[FNZ] Role Madness Round 10: Kakegurui
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I just don’t see Light as scum at the moment, but going purely off the numbers, I think he must be...TAC’s forcefulness in voting him right off the bat could be a ploy, although I think he also leans town right now, but I feel like he did so because he learned something unequivocal and can’t claim it here. Not voting just yet.
@Queen You’re still pretty quiet, wanna give your reads or defend yourself from some accusations?
@Queen You’re still pretty quiet, wanna give your reads or defend yourself from some accusations?
Man, as I keep telling you, I am not scum of any kind. If I were I would have killed TAC d1, even if it cost me being lynched.
If I were scum I would have killed TAC off the bat, and then kill Reborn, who is the most experienced player here and probing around mostly. That way I'd secure two of the biggest threats, and fulfill a wish of killing TAC.
I'll tell you what I said earlier as well. TAC cannot have anything on me. Please, think about why I am saying this. I obviously cannot say anymore due to the rules. Note that he's overeager and desperate to lynch me, but as I said earlier he cannot have anything on me.
Take a look back as well. My play is not that of a scum. I pestered TAC about unvoting Cinera. There's zero reasons for me to do that if I were his partner. There would be zero reason for me to kill Nat who agreed with me. Like if I were scum of any kind I'd kill him immediately. That's like 30 percent of why I am even playing this game.
If I were scum I would have killed TAC off the bat, and then kill Reborn, who is the most experienced player here and probing around mostly. That way I'd secure two of the biggest threats, and fulfill a wish of killing TAC.
I'll tell you what I said earlier as well. TAC cannot have anything on me. Please, think about why I am saying this. I obviously cannot say anymore due to the rules. Note that he's overeager and desperate to lynch me, but as I said earlier he cannot have anything on me.
Take a look back as well. My play is not that of a scum. I pestered TAC about unvoting Cinera. There's zero reasons for me to do that if I were his partner. There would be zero reason for me to kill Nat who agreed with me. Like if I were scum of any kind I'd kill him immediately. That's like 30 percent of why I am even playing this game.
This is the only issue I am not able to understand.
I haven't seen vig shooting someone on first two consecutive nights and more so on first night.
Mafia generally have only faction kill.
So that means we have two third party roles that can kill. But that doesn't make sense.
Btw, is their any role that kills people who visit him/her?
Your argument has flaws.
Tac was already getting sussed on day one and on beginning of day two.
Scums don't kill those who are getting sussed.
Also, there was failed attempt to kill on N1 and two such fail attempts on N2.
So how can we be sure that either me or jew wasn't Targeted last night? We can't.
Frankly speaking, I am more interested in queen as of now because her meta is going too off for my liking.
But tac is damn sure that you are scum.
And why you?
If tac is scum then mislynching any townie would work but why only you?
And, a scum pushing a lynch on single townie taking such huge risk of exposing himself doesn't add up. Scum can kill at night so they don't have to push someone lynch so hardly during day.
Are you following why I have vote on you?
As far as final is concerned then he is done deal anyway. His days are over and I can absolutely gurantee you that.
I haven't seen vig shooting someone on first two consecutive nights and more so on first night.
Mafia generally have only faction kill.
So that means we have two third party roles that can kill. But that doesn't make sense.
Btw, is their any role that kills people who visit him/her?
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Your argument has flaws.
Tac was already getting sussed on day one and on beginning of day two.
Scums don't kill those who are getting sussed.
Also, there was failed attempt to kill on N1 and two such fail attempts on N2.
So how can we be sure that either me or jew wasn't Targeted last night? We can't.
Frankly speaking, I am more interested in queen as of now because her meta is going too off for my liking.
But tac is damn sure that you are scum.
And why you?
If tac is scum then mislynching any townie would work but why only you?
And, a scum pushing a lynch on single townie taking such huge risk of exposing himself doesn't add up. Scum can kill at night so they don't have to push someone lynch so hardly during day.
Are you following why I have vote on you?
As far as final is concerned then he is done deal anyway. His days are over and I can absolutely gurantee you that.
