Anime & Manga Sbs volume 85 clarifies speed feat in Wano
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1. Name me one of sanjis opponents with kings movement or reaction speed
2. Name me one opponent sanji ever faced in the entirety of one piece that was faster than zoros opponents
M2 wasn't faster than M1
Jyubra wasn't faster than Kaku infact it was the other way around
King was league's faster than queen
Appo was faster than oven based on his reaction speed
Bigmom showed better speed feats than queen who brook blitzed (he blitzed he when she was the most nimble).
Let's go through the list
Pretimeskip sanji has reacted to nothing even close to Kuma paw air cannons.
Even underwater he was stated to be as fast as a Fishman while zoro was stated by a Fishman to be faster than a Fishman underwater
2. Name me one opponent sanji ever faced in the entirety of one piece that was faster than zoros opponents
M2 wasn't faster than M1
Jyubra wasn't faster than Kaku infact it was the other way around
King was league's faster than queen
Appo was faster than oven based on his reaction speed
Bigmom showed better speed feats than queen who brook blitzed (he blitzed he when she was the most nimble).
Let's go through the list
Pretimeskip sanji has reacted to nothing even close to Kuma paw air cannons.
Even underwater he was stated to be as fast as a Fishman while zoro was stated by a Fishman to be faster than a Fishman underwater
Yawn examples of person who already lost. If my points were headcanon they would be easy to disprove. Infact dropping a manga panel would suffice. But no all you can do is bitch and complain about something that does not exist (which would be these sanji feats) and then disprove nothing.
And sanji hasn't displayed the feats to fight any fast opponent zoro has. Can sanji blitz king? No. Argument over.
And sanji hasn't displayed the feats to fight any fast opponent zoro has. Can sanji blitz king? No. Argument over.
You can debate reaction speed, but Sanji's movement speed is undoubtedly higher.
His disappearing and having his speed confused with invisibility shows that.
The argument of Zoro having faced King and why he is faster than Sanji is very weak, throughout the fight the emphasis of speed was given to King and not to Zoro, you can argue reaction speed, movement never.
Then show the feats of him fighting faster opponents. Your Argument is like saying flash is the fastest flash because he blitzed batman yet kid flash is slower because he fought impulse another speedster and his speed feat didn't look as impressive. Hence why you are running from the argument.
None of sanjis opponents were ever as fast as zoros which means his speed only looks impressive because his opponents are SLOW
Not only will you not debunk it. You probably won't even provide the panel proving other wise.
None of sanjis opponents were ever as fast as zoros which means his speed only looks impressive because his opponents are SLOW
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Not only will you not debunk it. You probably won't even provide the panel proving other wise.
I've never talked about Sanji being faster for hitting Queen or anything like that, what makes his feats so impressive is that he disappeared under the perception of a Calamity, Queen's speed has NO relation to his perception.
Sanji's speed was confused with Invisibility.
Show me a single frame where Zoro does something similar to this.
Baroq Works doesn't count and yet it's different, perception of a Calamity with CoO confirmed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perception of Baroq Works randoms from the beginning of the manga.
Other people has already noted the part about Oda mentioning Zoro would place higher if the race is shorter. One thing I am confused about is why people seems to be trying to speed scale using Kings’ imperial udon and acting like Zoro can’t deal with laser beams’ speed (considering he already dodged Queens).
His exact words is “how can you block it, its like a laser beam” not “how can you dodge it, its like a laser beam”
I thought it was clear that Zoro is referring to to shockwave nature of the attack making it difficult to block whether than it being a speed issue as he literally dodged it here and then dodged it again at point blank range while Emma was messing with him next chapter, unless people thinks that it takes less speed to move your whole body to dodge something than to move just your arms/swords to block it.
His exact words is “how can you block it, its like a laser beam” not “how can you dodge it, its like a laser beam”
I thought it was clear that Zoro is referring to to shockwave nature of the attack making it difficult to block whether than it being a speed issue as he literally dodged it here and then dodged it again at point blank range while Emma was messing with him next chapter, unless people thinks that it takes less speed to move your whole body to dodge something than to move just your arms/swords to block it.
Other people has already noted the part about Oda mentioning Zoro would place higher if the race is shorter. One thing I am confused about is why people seems to be trying to speed scale using Kings’ imperial udon and acting like Zoro can’t deal with laser beams’ speed (considering he already dodged Queens).
His exact words is “how can you block it, its like a laser beam” not “how can you dodge it, its like a laser beam”
I thought it was clear that Zoro is referring to to shockwave nature of the attack making it difficult to block whether than it being a speed issue as he literally dodged it here and then dodged it again at point blank range while Emma was messing with him next chapter, unless people thinks that it takes less speed to move your whole body to dodge something than to move just your arms/swords to block it.
