[FNZ] Role Madness Round 10: Kakegurui

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Honestly I can't believe a vig would be shooting willy nilly. Vigs usually even in role madness games have x-shot abilities or even/odd. And even if they didn't a vig blind firing 2 nights in a row is insane.

There is a chance there's a vet type role yeah, not as common in mafia but they do exist.

@Queen I know it sounds unbalanced but a vig just shooting willy nilly is not believable.
I already posted it, the vigi could very well shoot willy nilly in last role madness game with same host and same coach
 
I haven’t stopped sussing Final despite the unvote (which was made in advance of Kiwi’s announcement), but the TAC and Light stuff has taken precedence right now. Reborn also believes Final is scummy, but opted to vote Light as he thinks he’s a more pressing concern. I’m not sure how I feel about that; my main reason for unvoting Final was that following through would have led to him winning, and I haven’t yet been swayed to vote Light, but going back in on Final at the moment wouldn’t have much impact in the face of the majority.

As far as my reads, not sure where I stand on Rayan, feel like he hasn’t said much; Marimo feels a little scummy, I don’t care about the “new player” stipulation (and based on the number of townie deaths, the odds aren’t necessarily in his favor); I have absolutely no read on krogo, either he’s barely posted or I’m otherwise not seeing his stuff; Reborn, TAC, and Light...one of them is scum, I’m still leaning towards the third.
I have a weird feeling on Rayan, he points out me being sus because I'm not as active but he's basically being the same way. Its a little odd for someone to point to another due to inactivity when they're trying to hide themselves with little activity.

As for Reborn, TAC and Light. My gut is on Reborn being most likely town. TACT and Light I'm not sure on. Light could be based on his own posting but I'm not sold on TAC either.

His reasoning for switching from cinera to final as his lynch target doesn't hold up to me as he could have stayed on cinera with the same reasoning but he switched from cinera to beta even though cinera still had votes on him.
 

Reborn

Throughout Heaven & Earth,I alone am d Honored One
tac can't be mafia or indie killer, I understand it
the third killing WAS a vigilante doing, this was vigilante in kiwi's last game (AOT): Vigilante: You can choose to shoot your target, killing them. This ability has 2 usages.
No punishment for random shooting
3-4 mafia + 2 indie killers + executioner would be overkill, I agree, so we could very well have an executioner instead of the second indie killer
I don't really think tac is an executioner though lol, I think we have a survivor sided with town instead of executioner: rayan or jew d boy
I'm waiting light to see if he can convince me not to vote him
I'm also sussing Krogothwolf
also nw blocked someone whom he had strong sus on and he still got killed at night, how does that make me and marimo look bad?
Vig won't kill randomly.


Not only they have limited kills but as vig is strong townie role it usually comes with punishment on misfiring. Just because kiwi didn't add punishment in last game doesn't mean she can't in this game.

And, let's assume there is no punishment then still why would vig waste his limited killing chances on first two nights in a no claim game when he has no confirmation who is scum..

Does this makes sense to you? No it doesn't.



In my game where all sorts of claiming was allowed, I made you vig. Did you shoot on First two nights? No you didn't.
 
I already posted it, the vigi could very well shoot willy nilly in last role madness game with same host and same coach
Even if he could, seeing 3 town dead and 1 mafia dead, a vig just doing that is something beyond weird play and speaks of a player who just wants to kill, he's a liability to town.
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I already posted it, the vigi could very well shoot willy nilly in last role madness game with same host and same coach
Also x-shot isn't willy nilly because punishment is he uses up his shots.
 
Vig won't kill randomly.


Not only they have limited kills but as vig is strong townie role it usually comes with punishment on misfiring. Just because kiwi didn't add punishment in last game doesn't mean she can't in this game.

And, let's assume there is no punishment then still why would vig waste his limited killing chances on first two nights in a no claim game when he has no confirmation who is scum..

Does this makes sense to you? No it doesn't.



In my game where all sorts of claiming was allowed, I made you vig. Did you shoot on First two nights? No you didn't.
it doesn't make sense, but 2 indie killers makes even less sense
 

Jew D. Boy

I Can Go Lower
I have a weird feeling on Rayan, he points out me being sus because I'm not as active but he's basically being the same way. Its a little odd for someone to point to another due to inactivity when they're trying to hide themselves with little activity.