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two indie killers or mafia having more than 1 killer would make a 15 players game unbalanced
the most plausible reason for 3 kills in a night would be: mafia, indie killer and vigi
do you think FB is the indie killer?
why you unvoted him so quickly with a bs reason?
@Jew D. Boy and you didn't keep sussing beta after this
expand on that idea
I changed my mind about krog being probably town too, why reborn though?
@Kiwipom is there an executioner in this game?
you mean 2 indie killers? in a 15 players game? explain how that would be possible
this post answers my question above, it doesn't seem convincing though
I already defended myself from the accusations before, it seems there is no new accusations, just my lack of my activity that I already explained before
I would like to hear more from @Light D Lamperouge and @krogothwolf before giving my reads
give me your reads too
the most plausible reason for 3 kills in a night would be: mafia, indie killer and vigi
do you think FB is the indie killer?
why you unvoted him so quickly with a bs reason?
@Jew D. Boy and you didn't keep sussing beta after this
expand on that idea
I changed my mind about krog being probably town too, why reborn though?
@Kiwipom is there an executioner in this game?
you mean 2 indie killers? in a 15 players game? explain how that would be possible
this post answers my question above, it doesn't seem convincing though
I already defended myself from the accusations before, it seems there is no new accusations, just my lack of my activity that I already explained before
I would like to hear more from @Light D Lamperouge and @krogothwolf before giving my reads
give me your reads too
There is very important thing I noticed when I was going through the thread again.
TAC - his behaviour indicate that he has something on light. Now this imply that he is kind of invest role because apart from such roles no other role can be sure that someone is scum.
Now both mafia and Town can have invest role. Third party usually don't have such role.
But look what I noticed......
This is Cinera role
You're Mary Saotome
[Active - Information broker] - Each night she may investigate a player and learn their character name and alignment.
Cinera was mafia with invest role. So I don't think tac is Mafia which I said yesterday itself based on how he was the First one to vote cinera on day one
So now there are two possibilities.
1) tac is third party.
Third party don't have invest roles generally.
And, a third party role won't risk pushing someone lynch so hard because if it turns out to be mislynch then it will expose him badly with no saving him.
2)he is townie
So if we believe tac and that he is some kind of invest role who has some concrete information on light then tac is townie.
Now Queen brought up an interesting point and that is executioner.
Executioner have to Lynch someone for sure to win.
But if I see the game balance of 15 players game...then mafia generally have 3/4 players and they have faction kill.
But apart from this we are getting two kills and I really doubt it's vig doing.
Because vig can't shoot anyone randomly as generally if vig misfires then they will either commit Suicide or will lose their power so until vig is sure that someone is scum they don't shoot at night.
So I doubt vig is trying to kill at night.
Either we have two third party killing roles(if yes and this is Bs) or there is some hidden mechanic which is working over here like" if a player is visted by someone then that visiting player would die"
executioner is a possibility but then having this as well along with three killing at nights is just too damn fukn harsh on us.
Moving on to NW.
Last night NW was killed. If we look at his role then he could distract and prevent someone from taking action.
Two kills failed last night. This means one of the kill was most likely prevented by Neutral watcher.
Now after initial interaction with him, NW later on gave his reads. And to him there were two sus. Look at his post below.
He had sus on queen and marimo.
Imo NW won't block any random person. He will block whom he had strong sus on.
So if we go by his reads then there is at least one scum among queen and marimo.
TAC - his behaviour indicate that he has something on light. Now this imply that he is kind of invest role because apart from such roles no other role can be sure that someone is scum.
Now both mafia and Town can have invest role. Third party usually don't have such role.
But look what I noticed......
This is Cinera role
You're Mary Saotome
[Active - Information broker] - Each night she may investigate a player and learn their character name and alignment.
Cinera was mafia with invest role. So I don't think tac is Mafia which I said yesterday itself based on how he was the First one to vote cinera on day one
So now there are two possibilities.
1) tac is third party.
Third party don't have invest roles generally.
And, a third party role won't risk pushing someone lynch so hard because if it turns out to be mislynch then it will expose him badly with no saving him.
2)he is townie
So if we believe tac and that he is some kind of invest role who has some concrete information on light then tac is townie.
Now Queen brought up an interesting point and that is executioner.