His exact words is “how can you block it, its like a laser beam” not “how can you dodge it, its like a laser beam”
I thought it was clear that Zoro is referring to to shockwave nature of the attack making it difficult to block whether than it being a speed issue as he literally dodged it here and then dodged it again at point blank range while Emma was messing with him next chapter, unless people thinks that it takes less speed to move your whole body to dodge something than to move just your arms/swords to block it.
That was a cute attempt however you are bullshitting for two reasons
1. The perception of a yonko commander is far inferior to the perception of a yonko
2. This glorious speed you talked about queen himself stated that sanji CANNOT maintain for long hence why he collapsed afterwards
3. We are relying on the perception or the lack of perception from a person known to not be perceptive (queen) and a person known to be slow (queen).
Is sanji turning himself truly invisible? No. He is simply moving so fast that if his opponent cannot perceive his movement speed then he is invisible to them. It's the same concept of moving so fast someone can't see you. Again this would have been a great feat for sanji if it were king saying he can't see sanji or that sanji is invisible to him. This would have been impressive if a incredible coO user said he can't perceive sanji. But that was not the case which means that this same feat would not work the same against opponents like luffy or zoro or yonkos etc
Yes you are spitting facts
Nah he read it fine. It goes back to the point that none of sanjis opponents ever displayed speed on the same level as the opponents zoro fights hence why sanjis speed at times looks impressive because his opponents are actually slow
1. The perception of a yonko commander is far inferior to the perception of a yonko
2. This glorious speed you talked about queen himself stated that sanji CANNOT maintain for long hence why he collapsed afterwards
3. We are relying on the perception or the lack of perception from a person known to not be perceptive (queen) and a person known to be slow (queen).
Is sanji turning himself truly invisible? No. He is simply moving so fast that if his opponent cannot perceive his movement speed then he is invisible to them. It's the same concept of moving so fast someone can't see you. Again this would have been a great feat for sanji if it were king saying he can't see sanji or that sanji is invisible to him. This would have been impressive if a incredible coO user said he can't perceive sanji. But that was not the case which means that this same feat would not work the same against opponents like luffy or zoro or yonkos etc
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Other people has already noted the part about Oda mentioning Zoro would place higher if the race is shorter. One thing I am confused about is why people seems to be trying to speed scale using Kings’ imperial udon and acting like Zoro can’t deal with laser beams’ speed (considering he already dodged Queens).
His exact words is “how can you block it, its like a laser beam” not “how can you dodge it, its like a laser beam”
I thought it was clear that Zoro is referring to to shockwave nature of the attack making it difficult to block whether than it being a speed issue as he literally dodged it here and then dodged it again at point blank range while Emma was messing with him next chapter, unless people thinks that it takes less speed to move your whole body to dodge something than to move just your arms/swords to block it.
His exact words is “how can you block it, its like a laser beam” not “how can you dodge it, its like a laser beam”
I thought it was clear that Zoro is referring to to shockwave nature of the attack making it difficult to block whether than it being a speed issue as he literally dodged it here and then dodged it again at point blank range while Emma was messing with him next chapter, unless people thinks that it takes less speed to move your whole body to dodge something than to move just your arms/swords to block it.
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Nah he read it fine. It goes back to the point that none of sanjis opponents ever displayed speed on the same level as the opponents zoro fights hence why sanjis speed at times looks impressive because his opponents are actually slow
King hasnt show that's high speed like Zoro implied this, he cannot avoid Zoro's last Hell King move, he just move faster than normal and fly around Zoro (King's special is the air fighting but Oda downplayed him and give Zoro onehit him at the end.) If King is real speed fighter he will dodge it ez like Katakuri did. And about Queen vs Sanji that Queen picked him before King knew that and took out Zoro after. btw GOD Oda did that and we happy to read. If you dont happy to read that then come back if you're happy :)))
This is a lie…
@Adam 🍎
Brook literally says Ryuma was massively faster than him im combat yet Zoro was faster than Ryuma
@BillSlipton What if i say Zoro would avtually be the fastest if he didnt get lost?
My statement above has as much credibility as the one you just made… Because we are both using head canon
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@Adam 🍎
Brook literally says Ryuma was massively faster than him im combat yet Zoro was faster than Ryuma
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@BillSlipton What if i say Zoro would avtually be the fastest if he didnt get lost?
My statement above has as much credibility as the one you just made… Because we are both using head canon
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