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Shura

#21
Franky is too amazing sometimes and it makes everyone else look like trash which is sad

But honestly im a little sad he doesn't do some of his old jokes as much like playing guitar, random dancing, talking about how super his week is, etc.

Also i didnt really care much for his connection to the tonttatas to the point where would help them whatever luffy said. If he was gonna do that oda really should of fleshed out there bond which he really didn't
Yeah, I really got irritated with Franky regarding Tontatta issue.....he didn't ask Luffy, he demanded Luffy straight to the face which was disrespectful towards his captain....
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Luffy.....why sometimes Oda makes him act dumb even during the critical time for the sake of plot.......because of this some dumb morons making moronic statements here all the time...
 
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NeutralWatcher

#23
Absolutely agree. I really didn’t like his stance of duty over family but I think it was somewhat understandable. Choosing between being a good grandfather vs a good Marine, he chose the latter for the sake of justice. But what baffled me was when he snapped and tried to kill Akainu AFTER Akainu killed Ace. Not only was it useless at that point, he failed at both being a Marine and being a Grandfather
Imo Garp is a model in the marine. Many marines look up to him so that was why Garp didn't want to betray the marines to save his family because that will dissapoint his fellow marines so I understand his dilema.
 

Kiwipom

Ghost Princess
#24
Luffy.....why sometimes Oda makes him act dumb even during the critical time for the sake of plot.......because of this some dumb morons making moronic statements here all the time...
Agreed. I really didn’t like that Luffy’s reason for helping Rebecca was “she bought me lunch”.

:lawsigh:like come on Oda, we know Luffy is childish but stop making him like a 5 years old.
 
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#25
Yeah, I really got irritated with Franky regarding Tontatta issue.....he didn't ask Luffy, he demanded Luffy straight to the face which was disrespectful towards his captain....
Yeah cant even front that moment was just straight up bad lolOda just dropped the ball when it came to it and I cant even defend it.
Like at least make it seem like hes doing it for someone he has a true connection to but nah i guess lol


Tho at the very least i enjoyed everything else he did in dressrosa from him and luffy interacting at the start. Something they sadly dont do much. To him going against senior pink, dellinger, machvise, and vice admiral with all their goons. To finally his manly fight with senior
 
#26
The goal of this thread is to admit that even if you love a character in One Piece, he/she isn't perfect and that there is as least one thing you dislike about him/her.

I will start with my favorite admiral, Fujitora. While he's one of my very favorite marines and characters in One Piece I think he drops his guard too often and too easely as shown with him using too much his meteor technique in Dressrosa and him allowing Luffy (and possibly the Revos too) to hit him.
Luffy : His carelessness was what I loved about him pre-ts; now it's the opposite, it annoys me whenever he acts like a carefree idiot.
After Sabaody and Ace, he should be more carefull risking everyone's lives for ''selfish'' reasons.
 
#28
Sanji - I don't understand how he was planning to make it back to Zou all by himself from WCI but he really didn't have a choice but to go.

When it comes to an external situations, Oda should've given him a fight with either Oven or Daifuku (like minimum 2 chapters) would've done a lot. His feats were decent and I liked how Oda focused on his cooking. But a little fight would've brought it home. Honestly if Sanji got a fight like that, the whole arc would've been on par with sone of the greats
Sanji post ts hasn't really bothered me that much (even in WCI, yeah I know). What has been bothering me is how Sanji is a go to hypetool. The two main instances post ts being Doffy and Vergo, I think Oda wrote paticular circumstances around both of them that it doesn't make Sanji look bad but after a while it gets annoying and hopefully it stops this arc
 

TheAncientCenturion

I will never forgive Oda
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#29
Crocodile's personality is fantastic, his design and powers unique and memorable. But his motivation is pretty cartoonish. The most we can assume is that he wants revenge on Whitebeard for humiliating him, and is after Pluton for that purpose, and somewhere along the way his crew abandoned him making him not trust others. But it's all so vague and just barely hinted at as cheap justification at the end of Alabasta for Crocodile's presence there.

Really wish Oda would give us more about him.
 
#30
A complaints for each of the strawhats bar franky since i already did him
  1. Luffy: him saying he wont run from top tiers was just stoopid lol and the amount of bullshit needed for luffy to win against kata was too much. The g4 time limit is annoying half the time
  2. Zoro: sometimes boring with his whole personality feeling like his only trait is to be a badass even tho hes more than that. Also oda saves him to much because of how much he doesn't want zoro to look bad
  3. Usopp: his being a coward gag sometimes goes on way to much and it gets annoying
  4. Nami: honestly just annoyed at her getting power ups before we even know or see what she was fully capable of doing before
  5. Sanji: sometimes comes off too much as a joke character and i hate everything about the raid suit and him wearing it still
  6. Chopper: barely feels like a character in general sometimes and just feels like hes there which is depressing
  7. Robin: doesn't get enough action and barely plays a role in arc plots tho she somehow still feels like shes more there than chopper somehow
  8. Brook: he's been just improving more and more so idk i don't really have any. I guess im annoyed by the fact he became a world known superstar and its barely mentioned lol
  9. Jinbei: needs to get his fat fish ass on the damn sunny and stay
 

Garp the Fist

Bwahahahaha
#32
In defence of Garp, when Luffy was right in front of him at Marineford he did choose his family over the Marines. Although if you're saying he should have made that decision sooner than yeah I can't argue.