Executioner have to Lynch someone for sure to win.
But if I see the game balance of 15 players game...then mafia generally have 3/4 players and they have faction kill.
But apart from this we are getting two kills and I really doubt it's vig doing.
Because vig can't shoot anyone randomly as generally if vig misfires then they will either commit Suicide or will lose their power so until vig is sure that someone is scum they don't shoot at night.
So I doubt vig is trying to kill at night.
Either we have two third party killing roles(if yes and this is Bs) or there is some hidden mechanic which is working over here like" if a player is visted by someone then that visiting player would die"
executioner is a possibility but then having this as well along with three killing at nights is just too damn fukn harsh on us.
Moving on to NW.
Last night NW was killed. If we look at his role then he could distract and prevent someone from taking action.
Two kills failed last night. This means one of the kill was most likely prevented by Neutral watcher.
Now after initial interaction with him, NW later on gave his reads. And to him there were two sus. Look at his post below.
He had sus on queen and marimo.
Imo NW won't block any random person. He will block whom he had strong sus on.
So if we go by his reads then there is at least one scum among queen and marimo.
I haven’t stopped sussing Final despite the unvote (which was made in advance of Kiwi’s announcement), but the TAC and Light stuff has taken precedence right now. Reborn also believes Final is scummy, but opted to vote Light as he thinks he’s a more pressing concern. I’m not sure how I feel about that; my main reason for unvoting Final was that following through would have led to him winning, and I haven’t yet been swayed to vote Light, but going back in on Final at the moment wouldn’t have much impact in the face of the majority.
As far as my reads, not sure where I stand on Rayan, feel like he hasn’t said much; Marimo feels a little scummy, I don’t care about the “new player” stipulation (and based on the number of townie deaths, the odds aren’t necessarily in his favor); I have absolutely no read on krogo, either he’s barely posted or I’m otherwise not seeing his stuff; Reborn, TAC, and Light...one of them is scum, I’m still leaning towards the third.
As far as my reads, not sure where I stand on Rayan, feel like he hasn’t said much; Marimo feels a little scummy, I don’t care about the “new player” stipulation (and based on the number of townie deaths, the odds aren’t necessarily in his favor); I have absolutely no read on krogo, either he’s barely posted or I’m otherwise not seeing his stuff; Reborn, TAC, and Light...one of them is scum, I’m still leaning towards the third.
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tac can't be mafia or indie killer, I understand it
the third killing WAS a vigilante doing, this was vigilante in kiwi's last game (AOT): Vigilante: You can choose to shoot your target, killing them. This ability has 2 usages.
No punishment for random shooting
3-4 mafia + 2 indie killers + executioner would be overkill, I agree, so we could very well have an executioner instead of the second indie killer
I don't really think tac is an executioner though lol, I think we have a survivor sided with town instead of executioner: rayan or jew d boy
I'm waiting light to see if he can convince me not to vote him
I'm also sussing Krogothwolf
also nw blocked someone whom he had strong sus on and he still got killed at night, how does that make me and marimo look bad?
the third killing WAS a vigilante doing, this was vigilante in kiwi's last game (AOT): Vigilante: You can choose to shoot your target, killing them. This ability has 2 usages.
No punishment for random shooting
3-4 mafia + 2 indie killers + executioner would be overkill, I agree, so we could very well have an executioner instead of the second indie killer
I don't really think tac is an executioner though lol, I think we have a survivor sided with town instead of executioner: rayan or jew d boy
I'm waiting light to see if he can convince me not to vote him
I'm also sussing Krogothwolf
also nw blocked someone whom he had strong sus on and he still got killed at night, how does that make me and marimo look bad?
Honestly I can't believe a vig would be shooting willy nilly. Vigs usually even in role madness games have x-shot abilities or even/odd. And even if they didn't a vig blind firing 2 nights in a row is insane.
There is a chance there's a vet type role yeah, not as common in mafia but they do exist.
@Queen I know it sounds unbalanced but a vig just shooting willy nilly is not believable.
There is a chance there's a vet type role yeah, not as common in mafia but they do exist.
@Queen I know it sounds unbalanced but a vig just shooting willy nilly is not believable.
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