As for Reborn, TAC and Light. My gut is on Reborn being most likely town. TACT and Light I'm not sure on. Light could be based on his own posting but I'm not sold on TAC either.

His reasoning for switching from cinera to final as his lynch target doesn't hold up to me as he could have stayed on cinera with the same reasoning but he switched from cinera to beta even though cinera still had votes on him.
To be fair, I’m relatively certain now that Final is scum, so I think switching a vote from Cin to him makes sense overall. See what you mean about Rayan, though...that kind of deflection normally means they can hide in plain sight.
 
it doesn't make sense, but 2 indie killers makes even less sense
Do you suggest a newer player being a vig and shooting at will because he can? We;ve had 3 kills 3 nights in a row so like man I don't want to believe a vig is blind firing.

There's a chance also that someone has a defense besides just roleblock/protection which wouldn't change anything.

To be fair, I’m relatively certain now that Final is scum, so I think switching a vote from Cin to him makes sense overall. See what you mean about Rayan, though...that kind of deflection normally means they can hide in plain sight.
Yeah, I'm not here to defend my inactivity and I accept the sus because of it. I've explained it and that's that. If people want to sus me or lynch me because of that I have no real defense of it and can assume the reason I'm still alive is easy to put sus on me to save them. But using the reason of my inactivity as a reason to question me and my play while they do the same thing makes me question their alignment.

Beta could be a 3rd I doubt he's full on scum though.
 

Jew D. Boy

I Can Go Lower
Do you suggest a newer player being a vig and shooting at will because he can? We;ve had 3 kills 3 nights in a row so like man I don't want to believe a vig is blind firing.

There's a chance also that someone has a defense besides just roleblock/protection which wouldn't change anything.



Yeah, I'm not here to defend my inactivity and I accept the sus because of it. I've explained it and that's that. If people want to sus me or lynch me because of that I have no real defense of it and can assume the reason I'm still alive is easy to put sus on me to save them. But using the reason of my inactivity as a reason to question me and my play while they do the same thing makes me question their alignment.

Beta could be a 3rd I doubt he's full on scum though.
If I’m gonna vote to lynch you, it’ll be based on what you DO say rather than what you DON’T :cheers:
 

Reborn

Throughout Heaven & Earth,I alone am d Honored One
it doesn't make sense, but 2 indie killers makes even less sense
Three killing roles doesn't make sense and it's fukn harsh on us because just one successful killing night and we will be reduced by 1/3 in number. That's insane.....and highly imbalanced especially for 15 players game set up.



But since we are getting kills at night and we got at other even and odd nights then there are 3 killing roles.


Now, as I said vig shooting randomly on First two nights in a no claim game is plain stupid. I don't think anyone is this dumb to shoot like this as a vig.


So there has to be some hidden mechanic working over here which is resulting into more than two kills because apart from this nothing is making sense
 
Do you suggest a newer player being a vig and shooting at will because he can? We;ve had 3 kills 3 nights in a row so like man I don't want to believe a vig is blind firing.

There's a chance also that someone has a defense besides just roleblock/protection which wouldn't change anything.



Yeah, I'm not here to defend my inactivity and I accept the sus because of it. I've explained it and that's that. If people want to sus me or lynch me because of that I have no real defense of it and can assume the reason I'm still alive is easy to put sus on me to save them. But using the reason of my inactivity as a reason to question me and my play while they do the same thing makes me question their alignment.

Beta could be a 3rd I doubt he's full on scum though.
2 nights in a row*, this is d3
the only new player in the game is marimo, no I don't think he is the vigi
I can see 1-2 users here blind firing as vigilantes
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So there has to be some hidden mechanic working over here which is resulting into more than two kills because apart from this nothing is making sense
wouldn't that be a bastard game?
 

Reborn

Throughout Heaven & Earth,I alone am d Honored One
Do you suggest a newer player being a vig and shooting at will because he can? We;ve had 3 kills 3 nights in a row so like man I don't want to believe a vig is blind firing.

There's a chance also that someone has a defense besides just roleblock/protection which wouldn't change anything.