The complaint that most comes to mind about Zoro was his pettiness on Zou. Oda likes to use Zoro as the voice of -often blunt- reason on the crew. That's fine. So him saying that they can't afford an allout war with Big Mom while at the same time aiming at Kaido, which led to the decision to try to infiltrate instead, that all made sense. And given the failure of that infiltration has led to the Kaido and BM alliance, was basically prescient.

What I didn't like was the bit where he nonsensically blamed Sanji for the situation, when it patently wasn't his fault. About all Sanji could be criticised for was never telling the crew his past. Now sure, it wasn't pointed out that Zoro actually was worried about Sanji, but it just seemed... stupid and unnecessary.
 
#33
Okay, since everyone knows I'm a Sanji fan. I'll criticize him about something no one seems to touch on. Because most of what people touch on him is "pervertness, or not hitting lady, or not using his fists, or other famous stuff for being bashed"

For me, I never cared about those stuff. I liked him for those stuff people hated him for haha. I like that he's not using fists, not hitting a lady (I'm old school, yes come at me modern thinkers) and I love that perverted side of him. It just makes me laugh.

My issue with Sanji is actually something Zeff mentioned/hinted at.

I think the only person who may hold Sanji down is Sanji himself. There is a very fundemental difference that separates Luffy and Zoro from Sanji. And I personally believe that this type of difference is holding Sanji back, and also it does make him progress slower in terms of combat.

And that simply is that Sanji has "wavering will" while Luffy and Zoro are the type of people who have "unwavering will". During Baratie, when Luffy was facing Kreig, Zeff called it out that Luffy has no hesitation, his conviction, he has a spear of will. The same can be applied for Zoro, who faced Mihawk in that arc, and despite how weak he compared, Zoro's own conviction of not backing down despite a stab from the knife close to his heart. That type of firm conviction made Mihawk respect him and announce that he will use his sword to finish Zoro as a respect.

I personally think that Sanji's biggest flaw as a character is that his conviction and will and determination is "shaken" and not as firm as the likes of Luffy and Zoro. And I think if Sanji overcame that, and his will became "iron will" and "unwavering". The amount of progress he can do will be as FAST and as GOOD as Luffy's and Zoro in terms of combat. But personally I think this is holding him back, and it makes him on many occasions and on many fights, somehow lose will or give up or lose faster than the likes of Luffy and Zoro who are the type of "Never give up" characters

I wanted to add something that there might be a uge reason behind Sanji having "shaken will" is MAYBE his past of being bullied as a kid from his family played a part of that. And if Oda touched on the subject of Sanji developing his "will" in future and he refrence his childhood back as a reason for him "doubting" himself and always having "shaken confidence". And Sanji overcoming that. I swear, that would be a great writing. and I would applaud. But with the type of chapters we are getting lately... LOL, I doubt we will have that type of deep writing
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I really like Robin, but can she please do something?

Can she please get a fight?
Robin can do "Fufufu"
 
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RayanOO

Lazy is the way
#35
Okay, since everyone knows I'm a Sanji fan. I'll criticize him about something no one seems to touch on. Because most of what people touch on him is "pervertness, or not hitting lady, or not using his fists, or other famous stuff for being bashed"

For me, I never cared about those stuff. I liked him for those stuff people hated him for haha. I like that he's not using fists, not hitting a lady (I'm old school, yes come at me modern thinkers) and I love that perverted side of him. It just makes me laugh.

My issue with Sanji is actually something Zeff mentioned/hinted at.

I think the only person who may hold Sanji down is Sanji himself. There is a very fundemental difference that separates Luffy and Zoro from Sanji. And I personally believe that this type of difference is holding Sanji back, and also it does make him progress slower in terms of combat.

And that simply is that Sanji has "wavering will" while Luffy and Zoro are the type of people who have "unwavering will". During Baratie, when Luffy was facing Kreig, Zeff called it out that Luffy has no hesitation, his conviction, he has a spear of will. The same can be applied for Zoro, who faced Mihawk in that arc, and despite how weak he compared, Zoro's own conviction of not backing down despite a stab from the knife close to his heart. That type of firm conviction made Mihawk respect him and announce that he will use his sword to finish Zoro as a respect.

