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TheAncientCenturion

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To me, when I consider the Dragonknight's portrayal, with him not only being a legendary Kingsguard in terms of skills but also literally carrying a Valyrian blade, I frankly don't know if anybody in Martin's lore would start with an outright advantage on him in a duel, like with better chances than a 50/50.
Everything we know about him is flooded with hyperbole and hero worship though. George outright said he included hearsay in the making of his maps, let alone the famous figures in his world.

The older the character is, the more salt their claims get.

the more outrageous a character is, even more salt onto their claims.
 
He managed to unseat Sir Barristen the Bold after cracking 7 lances against him in the tilt.
Dude out-jousted Barristan
I put no weight on this for a couple reasons. Tourneys are just that, nobody is playing for keeps, and Rhaegar's weapon of choice wasn't a lance. More importantly, duels are hardly respected in battle. They wouldn't have been charging at each other in a straight line.

and had something of a rivalry with Dayne.
I don't recall this bit. If I recall correctly, Barristan disabused her of his notion.

It’s very unlikely Aemon is good enough to win
I don't know about very. Aemon is a pretty legendary figure himself and wielded a Valyrian steel blade, you've got to consider he's at least in it, if not the favourite.

To me, when I consider the Dragonknight's portrayal, with him not only being a legendary Kingsguard in terms of skills but also literally carrying a Valyrian blade, I frankly don't know if anybody in Martin's lore would start with an outright advantage on him in a duel, like with better chances than a 50/50.
I'd don't we'd be having this conversation if Robert wasn't a giant of a man that swung with a warhammer with one hand.
 
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TheAncientCenturion

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I put no weight in this. Tourneys are just that, and Rhaegar's weapon of choice wasn't a lance, and neither was Robert. More importantly, duels are hardly respected in battle. They wouldn't have been charging at each other in a straight line.



I don't recall this bit. If I recall correctly, Barristan disabused her of his notion.



I don't know about very. Aemon is a pretty legendary figure himself and wielded a Valyrian steel blade, you've got to consider he's at least in it, if not the favourite.



I'd don't we'd be having this conversation if Robert wasn't a giant of a man that swung with a warhammer with one hand.
Why would he be the favorite when none of his hype is verifiable and is hearsay passed down? This is like me telling you my great great grandpa can beat prime Mike Tyson.

Valyrian steel isn’t a lightsaber so I don’t think it’s going to cut through Bobby B’s comically large war hammer.

I’m also sure why the tilt isn’t being included because it’s the perfect judge for a 1 v 1? The skills of one of the most legendary members of the Kingsguard, up there with Aemon, was unhorsed by Rhaegar. And Bobby smashed this man.
 
I see Robert winning this. I feel like he would beat every Targaryen except for Daemon Blackfyre and maybe Maegor
I think Daemon would lose without Blackfyre, but Maegar has a good chance with or without it cause of his size and ferocity. Robert's size and strength are really hard to compensate for, especially considering he kept up with Rhaegar, who was much lighter.

That said, I think Robert would've crushed it in a Trial of 7 against the Faith Militant. I don't think he would've ended up in coma, that's for damn sure.

Why would he be the favorite when none of his hype is verifiable and is hearsay passed down? This is like me telling you my great great grandpa can beat prime Mike Tyson.

Valyrian steel isn’t a lightsaber so I don’t think it’s going to cut through Bobby B’s comically large war hammer.
It's not just hearsay though is it, there is the White Book that chronicles all of his achievements, but more importantly, GRRM has been consistent in that when something is put through as misinformation, the source of that information is explicitely framed as questionable.

Aemon the Dragonknight doesn't serve the same function as Aemond One-Eye and other figures covered in the dance. Until new material suggests otherwise, we are to accept Aemon was indeed a just and heroic figure serving an unworthy king, just as Robert was indeed a great warrior whose might kept this Seven Kingdoms intact.

I’m also sure why the tilt isn’t being included because it’s the perfect judge for a 1 v 1? The skills of one of the most legendary members of the Kingsguard, up there with Aemon, was unhorsed by Rhaegar. And Bobby smashed this man.
Jousting and combat are to very different things. One is sport, the other is for keeps.

The former has rules and restrictions the latter does not.

Neither Rhaegar nor Robert used a lance in real combat, so why would their skill with a lance for sport tell you anything meaningful about a real fight?
 
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I don't remember what age Jaime was at the time of Robert's rebellion but if he hadn't hit his prime already, then Robert was probably a top 3 warrior in the land, after Arthur and Barristan. Ned even called him "peerless" and "fiercest warrior in the realm", prime Bobby B was a beast for sure. His prowess with the warhammer was fantastic. He killed the prince and other notable knights.

When I say that I have the Dragonknight winning, I mean in a tough fight obviously. But yeah I don't see how the Dragonknight isn't up there with the very best of the best. He is way too wanked in the Seven Kingdoms. The Kingsguard is already a legendary organization, famed for having the very best fighters in the realm. Little Bran wanted to become one of them, hearing the stories. And this one here is probably the most legendary knight from that organization. In virtue of both his skills and chavalry. Wielding a Valyrian blade, making him part then of another very exclusive group.

The Dragonknight was him, fellas.
 

TheAncientCenturion

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It's not just hearsay though is it, there is the White Book that chronicles all of his achievements, but more importantly, GRRM has been consistent in that when something is put through as misinformation, the source of that information is explicitely framed as questionable.
ASOIAF is built on apocryphal stories. Being recorded in the White Book does not exempt them from being false. A World of Ice and Fire goes into this (GRRM's premire lore book) and even mentions it's done by a maester for a specific king.

Everything that does not appear in text, happening before us, has some levels of falsehood in them. The further back they are—and more typically the larger the excitement is—the less true it is.

Jousting and combat are to very different things. One is sport, the other is for keeps.
It's a sport in the same way the melee is a sport. People typically get hurt and die either way.

And in a 1v1, where both are coming at each other with equal starts, neither are disadvantaged or underequipped, is closer to a joust than any war encounter like Rhaegar and Bobby B had.

It's also worth noting how everyone was surprised Rhaegar beat Barristan. Everyone. Nobody thought he'd win and IIRC Barristan was ordered to beat Rhaegar? I might be misremembering that, finer details escape me a tad.

Neither Rhaegar nor Robert used a lance in real combat, so why would their skill with a lance for sport tell you anything meaningful about a real fight?
Because it also tells you how good they were on horseback and talented they are in other weapons, where Barristan was considered a shoe in for winner of the joust as a whole before Rhaegar came in. And if Rhaegar's that good on a horseback... And lost to Bobby B on horseback...

Kinda puts things into perspective. Aemon is not dealing with scrubs but a man who put down a relative on or above Aemon himself.
 
Tbh I don't know who I'd even put above Dayne. Maybe the Others from the prologue chapter, they seemed powerful.
DAYNE IS TOP 1!! 🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥
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HERE COMES THE KING!!!

Round 2b

Robert Baratheon


VERSUS

Aemon Targaryen, “The Dragon Knight”


WHO WINS AND WHY?

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Robert slams.
 
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