Yeah, I'm not here to defend my inactivity and I accept the sus because of it. I've explained it and that's that. If people want to sus me or lynch me because of that I have no real defense of it and can assume the reason I'm still alive is easy to put sus on me to save them. But using the reason of my inactivity as a reason to question me and my play while they do the same thing makes me question their alignment.

Beta could be a 3rd I doubt he's full on scum though.
What you think about queen and Marimo?
 
If I’m gonna vote to lynch you, it’ll be based on what you DO say rather than what you DON’T :cheers:
That works for me.

I'm undecided on TAC and Light though, Light has been from what I've read, a bit scummy in his behavior trying the whole "If I was scum" always comes off as something a person trying to hide who they are plays. Everyone plays scum different and trying to put yourself on as scum is a bad idea because you narrow your view in a game but using that is a way to put them in sus is a weak reason to me and comes off as scummy. I don't like that.
 

Reborn

Throughout Heaven & Earth,I alone am d Honored One
2 nights in a row*, this is d3
the only new player in the game is marimo, no I don't think he is the vigi
I can see 1-2 users here blind firing as vigilantes
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wouldn't that be a bastard game?
No! Bastard game is different.

Hidden mechanic can be shaped into various forms for example "if someone targets you at night and you are on alert then that visiting person would be killed or something like that"
 
2 nights in a row*, this is d3
the only new player in the game is marimo, no I don't think he is the vigi
I can see 1-2 users here blind firing as vigilantes
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wouldn't that be a bastard game?
Sorry was a typo.

Man that scares me :(
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No! Bastard game is different.

Hidden mechanic can be shaped into various forms for example "if someone targets you at night and you are on alert then that visiting person would be killed or something like that"
The other option is a kill that kills target and visitors similar to a WW in ToS.

Either way its just something we need to be wary of. Mafia and possible TP killers.
 
No! Bastard game is different.

Hidden mechanic can be shaped into various forms for example "if someone targets you at night and you are on alert then that visiting person would be killed or something like that"
I see, like the tos veteran
so here is another question: why so many kills failing? specially when the doc is dead
 
What you think about queen and Marimo?
Queen is playing how I tend to play at times, sidetracked by mechanics. I don't recall seeing her play that in the other games I've plaed so not sure if she's just interested or actually scum trying to be active without doing much.

Marimo, no idea, I don't fault him for looking at me as sus as my actions aren't exactly great due to inactivity and late sera lynch. He is trying to be active and hunt for scum. I feel hes focused on only 3 people though but no real fault to him or his behaviour that screams scummy to me.
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I see, like the tos veteran
so here is another question: why so many kills failing? specially when the doc is dead
Doc action still goes off. Also protection.
 

Reborn

Throughout Heaven & Earth,I alone am d Honored One
I see, like the tos veteran
so here is another question: why so many kills failing? specially when the doc is dead
How would I Know?


Sorry was a typo.

Man that scares me :(
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The other option is a kill that kills target and visitors similar to a WW in ToS.

Either way its just something we need to be wary of. Mafia and possible TP killers.
Roles like ww are too powerful and can't have killing power on all nights.

Also, we have same number of kills on both nights -3. This isn't possible with roles like WW.
 

Reborn

Throughout Heaven & Earth,I alone am d Honored One
Queen is playing how I tend to play at times, sidetracked by mechanics. I don't recall seeing her play that in the other games I've plaed so not sure if she's just interested or actually scum trying to be active without doing much.
Queen meta is off.

She is good townie player and an active one.

But this game she is totally off



I have a question for you.

You said rayan is sus because he accused of being inactive while he himself being inactive. Right?


But marimo is kind of same. He even voted you. So why not putting both rayan and marimo as sus and only Rayan?
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i'm asking your opinion, if you have something in mind lol

I already told earlier that one kill failed most likely due to nw. This is most likely to happen because he could distract


Game can have more than one town protect roles. So a dead doctor doesn't mean we can't have another town protect roles.
 

Light D Lamperouge

𝖂𝖍𝖆𝖙 𝕮𝖔𝖚𝖑𝖉 𝕳𝖆𝖛𝖊 𝕭𝖊𝖊𝖓
Your argument has flaws.
It probably does since it's not some concatenation I made up but the truth.