I personally think that Sanji's biggest flaw as a character is that his conviction and will and determination is "shaken" and not as firm as the likes of Luffy and Zoro. And I think if Sanji overcame that, and his will became "iron will" and "unwavering". The amount of progress he can do will be as FAST and as GOOD as Luffy's and Zoro in terms of combat. But personally I think this is holding him back, and it makes him on many occasions and on many fights, somehow lose will or give up or lose faster than the likes of Luffy and Zoro who are the type of "Never give up" characters
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Robin can do "Fufufu"
I may agree with you about that Sanj's flaw but for me having flaws is also what makes a character interesting and fleshed. For me that Sanji has less "mental" fortitude than Zoro or Luffy is not a critism I would make about how his character is written. Seeing him overcoming this weakness is great to watch/read.

When I think about critisms about him it is things that make him a less enjoyable character or him being too much quirks : pervertness post skip etc
 
#36
Okay, since everyone knows I'm a Sanji fan. I'll criticize him about something no one seems to touch on. Because most of what people touch on him is "pervertness, or not hitting lady, or not using his fists, or other famous stuff for being bashed"

For me, I never cared about those stuff. I liked him for those stuff people hated him for haha. I like that he's not using fists, not hitting a lady (I'm old school, yes come at me modern thinkers) and I love that perverted side of him. It just makes me laugh.

My issue with Sanji is actually something Zeff mentioned/hinted at.

I think the only person who may hold Sanji down is Sanji himself. There is a very fundemental difference that separates Luffy and Zoro from Sanji. And I personally believe that this type of difference is holding Sanji back, and also it does make him progress slower in terms of combat.

And that simply is that Sanji has "wavering will" while Luffy and Zoro are the type of people who have "unwavering will". During Baratie, when Luffy was facing Kreig, Zeff called it out that Luffy has no hesitation, his conviction, he has a spear of will. The same can be applied for Zoro, who faced Mihawk in that arc, and despite how weak he compared, Zoro's own conviction of not backing down despite a stab from the knife close to his heart. That type of firm conviction made Mihawk respect him and announce that he will use his sword to finish Zoro as a respect.

I personally think that Sanji's biggest flaw as a character is that his conviction and will and determination is "shaken" and not as firm as the likes of Luffy and Zoro. And I think if Sanji overcame that, and his will became "iron will" and "unwavering". The amount of progress he can do will be as FAST and as GOOD as Luffy's and Zoro in terms of combat. But personally I think this is holding him back, and it makes him on many occasions and on many fights, somehow lose will or give up or lose faster than the likes of Luffy and Zoro who are the type of "Never give up" characters

I wanted to add something that there might be a uge reason behind Sanji having "shaken will" is MAYBE his past of being bullied as a kid from his family played a part of that. And if Oda touched on the subject of Sanji developing his "will" in future and he refrence his childhood back as a reason for him "doubting" himself and always having "shaken confidence". And Sanji overcoming that. I swear, that would be a great writing. and I would applaud. But with the type of chapters we are getting lately... LOL, I doubt we will have that type of deep writing
Luffy and Zoro seems like caricatures in that sense. While I do feel like that holds him (Sanji) back it also makes him realistic. If towards the end that changes it would be a nice arc for him
 
#37
I may agree with you about that Sanj's flaw but for me having flaws is also what makes a character interesting and fleshed. For me that Sanji has less "mental" fortitude than Zoro or Luffy is not a critism I would make about how his character is written. Seeing him overcoming this weakness is great to watch/read.

When I think about critisms about him it is things that make him a less enjoyable character a him being too much : pervertness post skip etc
Oh, if you mean it "things" that makes him less enjoyable???
Wow, that's hard as fuck
honestly, I do not know of a single trait that makes me enjoy Sanji less. I guess this is why he's my number 1 fav character

shit... I've been thinking for sometime, I have no answer hahahaha
 
#38
I may agree with you about that Sanj's flaw but for me having flaws is also what makes a character interesting and fleshed. For me that Sanji has less "mental" fortitude than Zoro or Luffy is not a critism I would make about how his character is written. Seeing him overcoming this weakness is great to watch/read.

When I think about critisms about him it is things that make him a less enjoyable character or him being too much quirks : pervertness post skip etc
In that case I can't answer this question. He's too GOATed
 
#39
In that case I can't answer this question. He's too GOATed
Exactly. He's too goat for me to have something less enjoyable about him.

I guess maybe I will have to use my 2nd favorite character on the show and find a trait in him that annoys me. Which is Akainu.

I honestly hate Akainu's hat hahahaha. It looks so rediculous when matching with a suit hahahaha. Oh, and don't get me started on the pre-timeskip "Red suit" It looked shitty as fuck hahahahaha. And that flower! Jeez. his sense of fashion makes me puke haha
 
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