Anime & Manga Sbs volume 85 clarifies speed feat in Wano

ShinmenTakezo

ShinmenTakezo

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RoronoaZorro said:
You do realize that Chopper is a reindeer, right?
Walk Point is literally his default form.
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Irrelevant, his running speed could be higher in jump point for example considering the leg strength.
And that´s the point Oda was trying to make, to underline Chopper is at his best in that ranking, and that a different point does not change anything.

G2 Soru is a movement technique, you don´t run. Same for jumping techniques that provide great spurts of short movement but can´t be used for running.
 
Arondight

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BillSlipton said:
It's clear you didn't read the post. Try again and then make a new message
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???

Are you telling me you didn’t try to claim that Zoro was having trouble dealing with Queen’s laser beam’s speed and then try to use the fact that he had some trouble dealing with King’s imperial udon as support for that?


BillSlipton said:
Let's first take a look at Chopper dodging a laser attack from queen in 1014. Chopper in his best form and the 4th fastest sh just dodged a beam from queen barely.

Comparing this to zoro literally being drawn to have awkwardly avoided being hit by queens laser here
http://imgur.com/5EhiPqm

Along with zoro saying Tempura udon attack is "like a laser beam" here. Look at zoro in both panels. He's in the same position.
http://imgur.com/ni71uLe

This all canonically makes sense if choppers faster than zoro. And according to an sbs he is. Now I normally wouldn't place choppers speed above zoros either but we can't ignore the portrayal and direct words from the author. Zoro is allowed to be surpassed in some aspects by other strawhats besides luffy.
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You are literally claiming that Chopper is “portrayed” as faster than Zoro because Zoro how dodged Queen’s laser beam “awkwardly” and then trying to use Zoro having some issue with King’s imperial udon as support that he had issues with Queen’s laser beam speed. Please enlighten me on how I am reading this wrong.

All I was pointing out is that it makes no sense to use Zoro’s issue with King’s imperial udon as any kind of speed indicator, Zoro didn’t have issue with it due to the speed of the attack but due to the nature of the attack making it hard to block.
 
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RoronoaZorro

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There are some things I would like to say.

1. Movement speed? Attack speed?

I think some people have different intrepetation about this (duh?). A lot of Zoro's speed feats are him blitzing people. While this is a testament to his movement speed, this is more about his power/strength. These blitzes are mostly included in an attack. Which is why I consider Zoro's burst as attack speed feat, not movement speed feat.

Let's have Pica situation for example. Why Zoro needs to be thrown? Added power? Sure. Because he can't fly? Sure. But if Zoro movement speed is as good as G2, he would have run himself.

Let's say it is Zoro who sneak attacks Oven. Can he damage him in split second? For sure. But thats part of his ATTACK speed. Just like most of his blitzes, Zoro will reveal himself near the victim. Can he run back as fast as his attack go, so anyone wont ever notice his presence? Doubtful, right? But G2 can. Now that's MOVEMENT speed.

2. Sanji and Blitzing

Sanji can't blitz opponents like Zoro did? First of all, Sanji's fighting style is him connecting his kicks to enemy. Secondly, it's Zoro's fighting style to attack an opponent, then shows up behind them. Some of Zoro's attacks are like this, but because Sanji doesn't do the same (kicks then appear behind opponent), it doesnt mean Sanji is slower/cant blitz.

In fact, Oven situation is a good example.
Zoro can attack an opponent so fast, they can't react and he appears behind them.
Sanji can attack an opponent so fast, they can't react and he can move back to his starting position.
All happens in the same splitsecond.

If Oda/Sanji wants, he can make Sanji attacks an opponent and always make him appears behind/return to his previous position everytime. But he wont because it is not necessary.

3. True movement speed

I think the real meaning of movement speed is one's ability to go to point A to point B, or how fast one can go to cover a distance.

Distance is the key point here. Sure, we can say Zoro can blitz faster than any SH. But most of them so far are part of an attack and only cover very short distance. Can Zoro move so fast he outrun Chopper getting from outskirts of an island to the center? Probably yes, probably not.

This is why Oda implies different "results" in that SBS and make Brook & Chopper faster than him. In blitzing, he is the fastest, in marathon, no.
 
T.D.A

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#45
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BillSlipton said:
In the SBS One Piece column volume 85, a reader asked, "Who is the fastest Straw Hat crew in a 50-meter race?" Oda answered by giving the reader an order from fastest to slowest.
  1. Brook
  2. Sanji
  3. Luffy
  4. Chopper
  5. Zoro
  6. Usopp
  7. Nami
  8. Robin
  9. Franky
This goes to show just how impressive sanjis speed is. Let's first take a look at Chopper dodging a laser attack from queen in 1014. Chopper in his best form and the 4th fastest sh just dodged a beam from queen barely.

Comparing this to zoro literally being drawn to have awkwardly avoided being hit by queens laser here
http://imgur.com/5EhiPqm

Along with zoro saying Tempura udon attack is "like a laser beam" here. Look at zoro in both panels. He's in the same position.
http://imgur.com/ni71uLe

This all canonically makes sense if choppers faster than zoro. And according to an sbs he is. Now I normally wouldn't place choppers speed above zoros either but we can't ignore the portrayal and direct words from the author. Zoro is allowed to be surpassed in some aspects by other strawhats besides luffy.