Tac was already getting sussed on day one and on beginning of day two.
Not much from what I remember.


Scums don't kill those who are getting sussed.
Why not? Killing TAC is exactly what I would do if I were scum. He was clear that he would pursue those who opposed, even though I didn't really do that, Cinera's lynch. Keeping him alive and killing Nat would only isolate myself for him and present a big problem. Killing him however wouldn't.


Also, there was failed attempt to kill on N1 and two such fail attempts on N2
Yes, and I believe I have an idea why. And I'll explain below.

So how can we be sure that either me or jew wasn't Targeted last night? We can't.
You are right, we can't.


But tac is damn sure that you are scum.

And why you?

If tac is scum then mislynching any townie would work but why only you?


And, a scum pushing a lynch on single townie taking such huge risk of exposing himself doesn't add up. Scum can kill at night so they don't have to push someone lynch so hardly during day.

Are you following why I have vote on you?
I think I figured out why. It's because TAC isn't scum. I'll have to be as vague as possible as to not break the rules. Please read carefully and connect the dots. Not just you, but all. @TheAncientCenturion you especially.

Reborn think of who would be the over zealous idiot who would shoot someone on the first day. Are you following? I am trying not to name them, but I think you can understand.
Now, whom did our regular distractor(NW) have on his sus list after N1?
Here's his post

Scum:________________________________________________________________________________________________

TAC: He defended Finalbeta then voted Cinera. Then he unvoted Cinera. Why didn't he push the lynch when he believed Cinera was scum? What made him more sus was when he voted Finalbeta who he defended. This is similar to what he did with Lanji. He sus Lanji and didn't push the lynch and both of them were scums.

Natalija: I think she was trying too hard to frame Finalbeta. Especially when she voted Finalbeta at this post.
Seems like a post of scum who got told by his/her buddy to vote their target.

I think TAC and Natalija are scums. TAC defended Finalbeta while Natalija attacked Finalbeta. This is common strategy among scums where 1 defends the target while the other attacks the target.

Kiwipom sus me for being scum in turbo game while TAC defended me. Kiwipom and TAC were scums in that game.
Light attacked Kiwipom in turbo game while Flower defended her IIRC. Light and Flower were scums in that game.
Celestia defended Kiwipom when I questioned Kiwipom about double roles in ToS while Dragomir countered Celestia argument about the possibility of double roles. Celestia and Dragomir were scums in that game.

I also found it weird that Natalija and TAC were the first two person to vote Finalbeta.

Similar to ToS TAC voted Don Daslayer followed by Kiwipom. TAC unvoted Dondaslayer followed by Kiwipom and both of them were vampires.
And what happened on n1? One kill was stopped. Who did NW, our regular distractor, find sus the most? Who would he distract? Are you getting what I am saying?

Moving on, what happened on N2? There were two attempts at a kill that failed. NW was basically a cleared townie so the town shooter wouldn't shoot him. NW distracted either a mafia member or indie. But two kills were stopped. That would mean that the town shooter was stopped as well. Who was susing me the most Reborn? Who's the same idiot that would shoot people on the first day? Do you understand Reborn? The reason why TAC thinks I am scum is because he's tried to shoot me twice and I am still here. Once he was blocked by NW, the other time by someone else. He doesn't have anything on me, please understand why, except that I am alive. Please read everything carefully. Every word there has a purpose.



I would like to hear more from @Light D Lamperouge and @krogothwolf before giving my reads
give me your reads too
As I said above, I think TAC is a townie.

Jew is giving me a townie vibe as well. He's expressing his opinion freely, not shying away from it.

Marimo seems a bit scummy to me. He's blending in, going with the general consensus.

I voted for Krog yesterday and I still believe him to be some type of scum. Maybe mafia maybe independent party.

Queen, you've also been quite inactive. Don't know what to make of that. Post some more please, give us your reads.

FB doesn't feel like a townie after his posts today. He might not be mafia, but there's a chance he's the independent party.

Rayan's a weird one to me. Hasn't said much. He did vote for Cinera among the first ones and kept his vote later on.

Reborn's still playing like he has so far. Pushing around, asking questions, probing. I had thought he was scum when I thought TAC was one too, but now I am leaning towards him being town.
 
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