mean Will, Spirit, wishes, desires, and many other things but in the manga it is also applied as an attack with what we know as CoA, CoO, CoC etc... and it get more complicated when Wano and Skypiea and other lands start using different terminology for the similar if not the exact same thing but in different forms.

Oda makes it more confusing when it doesn't really need to be and translations and transliteration makes matters worse.

This is the major problem in my opinion when it comes to "haki" discussions.

Most people don't know what they are talking about when Haki is mentioned or what context or what type of "Haki" is being referred to by the characters in the manga when a characters or objects haki is mentioned in case of Enma.

There a reason why Big Mom and Kaido Lost their shit when Zoro was about to do the same Dragon Slaying Attack Ryuma did.
Enma or Oden's "Will"(not CoA or CoC) was out for Blood that moment.