Compare all this to sanji dodging a barrage of beams with a smile on his face
http://imgur.com/JZCGYst

Knowing all of this and then sanjis new speed post awakening along with ifrit making him even faster than just invisible.

Sanjis fuckin broken right now
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Zoro's faster at shorter distances.
 
Shanal

Shanal

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I have never seen anything more desperate on this entire forum than Sanji fans acting like Zoro struggled to dodge Queen's beams just because he side jumped instead of upward lol

Maybe the King beak bending was more pathetic, but I always thought that was trolling. This is just sad.

RoronoaZorro said:
There are some things I would like to say.



1. Movement speed? Attack speed?



I think some people have different intrepetation about this (duh?). A lot of Zoro's speed feats are him blitzing people. While this is a testament to his movement speed, this is more about his power/strength. These blitzes are mostly included in an attack. Which is why I consider Zoro's burst as attack speed feat, not movement speed feat.



Let's have Pica situation for example. Why Zoro needs to be thrown? Added power? Sure. Because he can't fly? Sure. But if Zoro movement speed is as good as G2, he would have run himself.



Let's say it is Zoro who sneak attacks Oven. Can he damage him in split second? For sure. But thats part of his ATTACK speed. Just like most of his blitzes, Zoro will reveal himself near the victim. Can he run back as fast as his attack go, so anyone wont ever notice his presence? Doubtful, right? But G2 can. Now that's MOVEMENT speed.



2. Sanji and Blitzing



Sanji can't blitz opponents like Zoro did? First of all, Sanji's fighting style is him connecting his kicks to enemy. Secondly, it's Zoro's fighting style to attack an opponent, then shows up behind them. Some of Zoro's attacks are like this, but because Sanji doesn't do the same (kicks then appear behind opponent), it doesnt mean Sanji is slower/cant blitz.



In fact, Oven situation is a good example.

Zoro can attack an opponent so fast, they can't react and he appears behind them.

Sanji can attack an opponent so fast, they can't react and he can move back to his starting position.

All happens in the same splitsecond.



If Oda/Sanji wants, he can make Sanji attacks an opponent and always make him appears behind/return to his previous position everytime. But he wont because it is not necessary.



3. True movement speed



I think the real meaning of movement speed is one's ability to go to point A to point B, or how fast one can go to cover a distance.



Distance is the key point here. Sure, we can say Zoro can blitz faster than any SH. But most of them so far are part of an attack and only cover very short distance. Can Zoro move so fast he outrun Chopper getting from outskirts of an island to the center? Probably yes, probably not.



This is why Oda implies different "results" in that SBS and make Brook & Chopper faster than him. In blitzing, he is the fastest, in marathon, no.
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Zoro needed to be thrown because you need to horizontally bisect Pica and send his upper half in air to do binary search before he hits the ground. That was, like, the entire point of that chapter, how'd you not notice lol... That's not to say Zoro has good movement speed. I think he's bad at it, too.

No one said Sanji can't blitz. It's just that Zoro's attack speed is faster and he has blitzed significantly faster opponents than Sanji has.

Adam 🍎 said:
But... 50 meters is short distance?
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He got lost and still ended up 5th. Distance is only relevant because he gets lost in 50m dash.

It's confirmed via that SBS that Zoro would, at least, be above Chopper in movement speed, because he would "rank higher" if he didn't get lost. Could be more.
 
Adam 🍎

Adam 🍎

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Shanal said:
I have never seen anything more desperate on this entire forum than Sanji fans acting like Zoro struggled to dodge Queen's beams just because he side jumped instead of upward lol

Maybe the King beak bending was more pathetic, but I always thought that was trolling. This is just sad.


Zoro needed to be thrown because you need to horizontally bisect Pica and send his upper half in air to do binary search before he hits the ground. That was, like, the entire point of that chapter, how'd you not notice lol... That's not to say Zoro has good movement speed. I think he's bad at it, too.

No one said Sanji can't blitz. It's just that Zoro's attack speed is faster and he has blitzed significantly faster opponents than Sanji has.


He got lost and still ended up 5th. Distance is only relevant because he gets lost in 50m dash.

It's confirmed via that SBS that Zoro would, at least, be above Chopper in movement speed, because he would "rank higher" if he didn't get lost. Could be more.
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Ofc he is faster than scrub chopper. No one says he isnt
 
RoronoaZorro

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A friendly notice for Sanji fans, Sanji's thing/theme (something he is best at compared to everyone else) is cooking + him being agile. Movement speed is only part of it.

When people say Zoro is faster, they dont mean to overshadow what Sanji supposedly good at. We know Oda would rather not undermine one SH's advantage to others. Don't take "Zoro is faster" as an insult/trashing. Now, "Zoro is more agile than Sanji", that's wrong and is an insult. If there is some thing Sanji better at than Zoro, that's agility based stuff, like swimming, flying, air maneuvering.
 
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